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Only the part below the copy violation notice and before the links looks like a violation. Sparkit 15:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are these names in any sort of order?Freiherrin (talk) 06:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the direct external links to faculty/alumni web sites, as these sites are already properly included in the separate articles for each artist and don't need to be linked again here. Additionally, I integrated the alumni/faculty names that had been listed under "See also" into the general list - there does not appear to be any rationale to separate out these few names. --Shorn again (talk) 00:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted the recent edit by Modernist, which appears from its terse summary "rv nn" to have removed Alan Brookman Beddoe from the list of alums as not notable. As he has his own article and sources are cited there, there does not seem to be a rationale for deletion. Modernist, what would the reasoning be? So long as his article is here, this deletion does not appear defensible. If you in good faith feel he is not notable, wouldn't the proper way to begin be a discussion at that page? Shorn again (talk) 21:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No harm done. A deeper, richer article about the Art Students League might be possible if it was researched and referenced. It can be subdivided into historical periods. Origins, history of the various studios and buildings, etc. Turn of the century Ashcan School types, early modernism, World War I, World War II, Woodstock in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s - 1960s, Indian Space Painting, Abstract Expressionism. I'll think about it, although I really don't have time to start it...Modernist (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about a photo of the exterior of the building or a studio / class for illustration purposes? --Shorn again (talk) 23:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect I prefer no image to a bad image. The lifeless rendering recently proposed does not due justice to the Art Students League or to the building. A photo would be preferable, nothing is however better than the bloodless rendering. Modernist (talk) 14:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now that a photo has been added (and a nice one at that) I have removed the photo request template. And moved my own comments to this Illustation section, to which they relate. --Shorn again (talk) 22:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good job with the new categories, and paring both of the long lists down. Some deletions should be restored - those very well known artists who are thought of as being connected to the league - like William Merritt Chase and Charles Alston to name two. Modernist (talk) 11:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Too many names of notable alumni removed... Who is deciding the importance of these artists? And their importance to the League? This should be reviewed. Also, regarding the category "Members of Art Students League": "Member" is the term used by the League for anyone affiliated, instructor or student, past or present.--UBU07 (talk) 05:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The artists added are all listed on the League's website as notable alumni. If you look them up on askart.com you will find them, with works in museums, etc. Just because an artist does not yet have an article on wikipedia doesn't mean the artist is not notable. --UBU07 (talk) 06:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the spelling correction, by the way. --UBU07 (talk) 00:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article has improved somewhat in the past year or so, with contributions from many sources, altough the content still needs further development. However, I would argue that the lists of students and teachers add little to the article, and that this not a particularly helpful format for anyone seeking particular information. There has been consensus that anyone considered notable should have their own article written before being listed here. As there are now categories for each of those classifications and the articles on each person can be listed under those categories, the lists here are also redundant. Based on this, I propose deleting the lists entirely from the article and leaving only the links to the category pages. Thoughts? --Shorn again (talk) 21:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The school's list of renowned alumni also includes: Alan Brookman Beddoe, Aaron Bohrod, Angna Enters, John Philip Falter, Elaine Hamilton, Thomas Lamb, John Alan Maxwell, Jozef C. Mazur, Henry McBride, Ray Osrin, Sonya Rapoport, Bridget Bate Tichenor, Hervé Villechaize, Stow Wengenroth...Modernist (talk) 13:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There was a recent-reverted attempt to add an "Altheus T. Cole" to the page. This seems to be a misspelling, perhaps based on this reference: "Altheus Cole, a onetime teacher at the League". However, there is an Alphaeus Philemon Cole, who is probably the intended party. But, other than the mis-spelled NYT reference, a brief search did not yield a specific link to the ASL as teacher or student. Should probably be added if one can be found. Shorn again (talk) 23:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I recently reverted the add of a long-time ASL instructor who does not appear to be a 'notable' artist per Wikipedia criteria. In brief, generally everyone included is linked to an existing Wikipedia page, which we have taken as sufficient evidence of notablilty. The general consensus is that if someone is notable, build their own page first, then list them here. If there is a compelling reason to include information on someone not notable other than their association with the ASL, provide the rationale. Shorn again (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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This section needs editing; but otherwise is relevant to the article...Modernist (talk) 12:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Modernist: So, you truly believe that the wall of text in your version is better than a nicely formatted list? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As the notable alumni of a school typically form an assorted group with little in common, describing all of them in prose would be clumsy. Unless there are very few notable alumni, lists are recommended as the most accessible way of presenting all of them.
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| I see no compelling reason to use unformatted prose, and much reason to use a bulleted list, both for the artists and "instructors and lecturers" sections. A list is much easier to read, scan for the name in question, etc. I will say that the lists are rather long, but all the entries appear to have their own articles, so that's fine. I would recommend wrapping the lists in {{Columns-list}} to make them more compact. Ovinus (talk) 17:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply] |
I agree with the third opinion. Obvious improvement to the article. Since there seems to be a consensus among 4 editors, I will implement that change, with sourcing needing to be accomplished as well. --Cerebral726 (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
