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Agree to merge with Leul Abate - similar aricles do exist where a seperate article is justified - however in this instance I don't believ that there is enough info on Leul Abate to warrant a seperate article. -- Rehnn83Talk10:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't agree: The incident described in the main article was third(!) hijacking Capt. Abate experienced. It is rather unusual for a pilot to be hijacked three times in his lifetime. I don't have any details about the first two hijackings. But maybe someone will come up with this information, and then the "Leul Abate" article would make sense. Gugerell17:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't agree: Few other aviators ever accomplished this great feat of flying. Capt. Abate deserves his own article. Anonymous
Merge. Do not see any further expansion of this bibliography. Noting the other two hijackings, are there any sources on that? Furthermore, this article repeats the same information described in the airliner incident. KyuuA406:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't agree: I have fleshed out this article to be more about Abate's experiences during the hijacking and his previous two hijacking attempts. It should be fairly distinct from the EA Flight 961 article now. I will continue to find more research into Abate to get some background information. Wackjum18:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Again, there has been no expansion of his article. The only information in his article that wouldn't fit in this article is his birth year. Every other piece of information is detailing the incident, or is related enough (his other hijackings) that it could easily be mentioned in this article. If anything, he could have his own subsection of this article. Either way, while that article focuses on his experience in this incident... it's still documenting this incident, not his life. TheHYPO (talk) 06:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot04:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there someone with a subscription to Highbeam research? I want to know the name of the third hijacker of Ethiopian 961[edit]
According to Debka.com, the hijacking was aimed to kill 5 heads of Israeli Defence Industries (IWI), and an american secret agent named Leslie Shed, head of the CIA's Addis Abbeba station
On the face of it -- no. A hijacking by three idiots who thought the plane could make Australia. However, hidden beneath this obvious interpretation is a whole second secret layer of meaning -- no, and it's a very specious claim. While it does have a vague resemblance to al-Qaida attacks (idiots with a pretty poor understanding of reality killing a lot of people on the basis of massive ignorance), al-Qaida didn't declare war on America until 1997 IIRC. MartinSFSA (talk) 10:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, of course it is the easiest way to blame the hijackers as well as other terrorists as idiots and to stop every discussion this way. However, I have doubts that the hijackers did not know the limited fuel would never bring them to Australia. Otherwise, it is also easy always to blame al-Qaeeda was responsible for this or that attack all over the world. --Roksanna (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The introduction appears to state that the plane was hijacked during the Addis-Nairobi leg of the multistage flight. Why does it then subsequently claim that the hijackers took over the plane when it entered Ethiopian airspace ?? On a flight from Addis to Nairobi, surely it would be leaving Ethiopian airspace.Eregli bob (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So, we have an image of the hijacked plane from several years before the crash - and we have images of the plane during its crash landing - so why is the top image for the article if a "similar" plane? Why not have the crash landing images there? Ego White Tray (talk) 03:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
One thing that would greatly improve the article is a map showing (1). The maximum range of a fully fueled 767 from the point of departure. (2). The maximum range of a 767 as actually fueled from the point of departure.Graham1973 (talk) 06:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Uncited note of an appearence of the crash on an American TV show:
...and also appeared in the documentary Out of the Wreckage - Plane Crash Survivors, which features crashes that were caught on camera and with survivors.[citation needed]
Placed here until a citeable reference for the fact can be found.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Graham1973 (talk • contribs)
I've marked the "The hijackers said that there were eleven of them when in fact there were only three" claim as needing sources. This is not mentioned in <ref name="AirDisaster" /> Maybe 123.243.122.42 (talk·contribs), which seems to be much more familiarised with the Mayday episode than me, can check whether this stuff is mentioned there. Thanks.--JetstreamerTalk12:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
On the merge proposal of Leul Abate into this article[edit]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
I'd tend to agree with the merger, but only after Leul Abate is appropriately sourced. The crash article is much better sourced than the other one. For the time being I say no.--JetstreamerTalk00:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Regarding this, I explained my edit reasoning in my edit summary ([1]), but can repeat it here. It removed two links to other useful articles, plus it is perfectly valid to use notes in articles. What's wrong with it? BTW, reverting is not a fun for me.--JetstreamerTalk17:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Given that there has been no replies to my comment above. I'll be reverting the edit in question in a week or so unless otherwise specified.--JetstreamerTalk00:01, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to the seat map: The three cabin crew in the front died. In the back two cabin crew survived while the other two died.
PASSENGER SURVIVORS according to the passenger manifest:
::7C
8A, 8B, 8F
9A, 9F, 9G
10G
13D
14E
22C, 22D
23C, 23E
24C, 24E, 24F
25C, 25D, 25E, 25G
26D, 26E, 26F, 26G
27E, 27F, 27G
28B, 28F, 28G
29G
31E, 31D
32D
33C, 33D, 33E, 33F, 33G
34C, 34D, 34E, 34F
The four "N" seats are 26D, 33F, 34D, 34E. The other survivors are "S" seats. The seats not having survivors are either unoccupied (Blank) or fatality seats (Marked with an "F").
Fatality seats
:1A, 1E, 1G
2A, 2C
7A, 7B
8C
10C, 10E
11A, 11B, 11C, 11D, 11E, 11F, 11G
12A, 12C, 12D, 12E, 12F, 12G
13A, 13B, 13C, 13F, 13G
14A, 14B, 14C, 14D, 14F, 14G
17A, 17C, 17D, 17E, 17F, 17G
18A, 18B, 18C, 18D, 18E, 18F, 18G
19A, 19B, 19C, 19D, 19E, 19F, 19G
20A, 20B, 20C, 20D, 20E, 20F, 20G
21A, 21B, 21C, 21D, 21E*, 21F, 21G
22A, 22B, 22E, 22F, 22G
23A, 23B, 23D, 23F, 23G
24A, 24B, 24D, 24G
25A, 25B**, 25F
26A, 26B
27A, 27D
28A, 28C, 28D, 28E
29A, 29B, 29F
30A, 30B, 30C, 30D, 30E, 30F, 30G
31A, 31B**, 31C, 31F, 31G
32A, 32B, 32C**, 32F, 32G
33A, 33B
34A, 34B, 34G
=Same seat listed twice on the manifest for two different passengers
=Hijacker's seat
NOTES A: Ethiopian Airlines seems to have marked 22C, 22D, 25G, and 34E as unoccupied seats (blank) on the seat map, but the manifest says they were occupied by survivors
NOTES B: Ethiopian Airlines seems to have marked 7F, 9C, 9E, and 10B as survivor seats (S) on the seat map, but I haven't found passengers in those seats on the manifest.
EXPLANATION for A and B: I understand why the discrepancy is in place. The passengers for 22C and 22D were Frank "Pancho" Huddle and his wife Chanya "Pom" Huddle. Huddle says he got a last minute upgrade to business class - So I think what happened was that the four seats were economy class passengers upgraded to business class at the last minute. In that case, please in case of a conflict between the passenger manifest and seat map, use the seat map
Possibly the cabin crew may have occupied some of the other seats: the jet only shows seven cabin crew seats but there were nine cabin crew on the flight
NOTE C: The manifest stated that the hijackers had occupied seats 25B, 31B, and 32C. AFAIK they were NOT in their seats when the plane crashed (at the time they were fighting the pilots and/or standing guard outside). But I don't think it was an error to show their seats as fatalities on the seat map.
NOTE D: The map stated that 7D and 29E had fatalities but I did not see a 7D or a 29E in the passenger fatalities manifest
NOTE E: The same seat is listed twice on the manifest for a fatality: 21E: Ahmed Ibrahim (Egypt) and 21E: CE Grace (Nigeria)
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