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I deleted this. It needs a reference as it is widely held that he was born in Wigan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.84.143 (talk) 22:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(copying from kwami's talk page)

I've just noticed in this edit in May you asserted that /ˈlɪə/ is the pronunciation of "Lear" not "Leah". To my mind, both are pronounced identically (assuming a silent "r"), and my dictionary agrees (Collins Concise Dictionary, 4th ed, 1999, ISBN 0 00 472257 4). Another editor has just deleted the pronunciation altogether. What do you think the difference is? -- Dr Greg  talk  12:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At this point I no longer remember. Do you pronounce the name as one syllable, or as two? Is the e not pronounced the same as in the noun lea?kwami (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've realised now that some people (outside the UK) might pronounce "Leah" as /ˈleɪə/ (like "layer", and as in Star Wars), so that might well have been the confusion. It's a good illustration of the pitfalls of "respelling" compared with unambiguous IPA.

The word is a double syllable. The spelling would suggest a simple /lɪː/, but there is a counter-intuitive extra syllable that I would interpret as /ə/, "LEE-uh". I don't think /ˈlɪːæ/or/ˈlɪæ/ looks right. The pronunciation pretty much rhymes with "beer" but without an "r", which is one of the WP:IPA for English examples. I have gone ahead and restored the pronunciation, but with, I hope, a less ambiguous "respelling". I've found several online references to confirm this pronunciation, but unfortunately none of them could really be regarded as authoritative sources. I know from local knowledge this is the correct pronunciation. -- Dr Greg  talk  21:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I ask is that /ɪə/ can only occur in stressed syllables before present or historic /r/, as in beer. There is also no such thing as /ɪː/ in English. Thus I wonder if the pronunciation might not be /ˈliːə/, rhyming with Crimea or Rhea (and of course Leah). kwami (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you are getting at now. These are pretty subtle differences (it seems to me), but, yes, Crimea is a perfect rhyme for it, and spelled the same way too. I'll go with that. -- Dr Greg  talk  23:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's mostly just a matter of getting it to agree with the key. Once we diverge from that, it can be very difficult to infer which phoneme was meant, e.g. if "a" is supposed to be /æ/ or /ɑː/. kwami (talk) 00:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Crimea, Rhea, Leah, and this place where I used to live all seem to have very similar pronunciation. Astronaut (talk) 00:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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