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==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles#Proposal to formally allow removals of unnecessary RR and MR values in various Korean-related templates|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § Proposal to formally allow removals of unnecessary RR and MR values in various Korean-related templates]]== |
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[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|25px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles#Proposal to formally allow removals of unnecessary RR and MR values in various Korean-related templates|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § Proposal to formally allow removals of unnecessary RR and MR values in various Korean-related templates]]. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.186|172.56.232.186]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.186|talk]]) 02:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] --> |
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== Hangul and/or ko.wp for [[Lee Gap-seong]]? == |
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Hi all, |
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Two articles currently (9 am UTC) link to this en.wp redlink |
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* [[Cabinet of Rhee Syng-man]] |
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* [[List of members of the National Assembly (South Korea), 1950–1954]] |
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The "Lee" suggests that that person's family name is [[Lee (Korean surname)]]. |
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A note in a [[Yonhap News Agency]] reference (in French) of 23 May 2023 [https://fr.yna.co.kr/view/ACK20230314000200881 here] suggests the [[hanja]] for this person is "李甲成", who was born 1889 - died 1981. |
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Your opinions and advice about this? |
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[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 🦘 11:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't really understand what your question is; can you rephrase? [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 11:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Kim Ju-ae#Requested move 26 February 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Kim Ju-ae#Requested move 26 February 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Vanderwaalforces|Vanderwaalforces]] ([[User talk:Vanderwaalforces|talk]]) 11:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:United Kingdom–Korea Treaty of 1883#Requested move 27 February 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:United Kingdom–Korea Treaty of 1883#Requested move 27 February 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Vanderwaalforces|Vanderwaalforces]] ([[User talk:Vanderwaalforces|talk]]) 16:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Lisa (South Korean singer)#Requested move 28 February 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Lisa (South Korean singer)#Requested move 28 February 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Vanderwaalforces|Vanderwaalforces]] ([[User talk:Vanderwaalforces|talk]]) 18:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== AWB reference edits == |
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You may have noticed I've been using [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser]] to edit the formatting of references on thousands of Korea-related articles. I wrote a custom find+replace script to do this. |
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Scope: |
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* Author names |
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** Removes some spurious first/last names (dates/timestamps in names, or the names of newspapers instead of people) |
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** Splits entire Hangul names squeezed into the <code>last=</code> into <code>last=... |first=</code> |
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*** Currently when the entire name is squeezed into <code>author=</code>, I leave this alone. |
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** Removes the term『기자』("reporter") from first/last/author params. |
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* Publication names |
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** Fixes some typos or spelling variations |
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** Links to Wikipedia article if it exists |
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** Currently includes many Korean publications, publishers, and organizations (government and private), as well as major Japanese newspapers |
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* Titles of articles |
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** Removes some unnecessary artifacts in titles, namely repeating the name of the publication. |
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* Language tag: fixes <code>language=kr</code> to <code>language=ko</code>. "KR" corresponds to [[Kanuri language]], not Korean. |
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Sorry for editing some pages several times with this script; I'm still actively developing it (I tweak the script every few pages basically), so it's changed greatly since I first started running it. |
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Please let me know ASAP if you disagree with any edits or spot any mistakes. I tried to make the features uncontroversial. While AWB is semi-automatic (I look at and manually approve every edit), I may still occasionally overlook things. I've gone back and manually fixed things when I misclicked. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 03:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Also, if you'd like to request that I run the script on any page/pages, please let me know. I may not get to running this on every single Korea-related page (I currently discover the pages by recursively searching categories), but I try to prioritize major pages first. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 03:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Toobigtokale|Toobigtokale]] Almost a week since you started this your [[WP:COSMETICBOT]]/[[WP:MEATBOT]] edits via AWB, will this ever be completed as I see no end to this given that instead of running once per articles, you have been running your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT twice on certain articles (to cherrypick few examples out of more than 100: [[Red Velvet (group)|Red Velvet]], [[Pentagon (South Korean band)|Pentagon]], [[Shinee]], [[Nam Ji-hyun (actress, born 1990)|Nam Ji-hyun]], [[Park Gyu-ri]]) and even ridiculously 5 times on [[Ok Taec-yeon]]. Clearly doing a fuzzy search category by category is not working. In addition, I also noted that you have been adding additional rule to your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT instead of having a clear fixed scope which should have been the case prior to starting the first edit. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 19:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Appreciate the feedback. You're definitely right that there is a scope creep problem; I've been getting greedy with fixing more and more things over time. It does need to stop at some point; I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest. Maybe I'll rerun it periodically on new articles, but that's it. |
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:::While some of these changes are purely cosmetic, linking Wikipedia articles for publication names (which was my original purpose before scope creep) I'd argue is helpful. I started doing this because I've had several different discussions on Wiki where someone questioned the reliability of a major South Korean newspaper because they didn't recognize it; I'm hoping this contributes to transparency when people look at sources. Furthermore, I've also noticed several cases where unreliable sources are frequently being used on Wikipedia that are harder to spot (particularly [[OhmyNews]]). And for controversial topics I think having the links handy for easily scrutinizing sources is nice. |
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:::Again, I'll start dialing it back. Thanks for calling me out; I don't want to be disruptive, only helpful. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 19:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::@[[User:Toobigtokale|Toobigtokale]] Thanks for the speedy reply. May I have an estimated timeline when "{{tq| I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest}}" would be completed, end of this week i.e. 10 March 2024. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Yeah I think 10 March 2024 is reasonable. I'll start looking into getting that running. There's around 50k articles in WPK, so I'll need a few days to get through that stack probably. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::@[[User:Toobigtokale|Toobigtokale]] Noted, thanks you! '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 19:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Toobigtokale|Toobigtokale]], you really did great. Happy editing!<span id="98Tigerius:1709181452723:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Korea" class="FTTCmt"> — <span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid black">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>98</b></span>]][[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</b></span>]]</span> 04:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</span> |
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:FYI, this may be helpful: |
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:* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%28last%7Cfirst%7Cauthor%29%5B0-9%5D%3F%5B0-9%5D%3F%3D%EA%B8%B0%EC%9E%90%2F&title=Special%3ASearch insource:/(last|first|author)[0-9]?[0-9]?=기자/] returns 303 results as of this writing. |
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:** adding <code>[^\|\}]*</code> right before 기자 would return more results, but this throws a timeout error. |
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:Also, you may want to look for the string 뉴스 in the <code>|last=</code>, <code>|first=</code>, or <code>|author=</code> parameter. Simply replace 기자 with 뉴스 in the regex above. |
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:I found some erroneous changes: |
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:* <code>|last=뉴 |first=스1</code> (currently in [[Park Jeong-ja (actress)]] and [[Park Shin-hye]]) |
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:* <code>|last=뉴 |first=스 |first=JTBC</code> (currently in [[Kim Dong-young (actor)]]) |
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:* <code>|last=뉴 |first=스,SBS연예뉴스|first=SBS</code> (currently in [[Goo Hara]]) |
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:[[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.225|172.56.232.225]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.225|talk]]) 15:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, will take a look soon. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 20:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::I think I got almost all of both cases. Please let me know if you get more ideas for things to fix. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 07:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There are cases like <code>|first=성규환 부산닷컴 기자</code> (in [[2019 MBC Entertainment Awards]]) and <code>|last=스타뉴스</code> (in [[Volume Up (EP)]]), but a regex search using <code>[^\|\}]*</code> or <code>[^\|\}]+</code> throws a timeout error. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.215|172.56.232.215]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.215|talk]]) 17:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I found two erroneous changes: |
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:::* <code>|last=기 |first=호일보</code> (in [[Bundang]]) |
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:::* <code>|last=뉴 |first=스엔</code> (in [[Lee Jin-wook]]) |
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:::Also, this is quite interesting: |
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:::* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%28last%7Cfirst%7Cauthor%29%5B0-9%5D%3F%5B0-9%5D%3F%3D%EC%9E%AC%EB%B0%B0%ED%8F%AC%2F&title=Special%3ASearch insource:/(last|first|author)[0-9]?[0-9]?=재배포/] |
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:::[[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.215|172.56.232.215]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.215|talk]]) 17:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The 성규환 example is an interesting one; I've seen its format around but haven't yet taken a deep look at it yet. It follows this pattern of <code>|last=[some email address] |first=[name and usually some misc text]</code>. I have to think through how to write a regex for it. I've noticed it maybe 10-20 times over all of my edits. If you can help me with writing a regex for it I'd appreciate it; otherwise I may get to it later, as it's a little infrequent. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 03:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::A regex search like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%28last%7Cfirst%7Cauthor%29%5B0-9%5D%3F%5B0-9%5D%3F%3D%5B%5E%5C%7C%5C%7D%5D*%EA%B8%B0%EC%9E%90%2F&title=Special%3ASearch insource:/(last|first|author)[0-9]?[0-9]?=[^\|\}]*기자/] ''should'' work, but MediaWiki throws a timeout error. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.215|172.56.232.215]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.215|talk]]) 20:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Paper9oll|Paper9oll]], @[[User:Remsense|Remsense]] and others, I've finished a bit ahead of schedule. There are actually around 33k articles on WPK, although my script only made changes on around half of them (many are too small or uncited). I still kept making additions while running the script, so some earlier pages (alphabetically sorted) don't have my later ones, but those are mostly cosmetic or minor changes. But I'll wait at least a year (lmk if I should wait longer) until I rerun this on any significant scale. |
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:You may see me still running AWB, although I'll either be: |
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:# Running it for a different primary purpose, although this script's features are general so I may still run it anyway |
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:# Running it for a new page or a page that's since changed significantly |
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:Future: |
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:* Fixing mistakes. I'll be looking out for them, but if you ever spot any, please ping me and I'll be happy to fix it. |
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:** One particular culprit is mixing up [[The Korea Times]] vs. [[The Korea Times (Los Angeles)]]. I may run through "what links here" articles for both of these and fix everything up in near future. |
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:* There's still some unrelated AWB tasks for Korea-related pages that could be run. For example, as Remsense pointed out here ([[User talk:Toobigtokale#AWB to tag CJK text]]) automatically wrapping Korean text, perhaps by using [[Template:Korean]] (benefits of this explained on template page). However, to my understanding the impact of this is minor; won't make a significant impact on how almost all users will see pages. |
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:** I'm unlikely to do large-scale edits like this in the near future though. |
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:Thanks for the feedback all. Hopefully these changes are helpful. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 02:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Also to the IP user; I really think you should just make an account. I see you've been manually making dozens of changes that'd be easy to do with AWB, and AWB requires an account with adequate reputation. You'd be great with the program. You wouldn't have to stick with your account long term; just gain enough reputation to earn AWB privileges (I'm happy to vouch for you) and just use the account for AWB. |
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:My understanding of [[WP:SOCKPUPPET]] tells me that if you want to edit on controversial topics, you're free to log out of your account and do so. As long as you're constructive while logged out and do not pretend to be multiple people to create the illusion of consensus, that wouldn't be considered sockpuppeting. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 02:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, I originally didn't plan (and still am not planning) to stay here long. I appreciate your recommendation, but still not sure about that. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.215|172.56.232.215]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.215|talk]]) 07:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Page moves by Spacestationtrustfund == |
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I recently noticed that Spacestationtrustfund [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=move&user=Spacestationtrustfund&limit=200 moved lots of pages] in 2022. Since article titles are supposed to follow whatever is common in English, it looks like these moves need to be reviewed. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.232.225|172.56.232.225]] ([[User talk:172.56.232.225|talk]]) 15:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Park Chanyeol#Requested move 1 March 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Park Chanyeol#Requested move 1 March 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid black">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>98</b></span>]][[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</b></span>]]</span> 08:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Yoo Hae-jin#Requested move 25 February 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Yoo Hae-jin#Requested move 25 February 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 14:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Encyclopedia of Korean Culture == |
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When you plug [[Encyclopedia of Korean Culture]] links into VisualEditor's automatic citation generator, you should now get more fleshed out references. I wrote a script last year for this, and it's finally been merged into Wikipedia. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 11:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks! [[User:00101984hjw|00101984hjw]] ([[User talk:00101984hjw|talk]]) 19:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Lisa (South Korean singer)#Requested move 28 February 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Lisa (South Korean singer)#Requested move 28 February 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User_talk:Asukite|<span style="color:Purple;font-size:medium;font-family:Bradley Hand ITC"> ASUKITE</span>]] 15:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Oh Se-hun#Requested move 8 March 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Oh Se-hun#Requested move 8 March 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid black">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>98</b></span>]][[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</b></span>]]</span> 17:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC) |
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==Requested move at [[Talk:List of Korean films of 1919–1948]]== |
==Requested move at [[Talk:List of Korean films of 1919–1948]]== |
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== Expand translate == |
== Expand translate == |
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I've become a little skeptical of using and encouraging the use of [[Template:Expand Korean]] and similar. |
I've become a little skeptical of using and encouraging the use of [[Template:Expand Korean]] and similar. At the moment, many articles on it have a systemic issue with poor sourcing; possibly influenced by [[Namuwiki]]. I think it can be nice to look at for ideas or book/source recommendations, but encouraging people to translate it I think may create some work for us in sourcing and fact checking. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 06:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I tell my students to find references for uncited content before translating. Overall I don't see a problem - if someone translates unreferenced content we feel is iffy, it can be removed per [[WP:V]]. But ''some'' content there is well referenced. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 22:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
:I tell my students to find references for uncited content before translating. Overall I don't see a problem - if someone translates unreferenced content we feel is iffy, it can be removed per [[WP:V]]. But ''some'' content there is well referenced. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 22:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Definitely sympathetic to your points; wanted to record my doubt for others to see, as well as to spark any discourse. I will say most people won't be as careful/nuanced as you are with your instructions to your students. As we speak I'm on the front lines of cleaning up a lot of unsourced information that was often ported over from the kowiki 😅. It's a lot of work that I'd rather people didn't create more of. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 23:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
::Definitely sympathetic to your points; wanted to record my doubt for others to see, as well as to spark any discourse. I will say most people won't be as careful/nuanced as you are with your instructions to your students. As we speak I'm on the front lines of cleaning up a lot of unsourced information that was often ported over from the kowiki 😅. It's a lot of work that I'd rather people didn't create more of. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 23:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Frankly, I am more concerned about improperly referenced content. I fear many people - including my students - are adding references that do not fully back up the text they are attached too. Cleaning up unreferenced content is only the tip of the iceberg :( Frankly, after 20 years here, I believe that unless the article is GA+ or has been written primarily by an experienced trustworthy editor, much of the content that appears referenced probably isn't :( <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
:::Frankly, I am more concerned about improperly referenced content. I fear many people - including my students - are adding references that do not fully back up the text they are attached too. Cleaning up unreferenced content is only the tip of the iceberg :( Frankly, after 20 years here, I believe that unless the article is GA+ or has been written primarily by an experienced trustworthy editor, much of the content that appears referenced probably isn't :( <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:East Asian Gothic typeface#Requested move 27 March 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:East Asian Gothic typeface#Requested move 27 March 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 19:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Korean monarch names in infoboxes == |
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Does anyone know about this? I don't have much background in pre-modern Korean history. If there's consensus that this is unusual, I may propose going through using [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser]] to automatically redo every infobox to remove this kind of pattern. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 07:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) |
Does anyone know about this? I don't have much background in pre-modern Korean history. If there's consensus that this is unusual, I may propose going through using [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser]] to automatically redo every infobox to remove this kind of pattern. [[User:Toobigtokale|toobigtokale]] ([[User talk:Toobigtokale|talk]]) 07:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Liancourt Rocks#Requested move 7 April 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Liancourt Rocks#Requested move 7 April 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 13:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Liberal Unification Party#Requested move 12 March 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Liberal Unification Party#Requested move 12 March 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:RodRabelo7|RodRabelo7]] ([[User talk:RodRabelo7|talk]]) 23:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Dare to Love Me (TV series)#Requested move 17 April 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Dare to Love Me (TV series)#Requested move 17 April 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid black">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>98</b></span>]][[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7"><b>𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</b></span>]]</span> 08:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Rewrote [[March 1st Movement]] == |
== Rewrote [[March 1st Movement]] == |
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I'm a month or two late for the holiday, but rewrote this article |
I'm a month or two late for the holiday, but rewrote this article. If anyone can upload more photos of the event, particularly ones good for the infobox, that'd be appreciated (I can't as an IP user). [[Special:Contributions/104.232.119.107|104.232.119.107]] ([[User talk:104.232.119.107|talk]]) 06:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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==Invitation to the 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest== |
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:::::I agree with this. I saw that Nemo has been adding [[:Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2018]] and what not to various articles and I don't think its a good idea. I think a better way to organize this would be simply adding the tour articles itself to [[:Category:Concert tours of Europe]], not the articles of the artists. <span style="background:deepskyblue;padding:0.5px 10px;font-size:14px">[[User:Nkon21|<span style="color:azure">ɴᴋᴏɴ21</span>]] <span style="color:navy;letter-spacing:-2px">❯❯❯</span> [[User talk:Nkon21|<span style="color:#E4E4E2">talk</span>]]</span> 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
:::::I agree with this. I saw that Nemo has been adding [[:Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2018]] and what not to various articles and I don't think its a good idea. I think a better way to organize this would be simply adding the tour articles itself to [[:Category:Concert tours of Europe]], not the articles of the artists. <span style="background:deepskyblue;padding:0.5px 10px;font-size:14px">[[User:Nkon21|<span style="color:azure">ɴᴋᴏɴ21</span>]] <span style="color:navy;letter-spacing:-2px">❯❯❯</span> [[User talk:Nkon21|<span style="color:#E4E4E2">talk</span>]]</span> 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Adding to it that those recently created cats are [[WP:OVERCAT]] and falls under [[WP:OCYEAR]] and [[WP:OVERLAPCAT]]. '''<span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid #FFF8E7;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7">98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</span>]] • [[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7">[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]</span>]]</span>''' 20:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
::::::Adding to it that those recently created cats are [[WP:OVERCAT]] and falls under [[WP:OCYEAR]] and [[WP:OVERLAPCAT]]. '''<span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid #FFF8E7;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7">98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</span>]] • [[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7">[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]</span>]]</span>''' 20:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::[[WP:BRD]] is clearly not aheld to, you [[WP:BOLD]] ahead and was evidently reverted earlier on BLP articles, and now you discuss instead of [[WP:DISRUPTSIGNS|disruptively bolding |
:::::::[[WP:BRD]] is clearly not aheld to, you [[WP:BOLD]] ahead and was evidently reverted earlier on BLP articles, and now you discuss instead of [[WP:DISRUPTSIGNS|disruptively bolding ahead again to illustrate a point]]. I also don't see any consensus for re-bolding. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 01:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::These categories have been nominated for deletion at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 21#Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists]]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 01:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Help request == |
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[[Mental health in South Korea]] is in significant need of expansion. I just gave it a revision to combine redundant info and regroup/reorder topics, but it's still relatively sparse. If you can help out, please do. [[Special:Contributions/104.232.119.107|104.232.119.107]] ([[User talk:104.232.119.107|talk]]) 05:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== [https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/culture/2024/05/135_375435.html Culture ministry to update Wikipedia entries on Korea, enhance national image with AI] == |
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We'll see what happens, I guess. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Agreed... I hope they consulted the Wikimedia Foundation about this and understand Wikipedia's editing policies well. [[Special:Contributions/104.232.119.107|104.232.119.107]] ([[User talk:104.232.119.107|talk]]) 07:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Is K-Pop a music genre? == |
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Due to my [[Special:Contributions/Tonkarooson|edits]] on quite a lot of articles of [[K-pop|K-Pop]] songs being removed most of them saying K-Pop isn't a genre. I believe it is and I want to provide a consensus across [[Wikipedia]] if it is. |
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From what I know, the first known open discussion about this is made by me at [[Talk:K-pop#Is K-Pop a music genre?]] and one at [[Talk:Ddu-Du Ddu-Du#K-Pop as a genre|Talk:Ddu-du Ddu-Du#Is K-Pop a music genre?]] |
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If this discussion gets too big, maybe it could it a WikiProject if it works like that too. —[[User:Tonkarooson|Tonkarooson]] ([[User talk:Tonkarooson|talk]]) 00:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Missing infobox cleanup tool (category) for Korean articles? == |
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Anyone has any idea why we are missing the following tool for Korea - linking Chinese here as examples of functionality that (and many other projects) have: [[:Category:China articles without infoboxes]] . |
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There is no [[:Category:Korea articles without infoboxes]] :( <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Hanyangprofessor2|Piotrus at Hanyang]]|[[User talk:Hanyangprofessor2|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 03:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Wife ((G)I-dle song)#Requested move 30 May 2024]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Wife ((G)I-dle song)#Requested move 30 May 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. '''<span style="background:#FFBE98;border:1px solid #FFF8E7;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7">98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</span>]] • [[User talk:98Tigerius|<span style="color:#FFF8E7">[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]</span>]]</span>''' 04:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Excessive info about wars in place articles == |
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A quote from [https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/culture/2024/05/135_375435.html the article about the SK government and Wikipedia] has made me think recently. {{Tq|When searching for Korea-related information on travel information platforms, one often encounters topics such as the demilitarized zone (DMZ) tourism, while the rich and diverse aspects of Korean culture and society remain largely overlooked.}} My feelings on the article are mixed, but this quote made me notice a pattern I hadn't fully processed before. |
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Some articles for Korea about places and things are I think unfairly bleak reading. I think it's because we have a disproportionate number of people interested in Korea's wars (particularly the Korean War) and in little else about Korea, which has led to a sharp imbalance that unfairly hurts Korea's image. |
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I almost feel like this is a case of [[WP:BLP]]. Hypothetically, if you had a small village with a tragic past but people still living there today, do they really deserve to have 70% of their article be about war and death, when they've done so much else before and after that? Yes, the info is true; Korea's recent history was bleak. If there was lots of other non-war info presented in each article, it wouldn't be an issue. But at present so many articles make Korea look like a still-smouldering crater, which is far from the truth. |
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I'm going to make a point of trying to balance out this kind of info going forward; please join me in it if you can. Again, we of course want to preserve the truth and provide enough tools for people to do more reading about the dark topics without harping on them. [[Special:Contributions/104.232.119.107|104.232.119.107]] ([[User talk:104.232.119.107|talk]]) 09:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:A further thought; part of this is influenced by English-language coverage of Korea, which also tends to fixate on Korea's tragic past. Drama sells books and gets views in the news. |
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:Korean-language coverage is of course much more varied. This is another reason why more Korean speakers are needed on Enwiki. [[Special:Contributions/104.232.119.107|104.232.119.107]] ([[User talk:104.232.119.107|talk]]) 08:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC) |
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An editor has requested that List of Korean films of 1919–1948 be moved to List of films produced in Korea under Japanese rule, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. toobigtokale (talk) 04:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § Thinking about removing Wiktionary links in some cases. 172.56.232.35 (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've become a little skeptical of using and encouraging the use of Template:Expand Korean and similar. At the moment, many articles on it have a systemic issue with poor sourcing; possibly influenced by Namuwiki. I think it can be nice to look at for ideas or book/source recommendations, but encouraging people to translate it I think may create some work for us in sourcing and fact checking. toobigtokale (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that in many infoboxes for Korean monarchs, their name is written in Hangul/Hanja as "[State] [Name]", for example『고려 성종』("Goryeo Seongjong").
But I've never really seen a similar naming pattern used in Korean to describe kings like this. For example, the string『고려 성종』does not appear a single time on ko:성종 (고려).
I feel like this may have been artificially done to match the English naming pattern ("[Name] of [State]"), but I feel like this gives misleading emphasis on the use of this kind of naming pattern in Korean.
Does anyone know about this? I don't have much background in pre-modern Korean history. If there's consensus that this is unusual, I may propose going through using Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to automatically redo every infobox to remove this kind of pattern. toobigtokale (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a month or two late for the holiday, but rewrote this article. If anyone can upload more photos of the event, particularly ones good for the infobox, that'd be appreciated (I can't as an IP user). 104.232.119.107 (talk) 06:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, everyone! I'd like to invite you all to sign up for the upcoming 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. The event runs from July 1 to September 30 and signups close on July 15. The WikiContest focuses on developing countries, which they have included North Korea within. The intention is to improve the English Wikipedia's coverage and comprehension of articles related to developing countries. For this reason, you may also expect that articles related to the North Korea may be heavily edited during the contest. More information on how points will be awarded can be found at Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring. For comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. Thank you! (Copied with the permission of Chlod) CMD (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that sadly this extremely useful article was deleted, how to provide this information instead? It sounds like we're now forced to include it in each artist's article instead, and perhaps add tracking categories by year under Category:Lists of concert tours of South Korean artists?Nemo 15:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mental health in South Korea is in significant need of expansion. I just gave it a revision to combine redundant info and regroup/reorder topics, but it's still relatively sparse. If you can help out, please do. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We'll see what happens, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Due to my edits on quite a lot of articles of K-Pop songs being removed most of them saying K-Pop isn't a genre. I believe it is and I want to provide a consensus across Wikipedia if it is.
From what I know, the first known open discussion about this is made by me at Talk:K-pop#Is K-Pop a music genre? and one at Talk:Ddu-du Ddu-Du#Is K-Pop a music genre?
If this discussion gets too big, maybe it could it a WikiProject if it works like that too. —Tonkarooson (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone has any idea why we are missing the following tool for Korea - linking Chinese here as examples of functionality that (and many other projects) have: Category:China articles without infoboxes .
There is no Category:Korea articles without infoboxes :( Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 03:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wife ((G)I-dle song)#Requested move 30 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A quote from the article about the SK government and Wikipedia has made me think recently. When searching for Korea-related information on travel information platforms, one often encounters topics such as the demilitarized zone (DMZ) tourism, while the rich and diverse aspects of Korean culture and society remain largely overlooked.
My feelings on the article are mixed, but this quote made me notice a pattern I hadn't fully processed before.
Some articles for Korea about places and things are I think unfairly bleak reading. I think it's because we have a disproportionate number of people interested in Korea's wars (particularly the Korean War) and in little else about Korea, which has led to a sharp imbalance that unfairly hurts Korea's image.
I almost feel like this is a case of WP:BLP. Hypothetically, if you had a small village with a tragic past but people still living there today, do they really deserve to have 70% of their article be about war and death, when they've done so much else before and after that? Yes, the info is true; Korea's recent history was bleak. If there was lots of other non-war info presented in each article, it wouldn't be an issue. But at present so many articles make Korea look like a still-smouldering crater, which is far from the truth.
I'm going to make a point of trying to balance out this kind of info going forward; please join me in it if you can. Again, we of course want to preserve the truth and provide enough tools for people to do more reading about the dark topics without harping on them. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 09:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
