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Talk:Aza Arnold

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A fact from Aza Arnold appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that within years of Aza Arnold inventing a device to improve cotton roving, it was plagiarized across the United States and Europe? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Aza Arnold.

The result was: promotedbySL93 talk 00:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that within years of Aza Arnold inventing a device to improve cotton roving, it was plagiarized across the United States and Europe?

• Source: Jeremy, D. J. (1981). Technological diffusion—the case of the differential gear. Industrial Archaeology Review, 5(3), 217–227. doi:10.1179/iar.1981.5.3.217

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Valerija Narvydaitė

Created by Generalissima (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aza Arnold/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 14:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima I have taken up the article for review and will try my best to fairly assess it. Meanwhile, I am looking forward to hearing from you. Regards MSincccc (talk) 08:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima Eagerly anticipating your response regarding the spot-check of sources for the article. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 07:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: MSincccc (talk · contribs) 18:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a(prose, spelling, and grammar):

I would suggest removing the two red links in the article prose.

• Removing them would be against guidelines per WP:REDYES and MOS:REDLINKS, which recommend removing them only in cases of clear non-notability or significant overlinking. - G

Furthermore, you could merge the two paragraphs of the "Personal life and death" section since the latter is only a sentence long.

• Done, good point. - G

On October 4, 1788, Aza Arnold was born in Smithfield, Rhode Island, to Benjamin Arnold and Isabel Arnold, née Green. Could this sentence be rephrased in order to comply with WP:Proseline though it is not a policy?

• Fixed. - G

Could you please modify the short description to include (1788-1865) as per WP:SDDATES?

• Ooh, good catch. Done. - G

Aza Arnold was born on October 4, 1788, in Smithfield, Rhode Island[α] to Benjamin Arnold and Isabel Arnold, née Green. His mother died when he was two years old. This sentence would be more preferable.

@MSincccc: Sure enough, added. - G

Please replace the pronoun "he" with his first name or surname at the beginning of each paragraph. Additionally, using "he" in consecutive sentences at a stretch is no different from using his name in consecutive sentences at a stretch. You could possibly make these changes throughout the article.

• @MSincccc: Fair enough on the first point - for the latter, frankly speaking, this is not in the MoS, and using the name when it's not ambiguous who "he" refers to would make the prose feel stilted IMO. - G

b(MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a(references):

Could you please provide atleast one quote from the book sources that have been cited in the article?

• Done. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 15:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please do so for at least eight to nine references? Just to let you know that I cannot access these books myself.

@MSincccc: You can though! They're linked to archive.org links, you can read them at the website by simply creating an account. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have an account on Internet Archive which I frequently use, at times on a daily basis.

Just click the links on the citations in the bibliography section. All of the book sources (Thomson 2009, Jeremy 1981b, Mitman 1947, Bicknell 1920, Hayes 1879) are on archive.org, you can check them yourself there. For the journal article Roche 1953, the Project MUSE link has an excerpt which contains all of the information I cite. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

b(citations to reliable sources)

c(OR):
d(copyvio and plagiarism):

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a(major aspects):

Could you please shed more light on his early life and education if possible? At present, the article has not mentioned anything with regard to his educational career.

• No more information is available about his early life or education, which is sadly typical for figures from this period. I scanned every source mentioning him back to the late 19th century; that's all that appears to have been recorded. - G

b(focused):

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

2. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a(images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
   b(appropriate use with suitable captions):

Spot check[edit]

• 1-Y Cited page 53 is about Frank Howard Arnold not Aza.
• 2Y
• 4Y
• 6-Y
• 9-Y I could not find a quote supporting the sentence "By 1825, it had been introduced to England, where a manufacturer named Houldsworth patented it. Following this, it became known as 'Houldsworth's differential' in the United Kingdom" in either reference 2 or reference 9.

• 10-Y Please go through it.
  • @MSincccc: Oops, typo on cite 9; supposed to point to page 37. I went through and checked cite 10, has the reference on that page. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about references 1,6 and 9 @Generalissima?

@MSincccc: The header on #1 is about Frank Howard Arnold, but the right column talks about Aza Arnold, since he was one of Frank H. Arnold's grandsons. I fixed #9 as mentioned above, and I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do with #6 - if it's an access issue, I don't really know a way to provide it. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please help me out with reference no. 6 and how it corresponds to the prose of the article? The other references are fine. Thanks. MSincccc (talk) 20:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, alright. From the top:

• 6A: Supports the functioning of the differential gear in Arnold's machine (explains how the bobbins are slowed relative to the spindles)
• 6B: Discusses previous implementations of differential gear systems, to give context to Arnold's and how relatively recent the (re)-invention of the differential was in his time.
• 6C: Mentions its use by the Lowell mill corporations shortly after Arnold invented it.
• 6D: Mentions it was used in Mulhouse by the end of the 1820s.

Hope that clears it up. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. Understood @Generalissima. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 20:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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