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The section "Financial Troubles" has the following sentence: "Arriving in September 1893 he took a cheap room at $1.50 per day at The Players Club, which he had to keep until March 1894 meanwhile becoming The Belle of New York." Hilariously, but probably incorrectly, the link associated with The Players Club is to the 1998 movie with Ice Cube. This should probably be fixed, but it will have to be by someone other than me, since the article is locked.2601:B:C580:2D9:CAF7:33FF:FE77:D800 (talk) 02:10, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
For some reason I get the feeling that Twain would have enjoyed that lol Vyselink (talk) 21:06, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
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was Twain truly an "abolitionist," in the strict meaning of the term at the time?
before the Civil War, an "abolitionist" was someone who favored ending slavery immediately, in one fell swoop. there were many people who favored ending slavery, however, who were not "abolitionists." they were gradualists of one kind or another.
among other things, many gradualists feared that the slaves were not prepared for freedom, that because they had never taken care of themselves economically and therefore would suffer if they were suddenly freed. they believed that the slaves needed to be prepared for freedom, or that ending slavery should take place over the course of a generation, that the children of all slaves born after a certain date, for example should be free while the older generations, the parents and grandparents, remained slaves and the responsibility of their masters.
my recollection, although i don't remember where i read it, is that Twain expressed abhorrence at the idea of abolition, in the strict sense.
however, the word and its cognates have come to mean people who simply favored ending slavery.
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Twain joined an irregular militia aligned with the Confederacy until it maneuvers became to exhausting for him and the quit. He sided with the Confederacy in the early part of the war when he was in Nevada, when the war turned towards the Union advantage he switched sides. I do not see how he could support the Confederacy and be an abolitionist. After slavery is abolished by the 13th Amendment no one can become an abolitionist anymore because slavery is abolished. Perhaps Twain thought slavery would slowly die out if the states were allowed to police the matter, but that would not qualify him as an abolitionist. So there seems to be a very small window for him to be an abolitionist beginning when he stops supporting the Confederacy and the passage of the 13th Amendment. I haven't come across anything that would show that he was. -Wowaconia (talk) 16:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
He certainly favored the Confederacy in Nevada, while his brother was a Lincoln supporter he was not - working for a family member does not mean you have the same opinion as that person. Only as the war turned against the Confederacy did he begin to favor the Union. Huckleberry Finn was not written till far later in his life, when his views had changed. See Mark_Twain_in_Nevada#Shifting_sympathies for sources. --Wowaconia (talk) 20:14, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
It is a mistake to think that developing a support for civil rights after the war is the same as an abolitionism. One has to oppose slavery as an ongoing institution to qualify for the term abolitionist. You and I can not qualify regardless of our abhorrence to slavery because its not an ongoing institution anymore. Whatever Twain's opinion on civil rights after slavery was abolished can never raise him to the level of abolitionist. The sources presented in the article linked above show the youthful Twain supported the Confederacy early on, these sources are both notable and reliable. Provide countering sources of the same quality if you think your position has any grounds other than mere opinion.-Wowaconia (talk) 13:58, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Concerning the desire for a source on his changing opinion from pro-Confederacy to Union supporter see such books as The Reconstruction of Mark Twain: How a Confederate Bushwhacker Became the Lincoln of our Literature [books link] ; Mark Twain and the South [books link]. I think you will find that they are considered both reliable and notable by Wikipedia standards.
Scholars hold his autobiography is not concerned about historical accuracy but is more of a hagiography designed (and at points crafted from sheer imagination) to make the author look both humorous and never outside of the morality of the time.
The question at issue is about being an abolitionist and the answer is clearly he wasn't; raising points about his personality after the 13th Amendment is not germane to the question. Not only was Twain not an abolitionist but he voluntarily served militarily for the Confederate cause (dropping out due to hardship not a change of mind). He continued to root for them early on in Nevada before changing to support the Union side - from what looks like opportunism due to social pressure.
In reality Twain was easily in a position to be an abolitionist if he had the convictions to be one; as his brother Orion was an abolitionist [Google books reference provided here].
The tone of my responses comes from the feeling that the endless repeating of Twain's latter positions and the questioning of sources about his earlier ones has nothing to do with Wikipedia standards but are motivated by a desire to preserve a heroic view of Twain's entire life regardless of what historic sources actual say. Twain wasn't an abolitionist he was a Confederate--until the war turned on him. -Wowaconia (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I have provided sources you have deemed that these sources do not fulfill your own person standard and have not made any attempt to say they are disqualified by Wikipedia standards.
The idea that Twain's writings put historical accuracy as less important than making a funny tale is widespread; here are a few of the scholars that came up from a quick search that hold he is more interested in humor rather than historical accuracy: See [Reverend Mark Twain: Theological Burlesque, Form, and Content By Joe B. Fulton];[Twain By Frederick Anderson]; [Twain, Culture and Gender: Envisioning America Through Europe By J. D. Stah]; [Twain's Other Woman: The Hidden Story of His Final Years By Laura Skandera Trombley].
I mentioned his brother Orion because he arose from the same household as Twain and his convictions led him to be an abolitionist, while the claim put forward was that Twain was somehow in a position to never become an abolitionist - in response I put forth a reference showing that it was Twain's will and not his opportunity that kept him from being an abolitionist - as his brother in the same household took the opportunity to become one. The young Twain did not have the conviction that abolitionism was a worthy cause despite being from the same household as his brother. It wasn't a case of opportunity but will.
Twain did have an attachment to the Confederate cause early on, and tried to pass himself off as having been a Lieut. of the Regular Confederate Army when he first came to Nevada, and was much embarrassed when he was found out to have been merely with an irregular militia [Google Books Ref].
You are flatly wrong about Twain's loyalty to the Confederate cause in his early days in Nevada - this is most easily seen in his own letter to William H. Clagett, on 28 Feb 1862 [this link from the Mark Twain Project]. In the letter he refers to those fighting the Union as "we", talks about the forces fighting for the Confederate cause as "our Missourians"; and refers to Union forces as "they". Historians constantly site this is proof of Twain's loyalties such as [this Google Books sample from historian Philip McFarland].
My point isn't that he is willing to bleed for the Confederacy, my point is that the Confederacy has a strong hold on his mind before Nevada and for awhile after he arrives there - and despite his brothers example, the idea of abolitionism has no hold on his mind whatsoever. --Wowaconia (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I didn't say he was for racial slavery I said he was for the Confederate cause. The Confederate cause included members who held the idea that slavery was unfortunate but would eventually die out on its own - this in contrast to the abolitionist position that called for slavery to be abolished immediately. Unless you want to say that the Confederate cause was about "state's rights" and had nothing to do with slavery, then supporting the Confederate cause means supporting the continuation of slavery rather than its immediate abolition.
I stated that Twain was attached to the Confederate cause in his youth even in his early days in Nevada. It seems you now accept this because of the sources I cited. Twain was not an abolitionist, he sided with the Confederate cause even for a while after he arrived in Nevada. --Wowaconia (talk) 21:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Twain's own letter proves he supported the Confederate cause when he was in Missouri and continued into his early period in Nevada. You can't support the Confederacy and be an abolitionist. So not only is there no evidence that he was an abolitionist there is evidence he was in opposition to them.--Wowaconia (talk) 22:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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As a citation for the mention of the only existing video footage of Twain, the article links to the clickbait content farm io9, and only then does one get a link to Archive.org for the video. The article should link to Archive.org directly. CRCulver (talk) 18:42, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I’d just as soon call Twain a writer rather than an author because “author” is no more than a vague catch-all for the creator of almost anything. See the first definition in the OED:
The person who originates or gives existence to anything.
But I’d prefer calling Twain a novelist and a short story writer, since he’s known for his humorous novels and short stories. But he was also a journalist. So, “writer” is the correct broader term.
To write Twain was an “author and humorist” is redundant, since the definition of author would include humorist and damn near anything else. JoePeschel (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Ernest Miller Hemingway (July 21, 1899 – July 2, 1961) was an American novelist, short story writer, and journalist. His economical and understated style had a strong influence on 20th-century fiction, while his life of adventure and his public image influenced later generations. Hemingway produced most of his work between the mid-1920s and the mid-1950s, and won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1954. He published seven novels, six short story collections, and two non-fiction works. Additional works, including three novels, four short story collections, and three non-fiction works, were published posthumously. Many of his works are considered classics of American literature.
The topic doesn't provide any support for the categorization of Twain as a publisher (aside from the use of the term "published" which has a different meaning) TEDickey (talk) 15:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
For important authors, Wikipedia can depend on well-regarded, recent biographies. Tertiary references (Britannica) are useful as pointers to secondary sources.
Twain was a lecturer who embarked on extensive lecture tours:
In his lifetime Mark Twain was almost as well-known a public speaker as he was a writer, and lecture tours were a major source of his income. From early in his career, he could fill a lecture hall wherever he went. While he joked in 1868 that he was staying on in San Francisco an extra day “in order to lecture & so persecute the public for their lasting benefit & my profit,” by 1872 he was frustrated and exhausted by the demands of touring, and he hoped he could soon retire from lecturing. However, he had learned that his public appearances helped promote the sale of his books, and so he returned to the stage again and again. In 1884-1885 he hired author George Washington Cable to accompany him on what became their “Twins of Genius” tour, which he used to promote his forthcoming book, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Profits from his “Around the World” tour in 1895-1896 allowed him to clear the debts incurred by his investment and business failures.
— The Business of Being Mark Twain
Twain is notable as the publisher of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and the memoirs of Ulesees S Grant:
His solution was to start his own subscription publishing firm. In 1884 he founded Charles L. Webster and Company, which he named after his business agent (and his niece’s husband), who became its director. Clemens hoped to reap the combined benefits of being an author and a publisher. The new company enjoyed great success with its first two publications, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and the Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant. Sales of the two-volume memoir generated a record-breaking royalty payment of $200,000 for the president’s widow and made Clemens a wealthy man.
— The Business of Being Mark Twain
The above quotes from the online "catalog" from a Twain exhibition at the Cornell University Library seem persuasive to me. And would be supported by the Twain scholarship. — Neonorange (talk) 12:19, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I removed an unsupported parameter and argument form the infobox:
| influenced = [[Jeff Smith (cartoonist)|Jeff Smith]]<ref name=TheCartoonist>{{cite AV media|people = Ken Mills (Director) |title =[[The Cartoonist: Jeff Smith, BONE and the Changing Face of Comics]]|medium = Documentary|publisher = Mills James Productions|date = July 21, 2009}}</ref> .
The documentation for the writer infobox Template:Infobox writer states the contents of 'influenced' should be worked into the text of the article. The parameter has only on argument, 'Jeff Smith'—Mark Twain influenced many more writers. None are mentioned in the text. I am placing the name and citation here for possible future use. — Neonorange (talk) 07:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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In Mark Twain's paragraph on his later life and his despise for religion, he his quoted saying『If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be – a Christian.』This quote has now been proven false and should completely be removed. 71.228.15.110 (talk) 09:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I have added the "multiple issues" template, and therefore feel compelled to add this explanation in keeping with template usage guidelines. I have called out a few sections which exemplify some of the major problems, specifically original research and lack of citations. The overall writing quality also needs to be improved by copy editing, but these other issues are more significant. —Dilidor (talk) 13:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Source: Chapter 16 of Roughing It by Twain, http://www.classicreader.com/book/1407/17/ Article is locked so can someone who can add him to said category do so? Thanks. Apparently the critics of religions category is about people who were critical of religion in general but he's specifically listed as a critic of Christian Science too and given the source I've mentioned seemed to especially have it in for Mormonism too. 86.45.226.161 (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
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