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Hi guys - does anyone have any objections for me to take this through the GAN process? I feel like we are suitably far out from the tournament for it to be stable enough. Does anyone want to step in as a co-nominator? Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)06:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's two sections towards the bottom that have active tags. I feel that the Security section could be rolled into Preparations, but that would have to be created (and there's thorough coverage of the preparations involved). The match summaries also seem to be a bit underdeveloped. SounderBruce08:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Failing this based on cleanup banners that have not been addressed. When the Controversy section was tagged as WP:UNDUE (December 2022), it had 3,251 words of readable prose and the editor tagging it highlighted that it needed "some heavy trimming down". The opposite has happened as the section now totals 3,950 words. This article should summarise the controversies and the reaction to them, the level of detail provided is more appropriate for List of 2022 FIFA World Cup controversies and the related articles on specific controversies.
The Security section has been tagged as needing expanding although it has been suggested on the talk page that it could be included in a Preparations section/article. If the information already provided is all that is available, I would agree that it is not necessary to have a section dedicated to security and that inclusion in a Preparations section would be more appropriate.
There is also one {{update after}} tag and one {{citation needed}} tag.
I have concerns regarding WP:OR as well. From the edit history, the Tournament ranking section with the citation needed tag appears contentious and has been highlighted as potential OR before. The Discipline section is also unsourced. A source to the regulations is provided but no source for individual suspensions and the matches to which they applied has been provided.
A number of bare URLs which do not appear in the list of references have been used to cite match results and standings tables, these should be updated per WP:CITE to full citations.
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No drama, if it's alright with you, I'll just put my comments after this. You are well within your rights to quickfail the article, although I don't think there's all that much that needed doing (from the above at least). I've gone ahead and merged security into the venues section. It's important that we note that countries gave police (and other) forces to the event, although the actual security at the event is the same as any other event of this size, so doesn't need its own section (or an expansion). I don't think a preparations section is required, as the whole of the rest of the article is about how the event was created and how it went on.
I've removed the final standings table (as I've done probably 50 times now), as the consensus is that it should not be created unless FIFa actually creates such a table.
I'm just going through and fixing/removing the few uncited items now. I don't think the summary section is underdone, it covers pretty much every match, and full summaries of each match should exist in the sub-articles (see 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B for an example).
As for the controversy (which I suspect is the main reason for the failure, which is fair), it's a bit long, but I don't think it is specifically far too long, mainly due to the sheer amount of press and longevity of the issues surrounding the event. Several press releases have deemed it "the most controversial sporting event of all time", and thus having a section of a larger weight of the whole article makes a lot of sense. However, I shall go through the prose and clean it up a bit before renominating. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)14:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, that's a good solution for the security section. You've done a lot of good work on the article so far which is much appreciated, good luck when it comes to renomination. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I was aware it would be a difficult one to promote. I've done a significant cull of the controversy, and I think that about covers it. I'll have another read through and renom later. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)15:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all,
FIFA+ has all full match replays of this World Cup available worldwide. Is something that might be considered to add links to those under each match in the same way that Reports are made available? Cobitredici (talk) 03:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Every information in the lead should also be part of the article itself. I would therefore suggest to include the stat on highest amount of goals down in the statistics section. Then also move the source there, since the source is then not needed in the lead.
The infobox includes number of attendance, but without a source. I suggest adding a section in the article body on ticketing and attendance, then source the numbers there.
So I can't say I agree with this, but this is simply an addition of the individual attendances from each of the matches (you can see the amounts in the infobox). There's an argument that WP:CALC comes into play, but I'm not a fan of adding something without any cites (most sources talk about the 3 million or so that attended the world cup, but not necessarily the matches. I'd be hesitant to add to the body without an overall cite. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)19:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"France, the reigning World Cup champions also went through qualifying stages as normal." This sentence only makes sense if it is explained that defending champions used to not have to qualify. Maybe in a footnote?
"As a result, the 2022 tournament was the first World Cup in which none of the teams that earned a spot through qualification were making their debut. The Netherlands, Ecuador, Ghana, Cameroon, and the United States returned to the tournament after missing the 2018 tournament." Both of these statements are unsourced.
"who decided not to replace Karim Benzema after he sustained an injury" - my French is not great, but I think the French source does not explicitly state this.
Footnotes on teams not determined at the time of the draw should include a source, #130 should suffice, though I would love to see a more explicit source here, since the FIFA source does not clearly state which teams have not been determined yet.
I am not in love with the tweet (or is it an X not?) as a source. I am sure a better source can be found for this.
Who knows with that Trainwreck. As much as Twitter is the wildwest, it's a tweet from FIFA, so it's reliable. I can't find too much press about them actually being announced as the ref for the final.Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)20:12, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Many Qatar natives were seen leaving the game before the end, with ESPN reporting that two-thirds of the attendance had left." Not sure if this is really relevant, maybe under controversies (see below later once I get to that part)
"Belgium manager Roberto Martínez confirmed after the game that he believed Canada to have been the better team." - This sentence can be scrapped, not really relevant, the other games also do not state who might have been the better team, which is pure speculation anyway.
"He was later sent off for removing his shirt in celebrating the goal." - This needs context, explain why players can be sent off for this.
Yellow cards are given to players for removing the shirt (this has been a worldwide rule for almost 20 years now). He was already on a yellow card. I have added this, but I don't want to unnecessarily explain that you can get a yellow for this behaviour as it would probably bloat the prose. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)21:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better that way since these articles should be written in a way that people not familiar with the subject matter can understand them.Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:43, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The game's first goal appeared to have been headed in by Ronaldo, but the ball just missed his head." - Also not that relevant.
"Several Uruguay players left the pitch after the game surrounding the referees and followed them off the pitch." - could also do with some context, controversial non-given penalty late on?
"This marked their third World Cup win and their first since 1986. It also marked the first time that a South American team won the World Cup in 20 years and as Copa América champions." - unsourced!
Broadcasting: Why is Fox Sports in the US singled out for information about how their coverage was received? I am sure these discussions happened in other countries (definitely here in Germany), so why are they not covered? Either include as much as possible or leave it out entirely. I see no reason to single out the US, a nation not even that much into football.
Broadcasting: Same with the licensing and the viewership numbers? Why is only the US covered here??
"Social media commentary compared La'eeb's appearance to Casper the Friendly Ghost or the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, or even the ghost of the construction workers who died building the stadiums and infrastructure." - scrap for relevance, also, all four sources are highly questionable.
Generally, this section again suffers from the problem that some issues are brought up in the opening paragraphs and then are covered again in their respective subsections, leading to information being there twice.
"Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen" - the sentence before has an Oxford comma, this one has not, needs to be consistent.
"with initial plans for air-conditioned stadiums giving way to a potential date switch from summer to November and December" - this is the first time the article mentions that the tournament was originally supposed to happen in summer, this should have been brought up much earlier.
That's not exactly true. The schedule does mention that it's in a different time, and why that is. I don't think many ever thought they'd be able to run a summer event. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)22:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Migrant workers: "with the state accused of sportswashing in hosting the World Cup" - already mentioned above.
"The Sunday Times published bribery allegations based on a leak of millions of secret documents.The Sunday Times published bribery allegations based on a leak of millions of secret documents." - When did this happen?`
"Zürich, Switzerland" - is the country necessary? It is not there in the bidding section, where Zürich is already mentioned, so I would scrap it here as well.
"Wahl reportedly received death threats for wearing the shirt, and his brother said he believes Wahl's later death was the result of foul play, implicating the Qatari government as playing a role." - Since these conspiracy theories later turned out to be unfounded, I would scrap them completely here. There is no connection between his death and the LGBTQ issue, so all information on this should be removed from this section.
True, but the audience protests were about that as well, I would argue that players protesting is more relevant to the World Cup than spectators doing the same. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jewish: again, a problem here with information appearing multiple times, like the fact about kosher food. Please merge into one.
In a lot of instances, the source parameters are not fully filled out, lacking publisher, dates, access dates, and so fourth. A general sweep through all sources is needed to address this.
Thank you for taking a look at such a long and in depth article Zwerg Nase. I have replied to the above, and I'm just going through the sources to fix up the ones that aren't quite finished. Let me know if there is more I need to look at. :) Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)22:56, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski: Sorry, was way more busy over the past week than I thought I would be. I am happy with the prose now, still some minor concerns about the sources though. Some are missing parameters such as release date, retrieval date, author (where available). I don't think there are many, I've noticed #4, #192, maybe you could do a quick scan if you find any others? Then I would be happy to promote. Good work so far! Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. I don't mind taking a look - fair warning, I edit almost exclusively on mobile now, so scrutinising sources for formatting (especially on large sized articles) can be troublesome. I will need to find some time with a PC to make these changes. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)22:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski @Zwerg Nase I'm just going through the oldest GANs and found this one. It sounds like it's very close to being wrapped up and is just waiting for some minor fixes on some references. Zwerg, if I may be so bold, if Lee is having technical issues editing this and you know what you're looking for, perhaps you could just make the changes yourself so this can get moved along? RoySmith(talk)17:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski: Sorry, had little time to check Wikipedia the last couple of weeks. Sources are still my issue here. 305 is missing publisher and date, 306 is missing publisher and retrieval date as well as title translation, 312 is missing retrieval date, 317 "Eurosport" should be capitalized and title given in French with translation, 402 and 403 are questionable since it's YouTube videos (maybe find a better source here?), 406 missing retrieval date. Those are all I can find right now. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, should be done. I've fixed 305, 306, 317 and removed 406 (metro is unreliable). One of the YouTube videos is a direct interview with a reliable source, which should be fine, the other is from Sky News, an RS. It being in video form is irrelevant. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)09:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]