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1 Beginning Rewrite  
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2 Additions  
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4 General Secretary  
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5 "Bomber bases"  
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6 Relevance disputed  
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7 Logo?  
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Beginning Rewrite

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I will start working on a rewrite of this page. Sources I will be using:
Rituals of National Loyalty (1997) by Katherine Bowie
The Thai Radical and the Communist Party (1983) by Yuangrat Wedel
“Political Oppositions and Regime Change in Thailand” (1996) by Kevin Hewison in Political Oppositions in Industrialising Asia
“The Revolutionary Strategy of the Communist Party of Thailand" (1984) by Kanok Wongtrangan in Armed Communist Movements in Southeast Asia
“The Tradition of Urban Working Class Struggle in Thailand” (1995) by Ji Ungpakorn
“History and Policy of the Communist Party of Thailand” (1978) by Patrice de Beer
“Radicalism after Communism in Thailand and Indonesia” (1993) by Benedict Anderson
"An Internal History of the Communist Party of Thailand" (2003) published by Somsak Jeamteerasakul
Anyone else interested, please help with further sources, especially Thai language, as my Thai skills are quite rusty.--Goldsztajn 09:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additions

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Not to interfere with Goldzstajn's rewrite, I'll add textpieces here that can be introduced in the main article later:

From "Factors Influencing Relations between the Communist Parties" [2]:

Patriotic and Democratic Forces was founded. --Soman 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From 'Thailand: Toward Fundamental Change' [3]

From 'Thailand in 1983: Democracy, Thai Style Suchitra Punyaratabandhu-Bhakdi Asian Survey, Vol. 24, No. 2, A Survey of Asia in 1983: Part II. (Feb., 1984), pp. 187-194. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%28198402%2924%3A2%3C187%3ATI1DTS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4'

From 'Border Politics and the Broader Politics of Thailand's International Relations in the 1990s: From Communism to Capitalism Paul Battersby Pacific Affairs, Vol. 71, No. 4. (Winter, 1998-1999), pp. 473-488. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0030-851X%28199824%2F199924%2971%3A4%3C473%3ABPATBP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Y'

From 'Insurgency in Northeast Thailand: A New Cause for Alarm Stephen I. Alpern Asian Survey, Vol. 15, No. 8. (Aug., 1975), pp. 684-692. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%28197508%2915%3A8%3C684%3AIINTAN%3E2.0.CO%3B2-R'

From 'China and Southeast Asian Communist Movements: The Decline of Dual Track Diplomacy William R. Heaton Asian Survey, Vol. 22, No. 8. (Aug., 1982), pp. 779-800. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%28198208%2922%3A8%3C779%3ACASACM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4'

From 'Thailand's Revolutionary Insurgency: Changes in Leadership Potential David Morell; Chai-anan Samudavanija Asian Survey, Vol. 19, No. 4. (Apr., 1979), pp. 315-332. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%28197904%2919%3A4%3C315%3ATRICIL%3E2.0.CO%3B2-T'

Udom Srisuwan Chairman (Member of the CPT Central Committee) Boonyen Wothong Vice Chairman (SPT) Monkon Na Nakhon Committee Member (CPT) Therdphum Chaidee Committee Member Sithon Yotkantha Committee Member (farmers movement) Samak Chalikun Committee Member (Socialist Front Party) Chamni Sakdiseth Committee Member Sri Inthapathi Committee Member and Spokesman (formerly working for the Public Relations Department of the government) Thirayut Boonmi Committee Member and Secretary (students movement) (editor of Samakhi Surop (United to Fight), a magazine being circulated among students and intellectuals both in Thailand and abroad.)

From 'General Prem Survives on a Conservative Line Surachai Sirikrai Asian Survey, Vol. 22, No. 11. (Nov., 1982), pp. 1093-1104. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%28198211%2922%3A11%3C1093%3AGPSOAC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-8'

Thai Army Operations Department, that the war against CPT armed forces was approaching its end as all major bases of the PLAT in the North and North-East had been destroyed.

From 'Possible and Impossible Solutions to Ethnic Civil Wars Chaim Kaufmann International Security, Vol. 20, No. 4. (Spring, 1996), pp. 136-175. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0162-2889%28199621%2920%3A4%3C136%3APAISTE%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N'

From 'Rewriting Cambodian History to 'Adapt' It to a New Political Context: The Kampuchean People's Revolutionary Party's Historiography (1979-1991) K. Viviane Frings Modern Asian Studies, Vol. 31, No. 4. (Oct., 1997), pp. 807-846. Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0026-749X%28199710%2931%3A4%3C807%3ARCHT%27I%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N'

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From [5]

From [6]

More additions...

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Speleothem inside Ta Ko Bi Cave, a cave in Amphoe Umphang, which was used as a base by CPT guerrillas

References

General Secretary

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I'm trying to dechifer the listing of general secretaries at Thai wiki, but all help in this would be appreciated. What I can understand (via http://www.thai2english.com) is that Mit Samanan (Jaoroen Wan-ngam) became g.s in 1961 and that there was a new g.s. in 1982. At this point it seems that Mit Samanan and Khamtan could be the same person, as they are both mentioned in other sources as general secretaries and died in Beijing around the same time. --Soman 12:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the Thai version of this page the names listed under the section รายชื่อเลขาธิการพรรค (secretaries of the party) are as follows, these are my transliterations:
2485/1942: Pitchit Sukothai (Juso Walim, Payap Angkasing)
2495/1952: Prasong Wongwiwat (Trong Nopkun)
2504/1961: Mit Samanan (Jaerin Wanngam)
2525/1982: Pracha Tanyabaiboon (Tong Jaemsri)
My sense is that your conclusion about Mit Samanan and Khamtan being the same person would be correct based on the fact that Pichit Sukothai was most probably actually Li Chin Sin (aka Bun Tech Chai) founder of the Communist Party of Malaya and sent to Thailand in 1940 to set up the CPT. My point being people at this time had so many aliases that it is more than likely that when different people are listed as doing the same thing at the same time in the same place...more than likely the same person.--Goldsztajn 22:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doing a little more digging, I think my initial impression was wrong, perhaps Khamtan and Mit Samanan are different persons. See this nation article from 2006 [13] and this Phayom Chulanont (alias Khamtan) which mentions only being a CC member.--Goldsztajn 03:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Bomber bases"

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While the US Air Force had a number of air bases in Thailand, it had only one bomber base, at the Utapao RTN Air Base. It was penetrated by saboteurs only once, and they failed to do any significant damage. While the source cited does support the statement, "PLAT forces intensified their operations, including attacks on US Air Force bomber bases in the country," the statement is correct only if the word "bomber" is deleted, or changed to "air." But I'm not gonna mess with it any more. Pawyilee (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance disputed

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Relevance of section 1930s – 1940s background and See also United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship have been disputed as irrelevant or tenuous. I'll admit to the latter and will try to establish relevance. I'll also admit that the section needs a substantial re-write to make it shorter and more to the point. Write now this is just a notice that I'm working on it. I'm in a remote village in Thailand with a slow connection via cell phone, and it will take me a while to get my $#!† together. For starters, I have no access to Goldsztajn's sources, but judging strictly by the titles, there may not be much in them about the 20's and 30's, and that may be why the statement communist activism in the country began as early as 1927 is unsourced, even though factual. I have read Win Lyovarin#Novels Democracy, Shaken and Stirred, which covers the same period as CPT activity in Thailand, which notes extrajudicial killings of political opponents as "communist" to such an extent that in today's Thai, it means someone who needs killing and is even applied to U-No-Who. The book is reviewed here. Note Ho Chi Minh was educated in Paris at the same time as Pibun and Pridi, then stayed in the Thai village of Nachok 1929 - 31. The tenuous link to the UDD is their use of Red and, since their victory in the last election, changing the English-language name of the party to include "Front." A firmer link could be established if only I had a list of surviving CPT members. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

None of the material repasted to the article has to do with the Communist Party, nor are there any WP:RS which are pertinent to the Communist Party. (This is why I deleted it in the first place). The much more important context to the emergence of the CPS/CPT at this time is the Chinese diaspora communities in South East Asia and the Nanyang Party. Siam's elite in the 1920s and 1930s of course accused anybody oppposed to the absolute monarchy as being a commmunist (the Anti-Commuist Act effectively gave carte blanche for repression to any kind of democratic/social reform). The fact that Pridi and Pibun were in Paris in the 1930s only tells one something about France and its colonial relations, nothing about communism. People who jointly studied in Moscow in the 30s would be much more pertinent here.--Goldsztajn (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Logo?

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I'm a bit concerned over the logo added, File:Communist Party of Thailand.jpg. The bilingual design appears to be from a supposed later incarnation or a design created for modern social media. Would the CPT have used English in their graphics? The source is an online forum (pantip), without any attribution of source it appears? --Soman (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I have never seen any evidence suggesting the CPT ever had an official logo, let alone one that is distinct from the hammer and sickle used in their flag. Furthermore, knowledge of english in Thailand even today is fairly low, it would have been practically non-existant in pre-90s Thailand. I have also never seen any evidence of a new CPT being created after the mysterious disappearance of the CPT in the 80s/90s. Unless someone is trying to refound the CPT right now, I would suggest this logo is completely fictional! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The logo is from a rejected application in 2018.[14] --Paul_012 (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, it clearly does not belong in this article, or even on wikipedia at all for that matter. This also means the uploader uploaded someone elses work without permission! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The design doesn't really have original elements, so it might not be original enough to be copyrightable. I've adjust the tagging on Commons as such, but maybe a deletion discussion could take place. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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