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Origin of name[edit]

InDocuments in Mycenaean Greek by John Chadwick & Michael Ventris, the toponym RI-JO (ῥίον) is defined as the ancient Mycenaean name for the modern town of Koroni. k. da-ma-te (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Omission of Albanians from the history of Koroni[edit]

I am opening this new section because I believe the Ottoman and Modern Period section of this article presents a deeply unbalanced view of the history of Koroni, fully omitting the role of Albanians in anti-Ottoman efforts, despite the abundant evidence for it. I had provided some of this evidence in my previous edit, which user Othon I recently undid claiming to have reverted the article to the "stable version", and pointing to RS issues. My edits had been stable since August, however I would like to discuss the quality of the sources I provided rather than start an edit war.

Source 1 - Bade (2007) states that [translated from German] "As Koroni fell to the Turks, Albanian families left Greece with the Spaniards and settled in the Kingdom of Naples, in Barile and Maschito". [1].
Source 2 - Viscardi (2005) states "Successivamente, verso il 1534, quando anche Corone della Morea cadde in mano turca, altri Albanesi vennero ad ingrandire la colonia di Barile ed a popolare Maschito, Ginestra e San Chirico Nuovo", in English "Subsequently, towards 1534, when Koroni of Morea also fell in Turkish hands, other Albanians came to expand the colony of Barile and to populate Maschito, Ginestra and San Chirico Nuovo". [2]
Source 3 - Touring Club Italiano (1999) states "Maschito: beginning in 1467, this town was populated by Albainan refugees. Some still speak the dialect." [3]
Source 4 - Rodota (1763) has pages 54-58 dedicated to the Andrea Doria expedition and the Koroni revolt against the Ottomans, where he explains that after their defeat, the local Albanians were taken to Italy by the admiral, where they settled, among other localities, in Maschito. [4]

I believe that Sources 1 (an encyclopedia), 2 and 3, are both fully reliable as per the guidelines of RS, while Source 4 may be old, however per WP:AGEMATTERS this is also reliable because no new theories or information disputes it. I have to emphasize that all these sources are uncontested and currently in use in the Maschito article. In addition to all these sources, the Albanian ethnicity of the migrants from Koroni is further supported by the fact that Maschito has an Arbereshe population even today. As it is clear the Albanians of Koroni played an important role in the town's resistance to the Ottomans at least until the early 16th century, there is no reason to exclude such information from the article. Most concerning is the fact that this resistance is currently part of the article, yet the Albanians are left unmentioned. This omission is not only unbalanced, but also unfair to the descendants of the Koroni Albanians in Maschito, to Albanians in general, but also to the history of Koroni itself.

I do not claim that my first edit was perfect, and I am willing to rephrase what I had written in a more widely acceptable manner, and to this end I invite Othon I to review the sources. However, the omission of an important part of the history of Koroni from this article has to be remedied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Çerçok (talkcontribs) 15:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Probably something can be included related to the Albanian-speaking population that once lived in Koroni however, the source is very old and is not wp:rs. Additionally, the references 1, 2 and 3 contain information that should go to Maschito because the information are referring to it and not to Koroni otherwise is wp:synthesis. Othon I (talk) 10:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sources 1, 2 and 3 are already in the Maschito article, but they also explicitly mention Koroni so it does not constitute wp:synthesis. I would propose modifying the first part of the section into the following (+ the two original references of the section, which I removed here):
Supported by the local population, the town was retaken by admiral Andrea Doria in 1532, but in the spring of 1533 the Ottomans laid siege to it. Doria was able to relieve the town, prompting Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent to call upon the services of the corsair captain Hayreddin Barbarossa. Barbarossa was aided by the outbreak of plague among the garrison and a particularly harsh winter, and in 1534 the Spanish garrison surrendered the fortress and sailed for Italy. Albanian inhabitants who participated in the revolt travelled with Doria and populated several settlements in the Kingdom of Naples, including Maschito, where the Arbëreshë dialect is still spoken[5][6][7].
I think this is a balanced version which improves the omission of this part of the story but also does not overestimate the Albanian role in the conflict. Çerçok (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since there is no argument against this, and personally this seems reasonable to me, I am adding this version to the article. If anyone disagrees, I invite you to discuss my edit here, rather than force edit the article. Çerçok (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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