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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations" was the most expensive single ever produced in its time, requiring over 90 hours of recorded tape?
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InThe Wrecking Crew (2008 film), Brian Wilson states outright that "Carol played on 'Good Vibrations'," and all sources seem to agree she was on at least some of the sessions. On the other hand, the only source currently cited to oppose her claim is the smileysmile.net message board, which does not appear to be affiliated with anyone involved in the recording. Does anyone have a better source to say one way or the other? Apparently the liner notes for The Smile Sessions contain a detailed session list, so maybe that would do it if anyone has a copy to check. 192.251.46.111 (talk) 17:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
While doing some further research on this, I stumbled on the source currently cited for Ray Pohlman's bass credit. The full quote, in context, reads:
This is stating that Pohlman (and Knechtel) played on "Here Today," and comparing the arrangement of that track to "Good Vibrations." I do not believe it necessarily means the same players were on both tracks; it is ambiguous at best. I'm not going to change the credits myself because I don't want to give the appearance of edit warring. However, if we are going to require reliable, verifiable sources for each individual credit, we should subject them all to the same level of scrutiny, and I don't feel that this citation is any stronger than those that have been offered for Carol Kaye.
Related: Is there a manual of style guideline for recording personnel credits? Perhaps we should—pending verification of a definitive source—simply list known credits for all sessions, and indicate in the text that it is uncertain which ones made the final mix? 192.251.46.111 (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, all this original research does factor in the discussion (WP:CONTEXTMATTERS). As soon as I can get a look at what exactly the liner notes say, it should be the only source used in the section, simply for the fact that Slowinski's informed assessment renders everybody else's 50-year-old recollections and/or parroting-what-other-people-have-told-them as null. Maybe @Andrew G. Doe: has a copy of the liner notes with him to settle this?--Ilovetopaint (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, WP:ONESOURCE is about articles which only use one source to demonstrate notability. It has nothing to do with using a single source to verify a statement. In most cases, you only ever need one.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Throughout the article, there are references to what the recording costs would be in today's dollars. We should specify a year, is it 2016 dollars, or an earlier year? Tidewater 2014 (talk) 19:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
{{Inflation}}
. You are right though, apparently, a year is supposed to be specified by {{Inflation-year|US}}
.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]I just gave the article a quick read-through and light copy edit: [5]. I mean no disrespect to the reviewer, but I have to say, I'm really surprised this article made GA last month. There are still failed verification tags (in the Sessionography box) and there's a mix of styles for online retrieval dates: written out in dmy and mdy formats; in numerals; or with no retrieval dates at all. There's information that's not sourced – e.g. the first two paragraphs under Release history. (Well, there's a dead link to a Record Store Day page, but did that really support statements re Smiley Smile and Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of The Beach Boys?)
Also, there are a few details sourced to "Gigs66"/Esquarterly.com (currently ref #46) that don't stand up to scrutiny. For example, at the start of Development, almost nothing in "but on its master tape, Wilson distinctly states "'Good Vibrations' ... take one." After twenty-six takes, a rough mono mix completed the session. Some additional instruments and rough guide vocals were overdubbed on March 3." is given on the Gigs66 page, as far as I can see. At the end of Development's para 3, there's no source at all for the statement "In the meantime, he worked on writing and recording material for the group's forthcoming album, Smile." Those are some examples I noticed from skimming through pretty quickly, and I think the prose could do with some polish. (For instance, again under Development, "The original version of "Good Vibrations" contained the characteristics of a "funky rhythm and blues number" and would not yet resemble a "pocket symphony"" – whose descriptions are these?) It also seemed to me that names and terms weren't always linked at the first mention.
I was going to add a range of tags but I think they just deface the page. It would be good if someone could give the article a pretty thorough check … JG66 (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm moving this table here until better sources can be found:
Session date | Used | Distinction | Studio | Note(s) |
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February 17 | Partial | "#1–Untitled" | Gold Star Studios | Pet Sounds session; only verse backing track in final mix[failed verification] |
March 3 | "Good Vibrations" | United Western Recorders | Pet Sounds session; vocal overdubs | |
April 9 | "Good Vibrations" | Gold Star Studios | Pet Sounds session | |
May 4 | ? | "First chorus" |
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"Second chorus" | "First episode" in final mix[failed verification] | |||
"Fade" |
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May 24 | ? | "Parts 1–4" | Sunset Sound Recorders |
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May 25 | "Good Vibrations" |
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May 27 | "Part C" | United Western Recorders |
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? | "Chorus" |
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? | "Fade Sequence" |
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June 2 (1) | ? | (Inspiration) "Parts 1–4" |
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June 2 (2) | ? | (Inspiration) "Parts 1–4" |
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June 12 | ? | (Inspiration) "Parts 1–4" |
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June 16 (1) | "Part 1" | This session was filmed | ||
"Part 2" | ||||
"Part 3" | ||||
June 16 (2) | "Verse" | This session was filmed | ||
June 18 | "Part 1" |
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"Part 2" |
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August 24 | "Good Vibrations" | Sunset Sound Recorders | Overdubs and early mix | |
August ?? | "Good Vibrations" | CBS Columbia Square | Vocal overdubs, between August 24 and September 1 | |
August ?? | "Good Vibrations" | |||
September 1 | (Persuasion) | United Western Recorders | A session may have also occurred for "He Gives Speeches". | |
"New Bridge" | "Second episode" in final mix[failed verification] | |||
September ?? | ? | "Good Vibrations" | Editing | |
September 12 | ? | "Good Vibrations" | CBS Columbia Square | Vocal overdubs; filming |
September 21 | "Good Vibrations" | Vocal and theremin overdubs; final mixdown; filming |
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The presence or absence of a theremin in this piece is an ongoing dueling point among music-nerds worldwide, and I'm afraid this article demonstrates the hash that a dozen-odd music-nerds can make of a crowd-sourced encyclopedia entry about it. After 18 clear references to a "theremin" (OK, 17 clear references and one implication), with only about a third of the long article to go, we encounter this line:
"Even though the song does not technically contain a theremin, 'Good Vibrations' is the most frequently cited example of the instrument in pop music."
Huh? (Also, I remind you that you've already told me 17 1/2 times that it does contain a theremin.)
I'm not going to stir this pot, but I'd just like to point out that we have a problem here. For the record, I'm an antithereminite. The instrument in question is properly an Electro-Theremin, which is not in fact a theremin, for the same reason a piano is not a harp even though it does have one inside it. But I ain't tryin' to whack that hornet's nest.
Perhaps someone haler than I can strip out all the unqualified references to "theremin" and add a clear, unequivocal line at the first reference of "theremin", acknowledging the confusion, explaining it, and boldly pointing out that there is, in fact, no theremin in Good Vibrations. I suspect this article is being referenced wherever combative music-nerds meet (it's how I ended up here) and as written, it is at present not contributing to the cause of world peace. Laodah 03:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Let's Go Away for Awhile is mentioned as the B side of Good Vibrations, but I believe this was only in the US. I remember Wendy being the B side in the UK, & this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_(song) suggests this was the case everywhere outside of the US, so it would be good if this was referenced in the main page for Good Vibrations.
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"Good Vibrations" was not an extraordinarily expensive single because it had all sorts of bells & whistles that were considered state-of-the-art for 1966, it was expensive because of how much time was invested in getting its performance and arrangement right. There is no act today that could record a song in their bedroom and have it come out like "Good Vibrations". You have to be in a professional studio space working with actual humans and magnetic tape. However, today it's much easier for artists to plan out their arrangements with software. If Wilson was able to hear his completed arrangements before entering the studio, then certainly it would have saved a lot of recording time, which means less hourly costs.
But actually, that was never the point. The reason to note inflation is to acknowledge the fact that $50,000 had over 7x more value in 1966 than it does in 2017. It does not suggest that you still need $300k to make a record like this in 2017. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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There exists video footage of some of the recording sessions, which show not just Mike, Carl and Brian participating in providing vocals, but also Al, Dennis and Bruce in the backing. It's obvious they all appear on the final song as their voices can be heard (the chorus alone has nine distinct vocal lines). Does this footage suffice as a source, or does it need to be written down somewhere? CityFeedback talk 22:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
fyi I have used audio recordings as references (for instance, radio interviews), would not hesitate to use video evidence as well. Of course, always waiting to get shot down, but how else do we make progress?Tillywilly17 (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I watched video, two witnesses nowTillywilly17 (talk) 04:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
[6] I think this is the right source interpretation but I'd appreciate if someone else could look at it and fix or change if appropriate. Thanks. 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 (talk) 02:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Differences/similarities between original and 2004 Brian Wilson version of Good Vibrations? 2600:1700:5F20:5E40:D463:52EA:1C0D:228B (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both Al and Bruce are credited with backing and harmony vocals in the smile sessions booklet/sessionography. If you want to see it, this link has the booklet free to view on page 13. https://archive.org/details/the-beach-boys-the-smile-sessions-book-small-pages-deleted/page/n12/mode/1up?view=theater — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.251.66.182 (talk) 18:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Good Vibrations's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "GIGS66":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Glen claims to have played guitar on this record and some sources confirm this, while other sources say he was absent for the recording and giving that he's not listed in this article, does anyone have more info on this? 2601:242:8200:A970:3D2C:682F:94BE:F87 (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]