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Sorry, I realized after the fact that the Vartan Arachelian reference was already in there, but by the time I tried to remove it, it was already gone! My mistake, but for the future, just to avoid confusions, can we settle on a way to quote newspaper articles? I usually do it exactly as for articles in books, namely, author/title/source/date -- part of the reason being that the author may well have a wikipage, in which case I link it, but also because I do not view reporters writing newspaper aricles as being inferior somehow to scholars writing in books (though there are quite a bit of exceptions to this rule!) In case at hand, I just looked at the author list, and somehow I missed Arachelian at first glance, since he was mooshed together with the title of the article... Turgidson15:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've used the reference style Dahn is using as I found it good enough but also to promote a common methodology in the articles edited by the same group of editors (Romanians, in this case). Of course, there's room for improvement. Though I do not value too much newspapers (they are not usually peer-reviewed, there's no requirement of expertise from someone to write there unlike in scholarly journals, therefore I consider them secondary sources of inferior quality; though indeed sometimes the author might be a scholar/expert), it is good to keep the author names separate as sometimes, as you said it, they might get wikilinked. Daizus15:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The best way to achieve a uniform quotation style is through the use of templates, I think. I've done that (not consistently, though -- sigh...), when working on math-related articles. How about using a uniform template for books/scholarly articles/newspaper articles/etc in Romanian-related articles? I'm willing to participate in a discussion on this, if anyone else is interested. I know all sorts of templates for quotations are available, it's just a matter of choosing the "right" one, perhaps with some tweaks, and then sticking to it. Turgidson15:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In some articles I've contributed (e.g. Getae) I've used WP:CITET. I'd like very much to use them thoroughly if other editors agree. I do not see at this time any reason why would we need a template specific for Romanian-related articles. It can be a question of aesthetics, though, maybe some people are used with slighly different looking footnotes and references. Daizus16:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that sounds good. That page is a bit too long and detailed (kind of scary-looking!) for the casual editor, though -- it may be good to have a summary with only, say, 3 basic examples, tailored to the subject at hand (Romanian history, in this case), and referring to the full discussion there for those who need further info. I'll practice a bit with this format, see how it goes, and perhaps someone can give a short summary later on on the notice board? Turgidson16:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, to go back to what I was saying: even on WP:CITET there are 4 different styles of how to possibly quote a newspaper article. They are kind of similar, but have slight variations, most notably, on where to put the date. I personally prefer at the end, and that's also what Dahn and others have been doing, quite consistently. The other issue is how to write names -- my biggest turnoff with these templates is that they use something like Andersen, David, whereas I normally use David Andersen. But I'd go with consensus if need be. At any rate, this is what I meant by that there should be a little bit of a discussion on how to implement these templates -- date placement and name order are two of the pesky little issues that need to be resolved first. :) Turgidson16:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
how about mentioning the fact that the true name of this Soviet agent, son of an Ukrainian father and German mother, was Bodnariuk?Icar09:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a new article about him. Can we import the picture from there? It's a picture of a historical personality that died years ago, the picture is most likely public domain or cover by fair use, is anyone here versed in picture licenses? -- AdrianTM05:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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