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This article needs to be expanded, but is certainly not pure nonsense.
I propose creating another article called something like History of Arabs in Afghanistan and putting Scythian1 edits in it.
How likely is it users looking for information on the issue of Afghan Arabs in the Soviet war in Afghanistan and the later Afghan civil war are interested in the Sassanians in Nihawand in the 7th century, etc.? In addition to the fact the region was not called Afghanistan at that time.
The two article just do not have enough in common. --BoogaLouie 00:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
However important and interesting the Sassanians in Nihawand in the 7th century, etc. is or is not, it is not what the public means when it hears or uses the phrase "Afghan Arabs". "Afghan Arabs" refers to Arabs and other Muslim fighters who came to Afghanistan in the 1980s during the Soviet-Afghan War and later to help brother Muslims fight Soviets and pro-Soviet Afghans.
This is why Nihawand in the 7th century, etc. is better put in a separate article with a title like History of Arabs in Afghanistan --BoogaLouie 14:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is the first time I took a real look at this article, and there are some passages that concern me.
For instance, the article currently asserts:
"After the war, many foreign mujahideen stayed in Afghanistan and took Afghan wives. The Afghan Arabs served as the essential core of the foot soldiers of Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda. Bin Laden being 'the undisputed leader of the Arab Afghans' by fall of 1989."
This claim is referenced to:
Wright may have written this, but I question whether it should be asserted as a fact. I have no trouble with it being an assertion explicitly referenced to Wright.
Guantanamo captive Abu Zubaydah describes himself as the registrar for the Khalden training camp, an Afghan training camp, for foreigners, that was not run by al Qaeda, or associated with al Qaeda. According to Abu Zubaydah the Taliban shut down the Khalden camp, and many other independent training camps. When he realized that the Taliban had not shut down bin Laden's training camps he sought him out, and asked him to use his influence with the Taliban to intercede on behalf of the Khalden camp. When he made this request he learned that shutting down the independent camps had been OBL's idea -- not the Taliban's. The Khalden camp was older than al Qaeda's camps, and had a large number of well-known attendees, and was more well-known than al Qaeda's camp. OBL was jealous. Putting this in article space would violate WP:NOR. But I think it justifies asking for greater care about paraphrasing Wright's assertion that OBL was the foreigner's "undisputed leader".
Other Guantanamo captives, testified, in 2004, before their CSR Tribunals that the Taliban shut down the Khalden camp. Abu Zubaydah was in a CIA black site at this time, so this can not be a sign of collusion. Geo Swan 03:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ireverted this recent edit. It was unreferenced. And it contradicted the rest of the article. Geo Swan (talk) 04:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This section does not detail the very real connection between the United States, Pakistan and Afghan Arabs. It only covers a false claim (that the CIA "created" Afghan Arabs) before going on to refute said claim. BBC journalist Greg Palast has documented solid connections between various parties, from funding to travel permits. Dynablaster (talk) 20:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I propose shortening this section. We have a whole page devoted to this topic so there is no need to reproduce exactly the same quotes on both pages. A summary of the controversy will suffice on this page and if visitors wish to learn more, they can find additional details on Allegations of CIA assistance to Osama bin Laden. Dynablaster (talk) 16:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This article was changedtoIslamic mujahid movement 18 September 2009 with the edit summary moved Afghan Arabs to Islamic mujahid movement: narrow terms of reference.
Problems:
If I don't hear any protest I am going to rvt the title change --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Islamic mujahid movement → Afghan Arabs —
Reason for move regarding WP:Title policies:
Precision – titles are expected to use names and terms that are precise, but only as precise as is necessary to identify the topic of the article unambiguously.
Recognizability – an ideal title will confirm, to readers who are familiar with (though not necessarily expert in) the topic, that the article is indeed about that topic. One important aspect of this is the use of names most frequently used by English-language reliable sources to refer to the subject. BoogaLouie (talk) 15:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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