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Needs some work e.g. not really true "The confluence of the creek with the Christina was the site of the founding of Fort Christina, the first settlement of the New Sweden colony, in 1638." Fort Christina is on the other side of downtown Wilmington from Brandywine creek. It could use something about: the huge drop in elevation which led to the "water wheel industrialization" in the area, e.g. along the race and DuPont's gunpowder mills. Also the first major ecological disaster in the US (damned dams stopped the fish runs). The school of painting, etc. Obviously I need to brush up on some of this before writing it down.
But don't some real Wilmingtonites read this. Please contribute!!
yes the article is lacking a bit, but I am not an expert. One glaring error I am very aware of are both references to Brandywine Creek State Park. The author has confused this with Brandywine Park, which is a city park once under county management but now under State Park management. Brandywine Creek State Park is something else. It is upstream from the city and still further up from Hagley Museum. It is an entirely rural park and situated in the countryside (what reamins of it). It is a common mistake and locals here confuse them all the time. To make matters even more confusing, is another New Castle County Park called "Brandywine Springs" which is not even on the Brandywine, but is on the Red Clay Creek and is situated a few miles west of the city. It is the site of a former amusement park.
Fantastic. Smallbones 18:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The box is nice, but does look a bit clumsy. Maybe some re-ordering of the pix would work. The confluence is listed in the box as being in east Bradford township, whereas I had put a week or so ago that it is in Pocopson Township. Checking further at http://www.eastbradford.org/publicinfo/Maps/OfficialMap_122305.pdf it looks like (far south west corner of map) that it is on the border between the two. It looks like a minor point to go into much detail about, but I may do something here. Smallbones 09:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a nice start - needs lots more references. Here is the DCNR page on the Brandywine creek watershed. Here are the USGS GNIS pages for Brandywine Creek (with alternate names listed), and its East and West Branches. At some point I will add data from the PA Gazetteer of Streams II which lists lengths, watershed areas, elevation of source and mouth, etc. All three streams are included in this book. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
United States Geological Survey U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Brandywine Creek (Christina River tributary) says:
flowing SE to the Christina River on the SE edge of Wilmington, Delaware.
I don't think the list of alternative names adds anything. Just like every river/creek has some legend about some rock that some girl/Indian princess jumped off of; I'd think every river/creek has got a half dozen alternate names plus a half dozen misspellings. Please let me know if I'm wrong, but I'd just remove the list.
Smallbones (talk) 04:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article looks pretty good, but there are definitely some areas for improvement. I always like to use a model article and have been the main author on several Pennsylvania stream FAs, which may be useful as models (see Larrys Creek as one example). There arename se also several tributaries of the Columbia River that are FAs and nice models, such as Johnson Creek (Willamette River).
I can add some material from resources I have that may be hard to come by otherwise - the length of the main stem and both the East and West Branches, the area of the total watershed and of each Branch's watershed, Canoeing, Native paths that crossed the Brandywine.
History and Name sections I think I might combine the name section with the History section (or perhaps make it its own section before History). I would start the History with the Lenape ( chronological order). There could be a sentence early on in History that gave the total number of variant names, then these names could be given in context. I also think similar names do not have to be given in the main text, but could be referred to and perhaps given in a footnote / ref. For example, the current sentence The Brandywine was called Wauwaset by Lenni-Lenape (or Delaware) Indians and Fiskiekylen, or "Fish Creek" by early Dutch and Swedish settlers. could be split up to two like The Brandywine was called Wauwaset by the Lenape, and other Native American names for it included Suspecough and Trancocopanican. (then give the two Wawaset variants in a footnote). The something like The early Dutch and Swedish settlers called it Fiskiekylen, or "Fish Creek", and the Dutch heritage is also reflected in Fiske Creek and three variant names using the Dutch word "Kill" or stream. Then give those in a footnote. I like the current The current name may be from an old Dutch word for brandy or gin, brandewijn, or from the name of an early mill owner, Andreas Brainwende or Brantwyn.[4] sentence. Perhaps mention the number of the very similar Brandywine spelling variants, then these could go into a foootnote.
Discharge There are six USGS stream guages on the Brandywine (two each on the main stem, East and West Branches). See here. This information should be in the article.
Watershed and Geology I would add a section on the watershed / drainage basin and the Geology.
More later, hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The overall drainage basin size for Brandywine Creek is 300 square miles (777 km2), with 2.19 square miles (5.7 km2) of that in Delaware. Brandywine Creek is 20.01 miles (32.20 km) long from the confluence of the East and West Branches to the mouth. It is 9.6 miles (15.4 km) from the confluence to the Delaware state line (the length in Pennsylvania).
The West Branch watershed is 132.7 square miles (344 km2) in area (all of which is part of the larger watershed given above), and it is 32.7 miles (52.6 km) long. If you add the lengths of the West Branch and main stem, it is 52.7 miles (84.8 km) long.
The East Branch watershed is 124 square miles (320 km2) in area (all of which is part of the larger watershed given above), and it is 25.0 miles (40.2 km) long.
The average precipitation in the watershed is 42 to 26 inches (1067 to 1168 mm). The watershed is in the Piedmont Uplands Physicographic Province in Pennsylvania and the rocks there are shale, slate and limestone for the main stem (after the confluence). The branches have schist, gneiss, marble, and limestone rocks.
These are all taken from [1], except the length from the confluence to the mouths, which is from [2] (also duplicates the branch watershed areas).
The watershed is in four counties: Chester, Delaware, and Lancaster in PA, New Castle in DE. See this map,[3] which also gives bacteria counts in the main stem and branches.
There is a water budget for the East Branch here.[4]
Found a book on the watershed association.[5] and the watershed association web page here. Woo hoo!
Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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For some PA geology, see this map for Physiographic Provinces and this map for the eras of the underlying rocks - look to be Pre-Cambrian, Lower Paleozoic, and Cambrian. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Recreational and natural areas: quite a bit of the Brandywine is protected by parks. Going upstream, there's Brandywine Park (Wilmington), then Brandywine Creek State Park, then the privately-owned but publicly-accessible Woodlawn Estate. North beyond Lenape, there's East Bradford Township's River Park; Marsh Creek State Park lies adjacent to the East Branch, and Struble Lake Recreation Area lies more or less at its source; on the West Branch, it passes through Hibernia County Park. There are also a number of hiking trails: the Brandywine Trail and the Struble Trail are relatively long and follow the Brandywine for most of their lengths.
History in general: Canby's book is somewhat idiosyncratic but gives a good idea of the "big picture" of Brandywine history. The section on industrialization conveys it well, although it might do well with a summary lede. Essentially, the falls of the Brandywine made it unsuitable as an artery of transportation, so it was lined with mills instead, which made Wilmington the flour-exporting center of the country in the post-Revolutionary years. Eventually the railroads did arrive (East Brandywine & Waynesburg, 1861; Wilmington & Reading, 1869); both took their share of mill traffic, although the latter was really intended to forward coal to Wilmington, with unfulfilled notions of making it a coal port. The Brandywine Valley in Pennsylvania was more agricultural than industrial, although there were still plenty of mills, particularly at the steel town of Coatesville and the paper town of Downingtown; OTOH, Canby writes that in his youth, West Chester was a farmers' town. There was some ironmaking on the upper Brandywine, most notably at Hibernia and Isabella, but it was moribund by the 19th century.
Historical sites: Gibson's Covered Bridge and Lenape Bridge are also on the NRHP and are directly over the Brandywine. There are more historic sites in the Brandywine Valley than you can shake a camera at, not that I'm not trying. Choess (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Brandywine Village, a key center of U.S. industrialization, deserves an article of its own, not just a sub-section of the History section of an article about its river. I propose to create a new article, Brandywine Village, and to move at least some of the detail from this article to that one. PRRfan (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Elam is a populated place per: "Elam". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. August 2, 1979. Valfontis (talk) 16:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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