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1 What is the Distinction Between Old and New Mercury?  
2 comments  




2 Requested move 29 November 2017  
10 comments  




3 GA Review  
6 comments  


3.1  Observations  







4 Transclusion from GA Review Page comments prior to review  
5 comments  


4.1  Pass-by comments by CactiStaccingCrane (talk)  







5 Some missing material  
4 comments  




6 GA Review  
7 comments  




7 Did you know nomination  
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Good articleMercury in fiction has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassessit.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
December 15, 2021Good article nomineeNot listed
May 3, 2022Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know

Afact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 21, 2022.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that many fictional depictions of Mercury feature the now-disproven belief that it always points the same side towards the Sun (actual orbital resonance pictured)?
Current status: Good article

What is the Distinction Between Old and New Mercury?

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I'm not understanding what the distinction is between "Old Mercury" and "New Mercury". It seems there is a split in the 1960s, but I don't know what event transpired that creates this distinction. -Thunderforge (talk) 06:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the introduction to the page, it explains that the "Old Mercury" was considered tidally locked to the sun, and had one face permanently exposed and one face permanently in night. PaulWay (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 November 2017

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved.(non-admin closure) Mahveotm (talk) 12:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]



Mercury in fictionMercury (planet) in fiction – Disambiguation and consistency with Category:Mercury (planet) in fiction and Mercury (planet) 165.91.13.72 (talk) 23:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). -- AlexTW 23:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse vote to Oppose per examples submitted by Randy Kryn, below: Venus in fiction, Jupiter in fiction, etc. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Mercury in fiction/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 00:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Starts GA Review. The review will follow the same sections of the Article. Thank you --Whiteguru (talk) 00:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 


Observations

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   HTML document size: 105 kB
   Prose size (including all HTML code): 11 kB
   References (including all HTML code): 18 kB
   Wiki text: 11 kB
   Prose size (text only): 5308 B (886 words) "readable prose size"
   References (text only): 3684 B
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a(prose, spelling, and grammar): b(MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  • Article follows MOS for layout and referencing.
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a(reference section): b(citations to reliable sources): c(OR): d(copyvio and plagiarism):
  • Lead is an excellent summary.
  • Reference 1 - the archived link goes to a French version.
  • Early depictions is well referenced;
  • Tidal locking has a good summary of well-known SF on the (supposed) permanent Dayside and Nightside of Mercury
  • Modern Depictions seems a bit thin.
  • I am not sure of the relevance of section on Vulcan.
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a(major aspects): b(focused):
  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  • NPOV is preserved in this article.
  1. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  • Page created on 14 December 2005
  • Page has 324 edits by 188 editors
  • majority of annual edits occurred in 2021
  • page has 34 watchers
  • 90 day page views = 3,689 with a daily average of 41 views
  • examination of page history shows steady improvements
  • page is stable, free from edit-warring and vandalism
  1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a(images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b(appropriate use with suitable captions):
  • File:Orbital resonance of Mercury horizontal.gif = Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication.
  1. Overall:
  • This article appears to restrict both its scope and sources to several Encyclopaedia of Science Fiction and one other source on science fiction writers.
  • My sense is that the scope of this article is not as wide as it could be, considering Mercury appears in film, book, comics and games be they board games or video games.
  • A rethink about the scope of this article is necessary. It is somewhat restricted. --Whiteguru (talk) 05:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Comments moved to the talk page, where they belong. --Whiteguru (talk) 05:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whiteguru, this source is a Wikipedia mirror of an earlier version of this article. TompaDompa (talk) 05:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend renominting this. I find the above failing of the article without opportunity to discuss unfair. I think the article is a bit short and doesn't utilize all sources, but I don't see how it is "too limited in scope". What else to add? The reviewer didn't even make any suggestions... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Transclusion from GA Review Page comments prior to review

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Pass-by comments by CactiStaccingCrane (talk)

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Hello! I have some feedback on the article as well, which I would share below:

That's it for now. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There may be more information about turning Mercury into a Dyson sphere, but none of the sources I've found discuss that in a fiction context (though a quick Google search turns up quite a few webpages about it as a thought experiment), and it would probably be undue to add more than a brief sentence about it if such a source were to be found, since we're supposed to cover the different aspects of the topic in WP:PROPORTION to their coverage in published reliable sources on the topic. I've tried to find appropriate images to add, but without success so far I'm afraid. I've added that Mercury is the planet closest to the Sun, and there is of course a link to the article on the planet itself: Mercury (planet). TompaDompa (talk) 23:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC) transcluded by reviewer:: --Whiteguru (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@CactiStaccingCrane We need to consider whether the topic has been discussed in RS. For example, while I was working on Earth in fiction, I noticed a number of aspects that I think should be discussed but were not (in RS covering this topic). Sadly, I could not add them to the article b/c they'd represent my OR views on this topic. Incidentally, Earth could also be dismantled... and has been, in some works of fiction - but no source I used touched upon this (unless we count Hitchhiker's Guide, I guess... :P ). I concur with images. Not sure if we need to summarize what Mercury really is in depth, although working in a sentence or three early on for context makes sense. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is that the resources should be focus on Solar System in fiction first, since this has way more sources than individual planets. After the article get , splitting them to individual articles would be much better. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? Solar System in fiction has no sources whatsoever. Moreover, the main sources I've consulted treat the planets separately (mostly, at least). Anyway, do either of you have any particular suggestions about what images to add? TompaDompa (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some missing material

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https://www.universetoday.com/130109/how-do-we-colonize-mercury/ lists several more recent works, most notably a whole series by Kim Stanley Robinson including The Memory of Whiteness, which includes the same concept "cities that move to stay in the sunrise area" that is here instead credited to later work by Stross. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The source seems to be saying that the moving city concept didn't appear until the 2012 novel 2312, no? Mercury also serves as a location in many of Kim Stanley Robinson's novels and short stories. These include The Memory of Whiteness (1985), Blue Mars (1996), and 2312 (2012), in which Mercury is the home to a vast city called Terminator. To avoid the harmful radiation and heat, the city rolls around the planet's equator on tracks, keeping pace with the planet's rotation so that it stays ahead of the Sun. [...] Charles Stross' 2008 novel Saturn’s Children involves a similar concept to Robinson's 2312, where a city called Terminator traverses the surface on rails, keeping pace with the planet's rotation. I don't get the impression from the source that those stories by Robinson are a series, and our articles don't seem to imply that either. Anyway, I'll expand the article somewhat. TompaDompa (talk) 07:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The moving city concept is in The Memory of Whiteness, which was published in 1985. The other KSR works use the same setting. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:33, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I don't think the aim should necessarily be to include the earliest examples, but rather the most important ones (as evidenced by their presence in WP:Reliable sources on the topic), but I have at any rate added a mention of The Memory of Whiteness to the article. TompaDompa (talk) 21:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Mercury in fiction/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 11:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a(prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b(MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a(references):
    b(citations to reliable sources):
    c(OR):
    d(copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a(major aspects):
    b(focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a(images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b(appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

· · ·

TompaDompa's replies:

Ping BennyOnTheLoose. TompaDompa (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk pageorWikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promotedbyKavyansh.Singh (talk19:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

)
Actual 3:2 spin–orbit resonance of Mercury
Actual 3:2 spin–orbit resonance of Mercury

Improved to Good Article status by TompaDompa (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]


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