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Talk:London Agreement on German External Debts

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Hermann J. Abs

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Here, Hermann Josef Abs, during the negotiations the leader of the German delegation, could be mentioned. --129.69.141.80 (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But that article is almost entirely on conceptual artist Hans Haacke. Strange. --129.69.141.80 (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed this section as non-neutral and not relevant. That a few Greek partisan sources are making far fetched comparison is not really relevant. When people make such comparisons, we don't mention them; otherwise the article on Nazis would link to half of the other articles on Wikipedia. See also WP:UNDUE, WP:FRINGE and Wikipedia:Coatrack. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:48, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A number of protesters have been making reference to this, not only in 2015 (but probably ever since the first big crackdown perceived to be Merkel-influenced, in 2010), and not only in Greece, but sometimes also in Spain. As a sourceable somewhat prominent controversy, it should be included... AnonMoos (talk) 14:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Another 16 billion marks represented postwar loans by the U.S." Which war is postwar referring to? I assume both but details of how much of the 16bn is from each would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8108:1E00:1924:1865:1FF6:7CE:B7F3 (talk) 00:52, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The total under negotiation was 16 billion marks of debt resulting from the Treaty of Versailles after World War I which had not been paid in the 1930s, but which Germany decided to repay to restore its reputation. This money was owed to government and private banks in the U.S., France and Britain. Another 16 billion marks represented postwar loans by the U.S. Under the London Agreement, the repayable amount was reduced by 50% to about 15 billion marks and stretched out over 30 years, and compared to the fast-growing German economy were of minor impact."

Is there a source which CLEARLY confirms these numbers? Another issue has been raised regarding these totals. The following text of the same paragraph, issued by me, has a valid reference which clearly confirms the amounts mentioned. Please add a valid source.

Before anybody says that this section is irrelevant or non-neutral, hold your horses. I will state several reasons why I think this section should stay intact.

• This section contains findings of an intensive long-lasting research over Greek and German diplomatic archives.
• The book, officially published by the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs, represents the country's official perspective.
• It is a valid source, in which anyone has access to.
• It is stated that "numerous accusations have been made" therefore, this article isn't clearly supporting this view, just mentions it as a possible fact, therefore it's still neutral.
• It is relevant to the outcome of the Agreement. I personally believe that if any side in any agreement doesn't fulfill it's obligations, it should be mentioned aftermath of the treaty's validity.

Please take into consideration the points mentioned above, before changing anything. Due to the source's validity, this section should be discussed and researched before any change or removal.

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The comments above claim to be the product of research in German and Greek archives but lists one souce, which is also stated to be the official position of the Greek government. That hardly seems balanced or neutral. The section should include a source from the German government or a neutral third party. This BBC article does a good job of describing the issue. Consider the following excerpt: "Berlin paid 115m Deutschmarks to Athens in 1960 in compensation. It was a fraction of the Greek demand but was made with the agreement there would be no more claims. Greece says the 1960 deal did not cover key demands, including payments for damaged infrastructure, war crimes and the return of a forced loan exacted from occupied Greece. Germany insists the issue of compensation was settled in 1990 legally and politically before Germany reunified and has questioned why Greece did not negotiate when it entered the eurozone."^[1]

I recommend expanding the current section to mention the 1960 settlement was made with the agreement there would be no additional claims, as well as touching on the legal settlement in 1990. More specific sources on those agreements would also be ideal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.45.137.48 (talk) 06:01, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]