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Hello, the image referred as: File:Tomato gazpacho.jpg|thumb|Gazpacho served with tropezones (chopped vegetables). in the Culture/Cuisine subsection is in fact an image os "salmorejo", another typical andalusian food (similar to gazpacho but only tomatoes, bread and garlic inside while gazpacho is more liquid and is made with many other vegetables). --47.61.216.50 (talk) 11:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Put frankly, this article sucks compared to the Spanish one. It would just be easier to translate the Spanish one. If I had the skills I would do it myself, but if anyone with any translating ability sees this, please do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StackOfPostItNotes (talk • contribs) 01:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC) yup i agree get a life and do your research[reply]
I went ahead and removed a section that said "In Andalucia, there is a large homosexual population. Many men bend each other over on the great fountains in Granada." Didn't think I really needed a vote before I pulled that. Abrokenpuppet 15:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This page is really bad. Someone has to work on it... Most of it is just random, irrelevant and sometimes plainly wrong info on andalusia. I think the whole thing should be erased and translated from the .es page.--83.52.25.80 22:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am erasing the whole section on the origin of the word al andalus and the (unproven) theory of H. Helm. This should go in the section of etymology on the al andalus page. Here, it should suffice to say that "Andalucia" derives from the arabic "Al Andalus", a name which refered to the areas of the iberian peninsula under muslim control.--Burgas00 21:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also erasing the reference to andalusia in Pixie song(??!?). --83.52.25.80 22:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just re-erased the Pixie song reference. Who is the moron who keeps putting this up? I agree that the Spanish version should be translated here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.223.101 (talk) 19:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added an internal link to Tartessos which holds an important place in the history of Andalusia. Frederick Boca 23:27, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wasn't it named after the Vandals, i.e. Vandalusia?
Tarshish , mentioned in the story of Jonah is a mythical land. Most of the geography in this Book is eg, Niniveh -hundreds of miles inland has a seashore in Jonah, The reference to Spain is a pleasant romance only, Tarshish was far away Spain was at the edge of the worls so they must be the same place
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A native bird of Andalucia, the cuckatoo, is known by its rare call which sounds like a Russian man saying, "Pussytwat!, Pussytwat!" ++++
Andalucia is the Spanish name. Andalusia is the English one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asterion (talk • contribs) , at 19:43, 4 September 2005.
I am a latin (Mexican), I can tell you that ANY latin language people will take the word "Andalusia" as nauseating and completely ignorant, specially the Andaluces. The article must respect the real name, which is Andalucía, and is pronounced with accent on the "í". That is the only proper way. period! amclaussen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.180.20 (talk) 16:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Amclaussen, do you have a similar criticism for Spanish-speakers who call New York "Nueva York"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.5.86.40 (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the English is Andalusia (stress on the u), but the Spanish is Andalucía (stress on the i). These days there is a tendency in both speech and writing to avoid the English spelling in favour of the Spanish one, or at least an attempt at it usually involving forgetting the accent. Even more regrettable is the non-existent adjective "Andalucian", which is neither English (Andalusian) nor Spanish (andaluz). Flapdragon 00:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Andalusia (with an "s") is AMERICAN English NOT British English - in Britain we spell it with a "C" - ie Andalucia Mekness (talk) 20:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC) Mekness[reply]
Don't know where you use to live... but here the name is writen as Andalucía but spelled Andalusia. The word andalucians doesn't exist... you may say "andaluces" wich is plural form of "andaluz". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.37.139.14 (talk) 03:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Andalusia is referenced in the Doors song, Spanish Caravan: "Andalusia with fields full of grain / I have to see you again and again..."
My Internet side http://www.picturechoice.org/andalusia/index.html can supply meaningful supplementing pictorial material to the article Andalusia. The pictorial material published there by me is not subject to restrictions of use in this format. It exclusively concerns own digital photos. The decision over screen selection, upload and/or mounting an externally link on my web page I would like to leave to the authors of the article. --ozes
Andalusia (Andalucia) capital´s isnt Malague (Malaga), it´s Seville (Sevilla). Who wrote it?.
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Pueblos blancos arent in Malaga, instead, they are located in Cadiz´s sierra. There´s even a route called "Ruta de los Pueblos Blancos" (Arcos, Ubrique, Bornos...) starting near Seville and finishing in the proximity of the Atlantic Ocean, by Cadiz town.´
Marruecos is a country with wich Spain shares a frontier and geographical demarcation (Algeciras is a prominent gateway to North Africa, or to Europe, starting from the south). Gibraltar is much more small to higlight or substitute a whole country.
If Portugal is at the west, Morrocco (Marruecos, en español) is at the south, sharing an ocean frontier with Spain, and land limits at Ceuta y Melilla. A country is much more important than Gibraltar, whose political status is actually being discussed by the British and the Spanish Governments.
I totally disagree.
1. Ceuta and Melilla are not Andalucia, they are independent autonomous comunities.
2. Andalucia never touch phisically Morroco. The fact that you can take boat from Algeciras to Morroco is not enought to call it a boundarie. There are customs in Algecira to take the boat to Morroco but that's because international laws about ports and airports.
For example, if I arrive in a plane from Spain to USA there is a zone of the airport before oficially entering American soil, does that means that Spain shares boundaries with USA?, obviously no. The same is aplicable to any port, including Algeciras.
3. Gibraltar isnt there to substitute anything. Spain and UK may be discussing his status for centuries, but as today it's oficially British territory by any aplicable law.
4. I also disagree with the edit that changes Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean Sea by Strait of Gibraltar (and deleting Gibraltar, contradicting himself). The south doesn mean the very south, the Strait is only 1% of the total South side of Andalucia. It doens even leave mention to the Mediterranean sea (neither in the east) when it's 90% of the sea boundaries.
I edited everything from scrach to reflect all these details, it makes the paragraph longer but I think it's the more accurate it can be.
I agree with both last posts but it should be mentioned that although Ceuta and Melilla are no longer politically part of Andalucia (they were untill very recently, attached to the provinces of Cadiz and Malaga) they are still culturally (ethnically?) part of Andalucia.
>>I believe this article should point out that this region was briefly in control of the vandals, who named this region Vandalusia.
>>--Gortu 17:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
>There is no documented source which proves that the region was ever called "Vandalusia". It is just a theory with no basis in fact and no >evidence whatsoever to support it. Have a look at the article of Al Andalus, where the etymology of al andalus is discussed more fully.
At least it would be reasonable to point out the debate, as the spanish article does.
The statement "The name Andalusia is derived from the Arabic name "Al Andalus"" is not corrected. Because the name Andalusia is inherited from the word "Vaudalusia". It was last part of Europe left by Vandals and they give own name this territory.
No. That if just a theory. There is no evidence that al andalus comes from anything to do with Vandals and there is no documented record of Andalusia ever having been called Vandalusia.--Burgas00 12:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think it the theory should be mentioned. It is given at Andalusia (disambiguation) and Vandals, but this page pretends the theory doesn't exist, which is a bit inconsistent. Should Vandalusia also be created to redirect here? I came here just to read about the theory and was a bit puzzled before reading the talk page. -- Coffee2theorems | Talk 18:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This article states the only documented fact which is that andalusia comes from Al Andalus. The possible etymologies for the arabic name al andalus (of which vandalusia is only one very dubious theory with no documental evidence or historical backing whatsoever) can be discussed on the relevant page: Al Andalus.--Burgas00 01:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Someone has added reference to Vandalusia again which is getting quite irritating. There is no historical evidence of any place in the world ever having been called Vandalusia. There are 3 main speculations on the name: Read about them in Al Andalus--Burgas00 00:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is done to clean up Wikipedia.
I'd like to know why is the Arabic name included? Northern 17:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I added a link to "Andalucia on my Mind" It's a travel story connecting Antequera, Ronda and Malaga
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After one month, still no response from the Andalusia editors, so I inserted the link myself, hoping they will keep it awhile to see how it works. Scribbleman (talk) 09:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
March 2008 - Deleted many .com advertisement from commercial websites, including some not even related to Andalucia like yourmarbella.com. Enough, guys! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.127.14.10 (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted this: "a country invaded by Spain". Is that a joke? Andalusia is a autonomous community, not an "invaded country". I'm self sorry of my bad knowledge of English language. See ya. --Jamelgo (talk) 23:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
More jokes! "Mike Cofsky"?¿ The President of Andalusia is José Antonio Griñán. I changed it. --Jamelgo (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've started bringing over material from es-wiki, and will continue over the next week or so. Sadly, the article on the autonomous communities of Spain in es-wiki are, at best, B+ quality, but that's a lot better than what has been here. I'm doing my best to improve rather than merely translate; the result should be the bones of a decent article. I've already done this for Castile-La Mancha and Castile and León. - Jmabel | Talk 00:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In general, I've been able to cope with even a few rather odd wordings in es-wiki, but one that confuses me quite a bit is『...han justificado los intentos de reconversión de la flota pesquera.』I've translated this rather literally (albeit with a change of verb tense) as "justifying attempts to convert the fishing fleet", but I'll be damned if I have any clarity as to what it means. Maybe a plan to buy up fishing boats and buy out fishing rights (speaking from local experience in a different part of the world)? Maybe something else? If anyone has a clue, please edit accordingly. And probably fix it in es-wiki as well. - Jmabel | Talk 06:11, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, can anyone shed light on the phrase Dehesa Boyal? I understand that it is a meadow for grazing livestock. Is it specific to cattle? Is it a commons? Is there anything more specific we can say about it? - Jmabel | Talk 06:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Culture" section, I've done my best to translate a quotation from Ortega y Gasset; I've tried to strike a balance between the tone and the letter of the text, but it's really hard. For example, there really is no English word that translates malagueño, and his verb tense (using the present tense to speak of the past) is not so common in English. I'd be interested if someone else thinks they can do better, and do tell me if you think anything I did was really wrong. - Jmabel | Talk 05:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be quite a bit of redundancy between cultural tourism & arts. I'm still translating the latter, but I suspect we could move the cultural material out of the tourism section and simply reference the arts section there. I'd like to finish translating the arts section first, though (I'm in the midst of it). - Jmabel | Talk 22:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, my only remaining translation work is the Sports section, which should be pretty separate, so if anyone wants to go after repetitions and/or reorganize the structure feel free. - Jmabel | Talk 07:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone know precisely what species are the langostino de Sanlúcar (a type of prawn) and chanquete from Málaga (a type of small fish)? - Jmabel | Talk 01:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that the hierarchy of sections I had as
has been changed
Although there might be a different, better approach, I think this is a step in the wrong direction. (1) The arts are part of culture. (2) The distinction I was making in "popular culture" was that of quotidian cultural practice - food and drink, festivals, religious practices - vs. deliberate artistic creativity.
Again, I'm open to other approaches, but I don't like this one. - Jmabel | Talk 06:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to call everyone's attention to this edit in the section Secondary sector: industry. It looks to me like an introduction of machine-translated content from the es-wiki, content I had omitted when I translated the article because it was claiming a lot of precision with no sources. At the same time it was added, content was removed, and this also was wedged in before a footnote that for that other content, as if it cited for the new content. I leave it to someone else to decide exactly what to do with this, but for now I have left the material changes, but replaced the now misleading footnote with {{cn}}. - Jmabel | Talk 04:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the list of native or famous people from the end of the article. It deserves a better end than a stultifying list of local celebs. Yomanganitalk 18:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can't readily find it in the history but at some time in the last couple of months the following was dropped: "in the eastern province of Almería, averages over 20 °C (68 °F) are common (for example, 21.5 °C (70.7 °F) at Cuevas del Almanzora)". Seems to me that it belongs, but I leave it to someone else to sort out whether this removal was vandalism or whether something was wrong with it. - Jmabel | Talk 22:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
lots of money went into transportation it says. However, it seems they missed to invest in public transportation as there is no info about buses and how to go around with them. That really missing IMO 217.125.189.101 (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On 22 November 2012 an anonymous contributor added the statement "The first settlers probably brought the first dogs into the region." The relevance of this information is unclear. The first settlers undoubtedly brought dozens if not hundreds of the usual attributes of civilization with them, dogs being just one of these. What is so significant about dogs in this context? The sentence has been flagged with "citation needed"; maybe someone can add a source supporting the notability of this detail. Piperh (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Under Vandals, Visigoths. . . /Al-Andaluz, a sentence begins,
Al-Hakam's death achieved military successes . . .
What does this mean? Did the Christian leaders achieve success as a result of Al-Hakim's death?
I hope someone who knows will correct this. Thanks
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The name section says that it came in to usage in the 13th century to refer to those territories still under Muslim rule. As far as I know, the opposite is true. Andalusia referred to those territories in Southern Spain NOT under Muslim rule but bordering the Kingdom of Granada. It referred to an area conquered by Christians and known as "La Frontera" or "El Andalucia", modern day provinces of Seville, Huelva, Cadiz and Cordoba. Granada, Malaga and Almeria were not referred to as Andalusia until they came under Christian rule in 1492.Asilah1981 (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I recently removed the Arabic spelling from the beginning of the lead as it is not a local language. The argument that it was under Arab rule for 800 years was used before (see Arabic name section above) and by Carlstak that added it back, but the problem is that this was 525 years ago. It makes sense to make a reference to it in the body of the text, specially in the name section where it is already included, as it explains its origins, but not in the languages section of the lead, since it's not a local language. The region was also under the rule of the Roman empire, but neither The Arabic or the Latin spelling have present-day ties. The Arab spelling is not commonly used regardless of the historical context other than by Arabs themselves (the closest would be references to Al-AndalusorBaetica). In those articles it makes sense to include the Arabic and Latin names (but not both in each one), as those where the local languages then. It was also noted in the previous discussion that the territory of Andalusia does not correspond to that of the historical Al-Andalus which included most of Spain. If there are no objections I will remove it again. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 10:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This sentence is very weird and should be worded differently. That tip of Andalusia apparently defines the border between both bodies of water, of course, it has coasts on both bodies of water. --89.246.121.125 (talk) 00:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Now that the article History of Andalucía, translated from Spanish, has been created by Maye Fernandez, its title should be changed to History of Andalusia to conform to the title of this one. I tried to move the page automatically, but got a notice saying:
Apparently the redirect "History of Andalusia" needs to be deleted. I don't know why the creator of the article used the Spanish orthography in the article title, because she used the non-British spelling Andalusia throughout the article text. Perhaps it was a mistake.
The article seems to look okay with a cursory glance before I go to the beach, but the English will need to be polished, and it needs more references, for which it has already been tagged. Carlstak (talk) 22:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In what sense is the word “region” used here? France of course has both Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts. Okay Chashumen (talk) 13:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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