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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Ferbr1 (talk | contribs)at13:28, 23 July 2010. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.
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    While argentinians claim the invention of this simple grilled chorizo french bread sandwich[1], this is an ancestral meal eaten by the Roman empire for over 2000 years.[2][3]

    The conquerors, introduced bread and chorizo into the Americas from the iberian peninsula[4], in where its consumption is supposed to be a millenarian tradition[5] in all ways you could imagine.[6] [7][8][9][10][11][12][13] In Spain, there is a different recipe for making chorizos in every province, and only in one village, they gave 12.000 chorizo sandwiches away in the chorizo festivity.[14] The merits of the claim are based around the argentinian neologism[15] used in the acronym choripan and in claiming that chorizos are made in a different way (beef+pork) even though they are still called chorizos and they make them in different ways (pork)[16] too.[17][18] In Spain, , this sandwich is called bocadillo/bocata de chorizo asado.[19][20][21][22] On the other hand, theres also argentinian chorizos made like the spanish fresh chorizos for grilling 100 per cent made with pork[23], just like in Spain.[24] Furthermore, they even claim that real choripanes are made with 100% pork chorizos.[25] One of the references in the article supposed to be valuable claims that an argentinian invention is succeding in Israel, but its also been said that the chorizo used in there is not the same used in Argentina[26] due to the restriction of the arabs for the pork. In the argentinian television, they call it bread with chorizo.[27]just how they call it in Spain.[28] In Argentina, before 1940, it wasnt called choripan.[29]

    Being all said so controversial, this article needs to be revised by neutral users. Rafax (talk) 00:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    You do not use references correctly. For example, you say: "this [the simple grilled chorizo french bread sandwich] is an ancestral meal eaten by the Roman empire for over 2000 years", but in here never says that the Roman Empire ate chorizo sandwiches, and in this source neither... You say: "In Argentina, before 1940, it wasnt called choripan", but, this source is not a Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, and gramaticalemnte is badly written. You say, "Being all said so controversial", but, in the real world, where is the controversy? In the real world, the reliable sources say: "Argentine invention is raging in Tel Aviv"; "The origin of choripan is the Rio de la Plata"; "traditional argentinian choripan"; "the choripán is the faithful representative of the fast food Argentina"; "The choripan is Buenos Aires", etc. etc. etc... Ferbr1 (talk) 12:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You didn't invent french bread and didnt invent chorizo either, where is the invention then. The Roman empire were lovers of chorizo and bread, they used to grill them and eat them with bread in grills they had on the streets and in taverns. In Spain, where choripán is called bocadillo/bocata de chorizo asado, is a meal we have been eating for over centuries in our grills or barbecues. References claiming that french bread and chorizo is an argentinian invention coming from argentinian sources should never be taken seriously. Here is one of the few places that are having good fun about this Argentinian invention in the XIX century. Rafax (talk) Sounds as if England claimed the invention of beer just because they brew it differently than in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. 12:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Ok, but I have reliable sources, and sources say what they say. Your opinion are not over the sources. This afirmation: "References claiming that french bread and chorizo is an argentinian invention should never be taken seriously", is a fallacy called Reductio ad Hitlerum, and this afirmation: "The Roman empire were lovers of chorizo and bread, they used to grill them and eat them with bread in grills they had on the streets and in taverns", is a fallacy called Anecdotal evidence

    Additionally, I hereby inform you that this webpage is a blog, and here, in Wikipedia, you do not use blogs... Ferbr1 (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    References

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  • ^ http://www.asi-sea.com/group/groupcarmenyolanda/forum/topics/con-ustedesel-choripan
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  • ^ http://saberesysabores.com.ar/inventos.htm

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