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The section on Lister's early years is a little confusing at times. Could it be made clearer? It speaks of his father, but at times it is hard to tell if his father or Lister himself is being spoken of. It mentions his mother and then the next sentence is "the couple" had their last child in 1855. I assume this is in regard to Lister Jr. and his wife, but it follows right after talking about his mother and just previous to that about his father and the microscope and all. Could this be edited and cleared up? Thanks! 172.58.123.28 (talk) 13:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I removed reference to the Listerine mouthwash in the first paragraph, not because it's incorrect or shouldn't be mentioned, but because it appeared like it was an achievement for which he should be remember for. It's like leading an article on Einstein with a mention that the dog in "Back To The Future" was named after him, factually correct, but out of place trivia.
What date was he born in?
joseph lister was born in 1827
I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arctofeatured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 18:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is a near identical claim made on the wikipedia page for William Stewart Halstad.
joe is a poo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.198.63 (talk) 18:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that somebody, interested in this page, could insert an external link to the following page describing, with pictures, some Joseph Lister’s memories: http://himetop.wikidot.com/joseph-lister
I don’t do it myself because I’m also an Administrator of this site (Himetop) and it could be a violation of the Wikipedia Conflict of Interest policy. Thanks for your attention.
Luca Borghi (talk) 10:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have started to add information for s:Author:Joseph Lister. Something of specific interest is the seminal paper s:On the Antiseptic Principle of the Practice of Surgery. More to be added. -- billinghurst (talk) 12:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
excuse me but you keep deleting useful information that the people want to. for example: kids doing assignments. i have added useful information and you have deleted it. 124.183.199.186 (talk) 02:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Thank you 124.183.199.186 (talk) 03:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.199.186 (talk) 02:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
May be worth adding something here: One of the first reports of adverse effects of chemicals on healthcare workers was the use of carbolic acid (phenol) sprays by Lister (Newsom, 2003), who stated “…as regards the spray, I feel ashamed that I should have even recommended it…”. He abandoned its use in 1889 after recognising the hazard.
Newsom SWB. Pioneers in infection control--Joseph Lister. Journal of Hospital Infection 2003;55(4):246-53. 21:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deeuubee (talk • contribs)
"Lister disappears into germ theory's prehistory, and is merely 'the English disciple' of Pasteur, a role in which, it must be said, he cast himself. As a result, the nature of the first crucial meeting between science and medicine is scarcely explored and its character is systematically misunderstood. ... Lister's work is hopelessly underestimated if one takes at face value his own unduly modest suggestion that it followed straightforwardly from reading Pasteur. To make the leap that Lister made [and it may have been the biggest leap in medicine so far] you needed to be a microscopist (to have seen all the invisible creatures in the air), a bacteriologist (to understand that every operation was a bacteriological experiment), and a surgeon, accustomed to struggling with sepsis." (David Wootton, 2006: Bad Medicine -- Doctors doing harm since Hippocrates, pp. 229, 239) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.2.161.4 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article seems to say that Lister heard about new research, applied the techniques, which were successful -- scientific method. That quote seems to say Lister figured it all out. This isn't to diminish Lister's work, but like Fleming's discovery of penicillin, he stood on shoulders of giants. In that article, Lister is said to have cured a patient's infection with a mold-derived "Penicillium". I'd think that book would focus on toxic dangers of phenols. 68.149.10.39 (talk) 04:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The King had his operation to drain an appendix abscess on 24 June 1902, not August as here described. The King's appendix was not removed.
See Wikipedia articles for Sir Frederick Treeves who performed the operation.
The King's coronation, due to take place on 26 June, was postponed until 9 August.
86.135.112.185 (talk) 19:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Very little info on his personal life, reasonable on his surgery career. Needs references. Ignores any mention of his initial dismissal of the need for cleanliness. Errabee 03:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply] |
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Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to a passing researcher, might be an auction, by Messrs. Christie, Manson & Woods, on 21 May 1912, “The Cellar of Wines of The Right Hon. Lord Lister, deceased, late of 12 Park Crescent, Portland Place, W.” Some of the Ports were bottled by Lister and Beck, seemingly unrelated. (My pictures 21339/40.) JDAWiseman (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I plan to update this article. It only has 6k covering Lister's life, which is drastically too short. I plan to take it up 40k-60k and submit it for GA. scope_creepTalk 17:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
References
"Without such freedom there would have been no Shakespeare, no Goethe, no Newton, no Faraday, no Pasteur and no Lister."
—Albert Einstein's speech on intellectual freedom at the Royal Albert Hall, London after having fled Nazi Germany, 3 October 1933.[1]
for use later. scope_creepTalk 22:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
References
The guardian review of The Butchering Art: Joseph Lister's Quest to Transform the Grisly World of Victorian Medicine, mentions the big four. What were they?? scope_creepTalk 18:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In 1889 he was elected as Foreign member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.
scope_creepTalk 21:20, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
scope_creepTalk 11:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
More than 30 of his early school papers are still preserved.[1]
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I note he has KCVO among his postnominals but no reference in the detailed Awards section as to when he was awarded the Royal Victorian Order (founded 1896 so one is unsure if it was awarded by Queen Victoria or Edward VII). Did he become Sir thereby?Cloptonson (talk) 07:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am planning for about 270k for this article. I seems to be the rough size for these level 4 GA, FA articles. scope_creepTalk 11:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
1812 Joseph Jackson Lister transferred the wine business to 5 Tokenhouse Yard 1818 Married Isabella Harris; they had 3 daughters and 4 sons, of whom one, Joseph Lister, became Baron Lister of Lyme Regis, the famous surgeon, and another, Arthur Lister, became a botanist. c.1822 They moved to Stoke Newington 1824 Proposed an improved design of microscope lens to overcome spherical abberation, which became the state of the art. 1826 Lister bought Upton House, West Ham, where he lived for the rest of his life. [3] scope_creepTalk 20:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
scope_creepTalk 15:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
scope_creepTalk 14:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Scope creep: The issue of The London Gazette announcing Lister's peerage reads in part: "Baron Lister, of Lyme Regis, in the county of Dorset". This indicates that "Baron Lister" alone is the official title of his peerage – everything after the first comma is the territorial designation – so we should have "The Lord Lister" in the infobox; this is not just colloquial or daily usage. Additionally, since Lister was granted a hereditary peerage (despite not having any heirs to inherit it), we should have "1st Baron Lister" in the lead. This parallels exactly what the Wikipedia article on Lord Kelvin uses. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 17:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Papers added to the physiology section in edinburgh may not be physiology papers. scope_creepTalk 01:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Thats not the case. scope_creepTalk 08:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
William Hentry Dobies obit at [4] contains a list for reason. scope_creepTalk
Article that describes the difficulties that Lister had in writing and why he never produced a biography. A section is perhaps needed, a small section. scope_creepTalk 08:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Letter, brmedj06853-0047a Letter listers views on imflammation. Describes his views on imflammation when he stayed. Contrary to Hunter. scope_creepTalk 22:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
scope_creepTalk 20:51, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://archive.org/details/b2493074x/mode/2up?view=theater
scope_creepTalk 08:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
References
Statistics and the British controversy about the effects of Joseph Lister’s system of antisepsis for surgery, 1867–1890. scope_creepTalk 02:28, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/jmh.2008.000270
For three days in November 1859, Lister examined Pus corpuscle from the eye of rabbit as well as blood taken from the heart and arteries.[1]
References
Article on Lister rolls:
Keep for later use possibly? scope_creepTalk 06:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article is on its way. Its take a lot of reading to understand what had been going on between 1865-1867, both to try and understand the papers, which are apparently quite difficult to understand on their own and in order to get the references sorted and read with papers that cover that period. Reading through a lot of very specific references had taken time. scope_creepTalk 09:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1871 Lister prepared an experiment to demonstrate to his students that the air carried organisms that could be killed by heating, he modified four flasks, by extending and drawing their necks into a narrow tube that was bent in at an acute angle. Using three of the flasks in an experiment with the fourth used as the control, he filled each with his own fresh urine. In the control flask the urine quickly became infected with a mould, while the other flasks remained clear and unclouded as the dust and organisms could pass the angular bend."
This is, at best, an unclear description of the experiment. One flask should have easy access (no neck) for air-borne organisms to access the flask, the long recurved neck is supposed to prevent them from contaminating the other flasks by gravity preventing access. Both types are, however, open to the air. 157.231.151.76 (talk) 08:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An address on the Antiseptic System of Treatment in Surgery. (Medico-Chirurgical Society of Glasgow, 2 May 1868.) British medical Journal, 1868, 2, 53-6 (18 July): 101-2 (1 August); 461-3 (31 October); 515-7 (14 November). Manuscript with related notes, mainly autograph: R.C.S. 33 Observations on Ligature of Arteries on the Antiseptic System. The Lancet, 3.
So urine experiment described in the paper above was started on October 1867. p55 vol II of collected papers. One of several experiments in that paper. scope_creepTalk 22:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
to finish. scope_creepTalk 23:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why errors were restored to the article. The work is by Cheyne W. Watson not W. Watson Watson, and the ref needs to use |last= not |first=. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 22:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Scope creep: You broke a wiki link while manually reverting your bold experiment with unusual spelling (preventitive? really?). I fixed the link, and you reverted that. Could you explain what is this you are doing? Also you removed a wiki link allegedly "for moment until article is fixed". Could you explain how this is supposed to help fixing anything? Thanks. Retimuko (talk) 18:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This time, stimulation of the section had no effect except when the section would spontaneously contract. The experiment enabled Lister to conclude: " Still to finish this and marker removed. scope_creepTalk 07:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
scope_creepTalk 19:42, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]