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From what I've seen, this vandal is probably either Wyatt2049 or My Royal Young. Unfortunately, if it's the latter, the abuse will be much more difficult to combat (not least because the involvement of MRY means that the ranges recently blocked involve Proxy/VPN abuse). As of this writing, in addition to the IPv6 range I've mentioned above (which is probably a range of Wyatt2049), the abuse has originated from 5 IPv4 IP ranges: 90.255.128.0/17, 90.253.64.0/18, 90.240.0.0/18, 92.41.16.0/20 (relatively inactive), and 90.254.160.0/19 (not quite as active). The recent spree of sock accounts were probably made from other IP ranges (almost definitely Open Proxy or VPN networks). All of the given ranges are currently on my watchlist. At this point, I can't rule out copycat vandalism, which would imply that at least 2 separate vandals are involved. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After following on some leads relating to a couple of BornAgain socks, I believe that this person could be EvlekisorWikinger (if impersonation/imitation is involved here). The IPv6 range is very likely Wyatt2049, while the LTA operating from the other IPv4 ranges could be Evlekis, so we may be dealing with 2 LTAs regarding this serial vandalism campaign. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Why can't we mention Hurricane Eta in the "See Also" section?
71.244.146.180, 12:26 PM EST, 16 November 2020
I agree since Hurricane Eta also hit in the similar place a week ago.
There's a special note on the "See Also" section when you edit the source saying, 'Do not add Hurricane Eta as that storm will be HEAVILY referenced and linked in this article.' JCesar, 14:39 GMT-4, 16 November 2020
The See Also section in an article is there for germane wikilinks that aren't already in the text. Hurricane Eta is already linked in the body of the article, which was inevitable. Therefore, it should not go in See Also. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I believe we should. Is it mentioned Iota was the last developing category 5? That it was the 2nd major hurricane in November? First 30th named storm? These are all records that must be mentioned. And it will likely set more records later, though we never know. HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 19:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think a records section would be appropriate. Iota [set the record] for fastest pressure drop in one hour (10mb) and tied 2005's record for most total depressions and storms, along with everything HurricaneTracker mentioned. Additional records seem feasible. IMO, trying to add all records to the met history section will make it bloated and less readable. 63.229.224.41 (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I'm open to a records section once there are around five meaningful records that aren't included elsewhere or are very obvious, unlike "Iota is the first 30th named storm. Currently, there are 2 meaningful records: Iota led 2020 to have 2 Nov majors, and Iota had the fastest mbar drop. ~Destroyeraa🌀19:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
let's wait for the sources. Keep in mind it could always weaken to a category 4 or make a sudden swerve to the north before landfall. (It could also swerve south and be the southernmost category 5 on record). --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say the fourth important record is that Iota has the strongest winds at landfall of any November hurricane in the Atlantic. Don't really get why y'all want five non-trivial records before a separate section can be made, as even the weirdest storms seem unlikely to break five records at a time, but there's the fourth. BagelRabbit (talk) 04:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Destroyeraa: The total number of records isn't what matters. What matters is whether these can be covered in reliable sources. By the way, having them mentioned in the lead is not a valid reason to not have this kind of section; MOS:LEAD dictates that the lead summarize the rest of the article, which in particular means that anything mentioned in the lead gets mentioned further down. I think we can have such a section, but also, as per MOS:USEPROSE, it should not be in list format.--Jasper Deng(talk)05:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's currently an anonymous vandal trying to "claim" that the storm will become post-tropical in 30 minutes, and an all-out editing war has been going back-and-forth for some time now, clogging up the edit history. At this point, the page really needs some protections on it. Triclops Queen (talk) 21:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Triclops Queen: It's one IP who will probably be blocked soon. However, this exact problem has been a recurring issue. I not only second this, but I suggest preemptive semi-protection on any further tropical cyclone articles going forward, at least for this year. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember, it was a different IP address when this happened on Hurricane Eta a few weeks back. No clue if it's the same person using different IPs, and I was recommended to add the protection request here. I second the semi-protection request you mentioned, especially for those that can cause particularly severe damage to the area. Triclops Queen (talk) 21:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I found some reference from this website that it could likely follow Eta's track, and that would possibly hit Florida and the Carolinas, just like what Eta did. And the hurricane is already a category 5. I'm also predicting that Iota would also hit Florida as either a Category 1 or Category 2 hurricane.
I have some evidence like this:
Forecasters warned that Iota could power up quickly, to major hurricane strength, as it approaches Central America late Sunday or Monday, and wreak more havoc in a region where people are still grappling with the aftermath of Eta.Seventyfiveyears (talk)00:03, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the source again carefully, nowhere does it state that Iota is heading for the US. In fact, that is quite impossible given the strong ridging over the southeast US and that Iota's dissipating over Central America as I'm typing this. That source also happens to be three days old, and in view of the transience of the weather, is quite outdated. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 13:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is also a high pressure system dominating the US right now, so Iota won't be going to the US unless that high pressure moves. Also Iota is rapidly weakening over Central America as I'm typing. HurricaneGeek {talk}
I can't help but noticing the track image in the meteorological history section seems to be wrong - NHC had it as a Cat 5 for much longer than a Cat 4. According to the image, it only briefly obtained Cat 5 intensity, whereas looking at the archive at NHC, it was a Cat 5 for 9 hours. Why do they differ? What do other people think? Bellminsterboy (talk) 00:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bellminsterboy: Those maps are based on the best track data, which I believe are located here (correct me if I am wrong) and may differ from the intensities issued during advisories. The forecast discussion issued for 4:00 p.m. EST/21:00 UTC on November 16 did state that the estimate of category 5 intensity might be generous, and the best track data only shows category 5 intensity at 12:00 UTC. So this portion of the track appears to have been downgraded. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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edit: add hurricane Eta to the paraphraph on the bottom of the article next to hurricane Mitch and Felix, as it has devastated a smillar area just two weeks prior Ikethecatto (talk) 07:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not done There is an invisible comment to not add Hurricane Eta to the see also section, as it is linked and referenced heavily throughout the main article. Skarmory(talk)09:03, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is a problem of interpretation for the death toll in Mexico. The reference cited in the text keep referring to Iota AND Eta. For Mexico it states: "Civil Protection reporting a cumulative death toll of 30 people and nearly 297,000 people affected across Chiapas, Tabasco and Veracruz". I think that the cumulative of 30 death is for both hurricanes, not for Iota alone. Since there is 27 death with Eta, the number of deaths for Iota in Mexico should be only 3. This would be more logical since Iota passed very far from Mexico. Furthermore, I cannot find any other article talking about deaths with Iota in Mexico.
The report about a wind measurement by a ham radio operator in "Wilbi" was copied from an NHC discussion published during the storm. It appears to be a typo. As can be clearly seen by a Google search, "Wilbi" is a common misspelling for Bilwi, the Miskito name for Puerto Cabezas. I cannot find any evidence for the existence of a town called "Wilbi" in northeastern Nicaragua. Puerto Cabezas was very near the epicenter of both Eta and Iota at landfall. It is the only town anywhere nearby, except for a handful of tiny villages that don't have electricity. It seems pretty clear that the report must have been from Bilwi, and that either the ham radio operator or NHC made this typo in the heat of the moment. There is no source for the statement "as the storm moved further inland"; it was probably a guess by the original poster who could not find anything called "Wilbi" near the coast. I am changing it. If you find any believable evidence that the report did not come from Bilwi, please post it here before changing it back. StormWillLaugh (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why not the most important related hurricanes in "See Also"?
Someone wrote the following comment in the "See Also" section:
<!-- Do not add Hurricane Eta or the 1932 Cuba Hurricane as those are already linked to in the main text.-->
Why not? Those are by far the most relevant other hurricanes; almost everyone interested in Iota will want to click on those. Why make them scour the text looking for a buried link?
StormWillLaugh (talk) 15:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TornadoLGS: Ah I see, thanks. After reading through that controversy, I understand better what's bothering me here. Only the first two links really belong in "See Also". The rest should be a separate section above it titled something like "Similar Hurricanes". Then it would make sense to include also the two most important ones. What do you think? StormWillLaugh (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not done Article itself says it's too early to calculate damage; unsure what "dolares" they're talking about - 10 billion lempiras equals 411 million USD. ~Destroyeraa🌀15:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reopen the request. I translate the text into English:
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Although it is still too early to quantify the damage caused by tropical storms Iota and Eta, the most conservative estimates indicate that they could be estimated at 10 billion dollars, approximately 245 thousand 504.8 million lempiras, according to the current exchange rate.
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Dollars (Dólares in Spanish) are referring to US dollar. However, this is not the official damage, thus I slightly change the wording. Damage in Honduras due to Iota was estimated at 120 billion lempiras (US$5 billion).([3] L245-125 billion)--137.189.204.7 (talk) 15:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the IP here, it's definitely mentioned that combined the storms caused 10 billion USD in damage. It also says right below it that 5 billion USD by each is the estimated total:
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Those versed in economics and finance estimate that meteor Eta and cyclone Iota have caused damages of 5 billion each of these natural phenomena.
Not done Wait until the AON report comes out at the beginning of December. It's the most trusted source. ~Destroyeraa🌀13:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Rewrite Together Eta and Iota have killed around 100 Hondurans and local analysts estimate the damage will cost the country more than 10 billion dollars (L244.1 billion). 10 billion damage of Honduras is the total of Eta and Iota. Since 5 billion damage is due to Eta, then another 5 billion damage is related to Iota 137.189.220.98 (talk) 03:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. The hurricanes hit so close together that damage could be impossible to tell which hurricane it's from, and the damage estimate of 5 billion in Eta isn't a finalized number either. Skarmory(talk)04:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I will also point out there's a discussion in the above section of the talk page that goes over basically the same thing, but with better sourcing. Skarmory(talk)04:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We take intensities from the NHC, not news networks. Any intensity changes will have to wait until the TCR comes out. BT data still shows a peak of 140 kts. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:29, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Though, the NHC says that Iota weakened to a high end Category 4 just before making landfall, but the image says that Iota was briefly a Category 5.
🌀HurricaneGeek🌀 {talk} 11:56, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Its seems there is an inconsistency in the cost of damages in Nicaragua : 352.5 million in the text and 564 million in the table. Which one is right? According to the reference, the higher number in the table seems to me for the cost for Eta AND Iota, not for IOTA.
@Byralaal: Don't blame me, I am just reporting an inconsistency in the article. The reference I am citing is the one in in the text of the article and the table, not what the IP 219.78.190.56 is claiming as the source. I am not making any calculation with your references, my Spanish is not that great. I am just asking that someone do and place consistent data in the text and table. Pierre cb (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pierre cb I'm not blaming you, sorry if you got offended. Just only showing the citations the users are using for the article need to be verified. Don´t follow news source (refering to the IP user), follow official sources. I´m not active since I retired editing on wiki 6 years ago.--🌀 Byralaal (+505-chat-toMe) 19:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First loop. The second loop does not show as well how the eye became better-defined. @HurricaneGeek and TFESS: Also, the second loop is very emphatically not a radar loop. GOES-16 uses no radar capabilities. It was just taken using a camera that sees in the infared spectrum. @Byralaal: Neither loop shows anything about the internal structure of the storm; for that, you need microwave imagery, Doppler radar, or simple in-situ visual observations by Hurricane Hunter crews.--Jasper Deng(talk)19:22, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi guys this is User:Wikihelp7586(talk) the reason why I put the first satellite loop back on the main page is because there's copyright issues with the second satellite loop and that loop is at risk of being deleted within the next few days other than that there's nothing wrong with that satellite loop no hard feelings to 🌀HurricaneGeek🌀{talk ⋅ contribs}}. 21:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That was a discrepancy from the Tropical Cyclone Report results from the National Hurricane Center that Hurricane Iota has just been downgraded to Category 4 with a slight decrease in peak wind speed by 5 mph (5 knots) but a slightly lower pressure by 3 mbar (920 --> 917) that made the storm a little more intense. We should keep Iota a category 5 storm for now with the initial peak wind speed of 160 mph (140 kt), which the latest result from the TCR was an unfortunate downgrade for us in terms of wind speed recalculation and accuracy. It was the latest category 5 hurricane on record that it was originally thought by forecasters. If Iota was downgraded, this broke the streak of at least one Category 5 hurricane in each season consecutively since 2016. Since 2020 was the most active hurricane season in total number of storms, I thought we may still have a Category 5 storm during the season, which Iota have peaked out at it! (Trivially, we also had Iota the first and only Greek letter to be a Category 5 storm, as in the case they stopped using Greek alphabet to name storms after the 2020 season.) Can we put Iota back at category 5, or keep the latest significant change at category 4? This will be a possible consensus for a downgrade discrepancy. I don't know why Iota was downgraded from category 5 to category 4? --Allen(talk / ctrb)04:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The TCR is considered definitive over advisories. We've changed the ratings of plenty of storms before based on TCRs. We shouldn't keep it as a cat 5. TornadoLGS (talk) 04:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The map plotting the storm's track and intensity needs to be updated because Category 5 hurricanes are labeled purple, Category 4 hurricanes are labeled red, and Category 3 hurricanes are labeled dark orange. The Corvette ZR1 (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]