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A news item involving COVID-19 was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 11 March 2020. This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations: Omer Benjakob (February 9, 2020). "On Wikipedia, a fight is raging over coronavirus disinformation". Wired (magazine). Retrieved February 9, 2020. While a short and generic Wikipedia page on "coronavirus" had existed since 2013, the article about the『2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak』was created on January 5, 2020. Four days later, a new article was spun off from it, dedicated solely to the "Novel coronavirus" – officially known as 2019-nCoV. Yet another was created in February to detail the symptoms of the respiratory disease caused by the virus. Noam Cohen (15 February 2020). "How Wikipedia Prevents the Spread of Coronavirus Misinformation". Wired. Retrieved 15 February 2020. His point, and it's really indisputable, is that this mammoth online project has developed a personality, a purpose, a soul. Now, as the new coronavirus outbreak plays out across its many pages, we can see that Wikipedia has also developed a conscience. Donald G. McNeil, Jr. (October 22, 2020). "Wikipedia and W.H.O. Join to Combat Covid Misinformation". The New York Times. Text has been copied to or from this article; see the list below. The source pages now serve to provide attribution for the content in the destination pages and must not be deleted as long as the copies exist. For attribution and to access older versions of the copied text, please see the history links below. Copied Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) (oldid, history) → 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease (diff) Copied Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) (oldid, history) → 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease (diff) Copied 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (oldid, history) → 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease (diff) This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: RM, 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease → Coronavirus disease 2019, Moved, 12 February 2020, Discussion RM, Coronavirus disease 2019 → COVID-19, Not moved (WP:SNOW), 24 April 2020, Discussion RM, Coronavirus disease 2019 → COVID-19, Not moved, 16 September 2020, Discussion MRV, Reclosed as no consensus, 21 November 2020, Discussion RM, Coronavirus disease 2019 → COVID-19, Moved, 3 March 2021, Discussion This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2020, when it received 21,672,589 views. Section sizes Section size for COVID-19 (65 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 15,242 15,242 Nomenclature 6,527 6,527 Symptoms and signs 159 9,841 Complications 9,682 9,682 Cause 480 14,525 Transmission 303 303 Virology 6,367 6,367 SARS-CoV-2 variants 7,375 7,375 Pathophysiology 1,865 37,303 Respiratory tract 1,986 1,986 Nervous system 7,244 7,244 Gastrointestinal tract 1,019 1,019 Cardiovascular system 6,390 6,390 Kidneys 599 599 Immunopathology 6,872 6,872 Viral and host factors 31 4,972 Virus proteins 1,950 1,950 Host factors 2,991 2,991 Host cytokine response 2,877 2,877 Pregnancy response 3,479 3,479 Diagnosis 1,811 16,642 Viral testing 6,573 6,573 Imaging 3,920 3,920 Coding 895 895 Pathology 3,443 3,443 Prevention 7,655 29,999 Vaccine 988 988 Face masks and respiratory hygiene 301 301 Indoor ventilation and avoiding crowded indoor spaces 3,657 3,657 Hand-washing and hygiene 2,620 2,620 Social distancing 2,275 2,275 Surface cleaning 9,264 9,264 Self-isolation 1,776 1,776 International travel-related control measures 1,463 1,463 Treatment 326 326 Prognosis and risk factors 13,986 36,635 Genetic risk factors 10,042 10,042 Children 3,587 3,587 Long-term effects 4,362 4,362 Immunity 4,658 4,658 Mortality 3,777 41,423 Case fatality rate 2,621 2,621 Infection fatality rate 2,259 9,981 Estimates 3,183 3,183 Earlier estimates of IFR 4,539 4,539 Sex differences 12,631 12,631 Ethnic differences 6,182 6,182 Comorbidities 6,231 6,231 History 33,640 33,640 Misinformation 2,491 2,491 Other species 6,668 6,668 Research 3,082 35,605 Transmission and prevention research 4,911 4,911 Treatment-related research 12,305 24,130 Cytokine storm 7,679 7,679 Passive antibodies 4,146 4,146 Bioethics 3,482 3,482 See also 604 604 References 1,358 1,358 Further reading 725 725 External links 44 4,364 Health agencies 541 541 Directories 502 502 Medical journals 987 987 Treatment guidelines 2,290 2,290 Total 293,918 293,918 The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future: We know a lot about Covid-19. Experts have many more questions

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Section sizes Section size for COVID-19 (65 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 15,242 15,242 Nomenclature 6,527 6,527 Symptoms and signs 159 9,841 Complications 9,682 9,682 Cause 480 14,525 Transmission 303 303 Virology 6,367 6,367 SARS-CoV-2 variants 7,375 7,375 Pathophysiology 1,865 37,303 Respiratory tract 1,986 1,986 Nervous system 7,244 7,244 Gastrointestinal tract 1,019 1,019 Cardiovascular system 6,390 6,390 Kidneys 599 599 Immunopathology 6,872 6,872 Viral and host factors 31 4,972 Virus proteins 1,950 1,950 Host factors 2,991 2,991 Host cytokine response 2,877 2,877 Pregnancy response 3,479 3,479 Diagnosis 1,811 16,642 Viral testing 6,573 6,573 Imaging 3,920 3,920 Coding 895 895 Pathology 3,443 3,443 Prevention 7,655 29,999 Vaccine 988 988 Face masks and respiratory hygiene 301 301 Indoor ventilation and avoiding crowded indoor spaces 3,657 3,657 Hand-washing and hygiene 2,620 2,620 Social distancing 2,275 2,275 Surface cleaning 9,264 9,264 Self-isolation 1,776 1,776 International travel-related control measures 1,463 1,463 Treatment 326 326 Prognosis and risk factors 13,986 36,635 Genetic risk factors 10,042 10,042 Children 3,587 3,587 Long-term effects 4,362 4,362 Immunity 4,658 4,658 Mortality 3,777 41,423 Case fatality rate 2,621 2,621 Infection fatality rate 2,259 9,981 Estimates 3,183 3,183 Earlier estimates of IFR 4,539 4,539 Sex differences 12,631 12,631 Ethnic differences 6,182 6,182 Comorbidities 6,231 6,231 History 33,640 33,640 Misinformation 2,491 2,491 Other species 6,668 6,668 Research 3,082 35,605 Transmission and prevention research 4,911 4,911 Treatment-related research 12,305 24,130 Cytokine storm 7,679 7,679 Passive antibodies 4,146 4,146 Bioethics 3,482 3,482 See also 604 604 References 1,358 1,358 Further reading 725 725 External links 44 4,364 Health agencies 541 541 Directories 502 502 Medical journals 987 987 Treatment guidelines 2,290 2,290 Total 293,918 293,918

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§ Other species:

As expected, monkeys and great ape species such as orangutans can also be infected with the COVID‑19 virus.^[1]

As written, this either excludes lesser apes or else includes great apes twice over (cf the opening paragraph of monkey), which is odd either way. What the ref actually says is

The findings on ferrets, orangutans, and monkeys showed a higher affinity of ACE2 with the RBD domain of SARS-CoV-2 S protein [1].

That citation in turn says the following:

2019-nCoV RBD likely recognizes ACE2 from pigs, ferrets, cats, orangutans, monkeys, and humans with similar efficiencies, because these ACE2 molecules are identical or similar in the critical virus-binding residues.

[...]

Pigs, ferrets, cats, and nonhuman primates contain largely favorable 2019-nCoV-contacting residues in their ACE2 and hence may serve as animal models or intermediate hosts for 2019-nCoV.

However, the previous paragraph of § Other species disagrees about pigs in particular:

The virus does not appear to be able to infect pigs, ducks, or chickens at all.^[2]

Again ref plus secondary citation:

However, Shi et al. reported that ferrets and cats were highly susceptible to SARS-CoV-2, while dogs had a low susceptibility and livestock including pigs, chickens, and ducks were not susceptible to the virus, under experimental conditions [2].

->

Dogs appeared not to support viral replication well and had low susceptibility to the virus, and pigs, chickens, and ducks were not susceptible to SARS-CoV-2.

[...]

We found that SARS-CoV-2 replicates poorly in dogs, pigs, chickens, and ducks, but ferrets and cats are permissive to infection.

[...]

We also investigated the susceptibility of pigs, chickens, and ducks to SARS-CoV-2 by using the same strategy as that used to assess dogs. However, viral RNA was not detected in any swabs collected from these virus-inoculated animals or from naïve contact animals (Table 1). In addition, all of these animals were seronegative for SARS-CoV-2 when tested by ELISA with sera collected on day 14 p.i. (Table 1). These results indicate that pigs, chickens, and ducks are not susceptible to SARS-CoV-2.

In summary, we found that ferrets and cats are highly susceptible to SARS-CoV-2; dogs have low susceptibility; and pigs, chickens, and ducks are not susceptible to the virus.

Generally, translating some of the refs' protein-level results into organism-level claims like "can be infected" seems suspect.

Maybe put an OR tag on the section?

Specifically, suggest changing

As expected, monkeys and great ape species such as orangutans can also be infected with the COVID‑19 virus.

to

Orangutans and other primates may also be vulnerable to COVID‑19 infection.

at minimum.

- 2A02:560:59A1:EF00:BD31:F556:FA77:6F84 (talk) 16:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 15:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added subheadings to the OP to clarify where it's suggesting changes and where it's discussing sources. - 2A02:560:59A1:EF00:BD31:F556:FA77:6F84 (talk) 16:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Per above. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library has a partnership with Wiley (publisher) to get access to many of their textbooks and journals, including some medical school textbooks, at no charge to editors. If you are looking for good sources, please consider this one:

• Gholamrezanezhad, Ali; Dube, Michael P., eds. (2023-01-06). Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID‐19): A Clinical Guide (1 ed.). Wiley. doi:10.1002/9781119789741. ISBN 978-1-119-78968-0.

Eligible editors will need to login at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/. Under "My Collections", almost at the end of the page, find the box for Wiley. Click on the blue "Access collection" button. That will take you to the Wiley search page.

Put the title of the book into the main search box. The default search result is "Articles & Chapters", but you want the "Publications" tab. Click on the search result for the book, and then decide whether you want to download the whole book at once (huge file) or to pick and choose individual chapters instead (e.g., "COVID-19: Presentation and Symptomatology (Pages: 125-148)" or "Mental Health Effects of the COVID-19 Pandemic on Healthcare Professionals (Pages: 554-579)").

This medical school textbook sells for about US$100, so using TWL can save you a lot of money. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 13 § Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus until a consensus is reached. Wow (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested edit ...

Antihistamines ... prevention and treatment of Covid

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10129342/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/cardiovascular-medicine/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2023.1202696/full

https://ufhealth.org/news/2020/existing-antihistamine-drugs-show-effectiveness-against-covid-19-virus-cell-testing

https://www.mycovidteam.com/resources/antihistamines-for-covid-19-can-benadryl-zyrtec-etc-help-with-symptoms 98.46.116.219 (talk) 14:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now

1. None of those sources establish that antihistamines prevent COVID-19. There are statements like we believe that antihistamines may have played a role as a preventive drug for COVID-19 which should be studied & Clinical trials will be necessary to establish the drugs’ effectiveness in prevention, early treatment and as a secondary therapy for severe COVID-19.
2. The first three sources are primary sources. Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)#Avoid primary sources states Per the Wikipedia policies of neutral point of view, no original research, and verifiability, articles need to be based on reliable, independent, published secondaryortertiary sources. [...] Primary sources should NOT normally be used as a basis for biomedical content.
3. The mycovidteam.com does support using antihistamines for treating COVID-19 and is a tertiary source. However, the criteria for Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)#Definitions specifies:
   • Asecondary source summarizes one or more primary or secondary sources to provide an overview of current understanding of the topic, to make recommendations, or to combine results of several studies. Examples include literature reviewsorsystematic reviews found in medical journals, specialist academic or professional books, and medical guidelines or position statements published by major health organizations.
   • Atertiary source summarizes a range of secondary sources. Undergraduate- or graduate-level textbooks, edited scientific books, lay scientific books, and encyclopedias are tertiary sources.

Thus, none of the sources that you posted qualify for this article. If you do find a source that supports these criteria, please feel free to circle back & post it. Peaceray (talk) 17:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary sources ...

"should be approved for emergency use towards Covid‐19 management at the moment"

Covid‐19 Histamine theory: Why antihistamines should be incorporated as the basic component in Covid‐19 management?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9903129

"Antihistamines have also been shown in small studies to reduce some Long COVID symptoms, including fatigue, brain fog, and an inability to exercise"

https://time.com/6263356/long-covid-treatment-prevention/

https://www.prevention.com/health/a39122406/anthihistamines-long-covid-symptoms/

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220214/Antihistamines-may-offer-hope-for-long-COVID-patients.aspx

https://www.livescience.com/antihistamines-to-treat-long-covid-pasc 98.46.117.90 (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I request changing "strict quarantines and a mink euthanasia campaign" to "strict quarantines and the slaughter of all the country's mink"--94.189.43.2 (talk) 08:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Peaceray (talk) 15:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]