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A news item involving 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 6 February 2023. This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Discussions: Not moved, 6 February 2023, to 2023 Gaziantep earthquake, see discussion. No consensus, 7 February 2023, to 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes, see discussion. Not moved, 14 February 2023, to 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes, see discussion.

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Section sizes Section size for 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes (49 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 16,096 16,096 Tectonic setting 23 11,101 Geology 4,894 4,894 Seismicity 6,184 6,184 Earthquake sequence 9,902 54,483 Aftershocks 5,937 5,937 Seismology 6,950 6,950 Rupture propagation 8,589 8,589 Surface rupture 7,295 7,295 Ground motion 6,119 6,119 Geological effects 4,926 4,926 Tsunami 4,765 4,765 Damage and casualties 28 183,368 In Turkey 86,023 86,023 In Syria 35,004 35,004 Foreign casualties 31,707 31,707 Effects in other countries 8,537 8,537 Aftershocks 8,933 8,933 Estimations of losses 13,136 13,136 Aftermath 16 80,117 Turkey 9,212 58,661 Search and rescue 12,011 12,011 Charity and volunteer campaigns 4,949 4,949 Government assistance 5,926 5,926 Incidents 4,765 4,765 Crime and conflict 5,385 5,385 Floods 1,249 1,249 2023 elections 4,927 4,927 Education 2,556 2,556 Sports 7,681 7,681 Syria 21,440 21,440 International humanitarian efforts 790 1,096 Countries 306 306 Reactions 14 50,399 Criticism of the Turkish government 12,397 21,685 Disaster management 6,442 6,442 Media 2,846 2,846 Criminal investigation in Turkey 14,836 14,836 National mourning 2,470 2,470 Criticism by the Syrian government and opposition 8,420 8,420 Health concerns 2,974 2,974 Commemorations 1,133 1,133 See also 207 207 References 15 4,008 Notes 57 57 Citations 31 31 Sources 3,905 3,905 Further reading 973 973 External links 2,426 2,426 Total 405,407 405,407

I know that because the earthquake was harsher in Turkey the title is written as 2023 Turkey-Syria earthquake. But isn't it better to write the country's names in alphabetical order? For example we have Afghanistan-Iran relations and Iran-Ukraine relations. Aminabzz (talk) 11:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The earthquake happened just 17 minutes after the start of main ceremony of 65th Annual Grammy Awards. So is it okay to include this as well in the article? Aminabzz (talk) 23:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant, WP:TRIVIA. Borgenland (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The epicenter of the Kahramanmaras earthquake of February 6 was within the borders of west–northwest of Gaziantep, that is, Turkey. The fact that it also affected Syria does not mean that the earthquake took place in Syria. For example, 2008 Sichuan earthquake also affected Tayland, but it is not called a China-Tayland earthquake because its epicenter is in a town within the borders of China. I think the title should be changed to Gaziantep, Turkey earthquake. Zyzyyz (talk) 10:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There has been quite a lot of discussion about the title in the past. There are now at least 51 scientific papers that talk about the earthquake(s) to some degree. Of these 8 refer to the earthquake(s) as a doublet, 17 as "earthquakes", 14 as an "earthquake", 8 as an "earthquake sequence", with 4 only mentioning the event(s) in passing. In total then, 33 of the papers refer to earthquakes plural and 14 as singular. Only one of the 51 mentions Gaziantep, with the most common descriptor (22) being "Turkey", followed by 12 as『Kahramanmaraş』and 11 as "Turkey-Syria", with 5 other descriptors. The OCHA use "Turkiye/Syria: Earthquakes". International news stories in the last two months use a mixture - Al Jazeera "Turkey-Syria earthquake", The Guardian "Turkey withdraws as host of Cop16, blaming February’s earthquakes", CNN "Ashley Judd describes conditions six months after devastating earthquake hit Turkey and Syria". In conclusion, the majority of sources use earthquakes in the plural, hardly any use Gaziantep, Turkey-Syria is quite commonly used but not as much as Kahramanmaraş or just Turkey. We should probably revisit the discussion as to whether we should change to "2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes", but not to your suggestion I think. Mikenorton (talk) 23:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the article state, that it is the deadliest natural disaster in modern history? 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami? 130.225.188.128 (talk) 08:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The full sentence reads: "It is the deadliest earthquake in what is now present-day Turkey since the 526 Antioch earthquake and the deadliest natural disaster in its modern history." It refers to Turkey's modern history so there's no issue with the sentence. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 09:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

2023 Turkey–Syria earthquake → 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes – Since this was last discussed, a large number of scientific publications have appeared (currently 61 in number - they can be viewed by clicking on the isc link in the infobox) and the majority (>70%) of these refer to (in order of use) "earthquakes", "earthquake doublet" or "earthquake sequence" in the title with less than a quarter (23%) using "earthquake". Based on this there is enough evidence to support a change to "earthquakes" in the title as proposed per WP:COMMONNAME Mikenorton (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: To make it easier, here is the link being referred to at washington.edu. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support: even though I did not notice the first one Chidgk1 (talk) 08:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Should’ve never been named as a singular earthquake anyway. Both earthquakes are separate technically and in terms of impacts and on the media it is named plurally. It’s a good call to rename it to ‘earthquakes’ instead of ‘earthquake’. Reego41 18:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was too many sources at the time calling it a single earthquake which was the problem. That and the fact that the article had already been edited over 350 times prior to the 7.7 earthquake. Kinda hard to call it earthquakes before the second one hits. --Super Goku V (talk) 09:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At the time great emphasis was placed on the USGS referring to the second earthquake as an aftershock. I note that they now refer to the two largest shocks as the "M 7.8 - Pazarcik earthquake, Kahramanmaras earthquake sequence" and the "M 7.5 - Elbistan earthquake, Kahramanmaras earthquake sequence". Mikenorton (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: I'm fine with it staying as "earthquake", but I can agree and understand it being "earthquakes" instead. Quake1234 (talk) 13:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per above. Aintabli (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]