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why are these aristocrats allowed to wear all the medals from low ranks to the highest ranks without even being anywhere near the battle fields??!
Can someone post information about the Monarchial Order of the Holy Spirit in France? And the Sovereign Military Order of the Dragon in Serbia ==> http://www.redzmaja.org/?lang=en
The link to the Order of St. George goes to a Russian decoration, not the Hungarian chivalric order that this page describes. --68.41.122.213 16:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'd question the inclusion of the Kappa Alpha Order on this page. Not only does it seem irrelevent the page it links to is hardly wiki worthy, with neutrality issues and tons of pointless information.--68.231.168.20 12:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just posted this article: Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George. It's a new article and I'm hoping for experts to expand it. Where does it fit in this article? --Ashley Rovira 13:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Considerable parts of this article were lifted without attribution from Franc,ois Velde's Heraldica website, linked at the bottom. J S Ayer 00:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why orders created by the Duke of Burgundy (Golden Fleece) and the Count of Savoy (Annunziata) are considered monarchial, orders created by the Duke of Bavaria (St. Anthony) and the Margrave of Brandenburg (Swan) and several others are considered princely, and an order created by the Duke of Bar (St. Hubert) is considered baronial. Any takers? J S Ayer 01:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose the criterion is that the Duke of Burgundy wound up King of Spain and the Count of Savoy wound up King of Italy, while the King of Bavaria and the King of Prussia wound up having their own armies and ambassadors while still owing some homage to an emperor, and the Duke of Bar always remained a subject. J S Ayer 14:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please add sources for the given creation of all orders. See WP:TORIGRS. The article would also benefit of a mention of the evolution or relation of orders vs soldities JennyLen 10:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Order of Orsmus does not exist, its only hoax or joke. Author of article give link to one article about Vatican secret archives, where is nothing about this "order" and as reference book cited Boulton´s Knights of crown, where is nothing. Of course nothing about this order is in Burke Word orders, van Duren Orders or any other book. Yopie 12:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I added a new brief section on pseudo-chivalric orders. It was not meant to be comprehensive, only to introduce the idea into the current article. It is expected that a very comprehensive new article (titled Pseudo-chivalric orders) will cover the topic in substantial detail. Please feel free to expand, modify, move under a different heading, or otherwise change what I have added to the article at this point. I feel that I expressed an overly sympathetic view towards the myriad fake and pseudo-chivalric "orders" that are out on the Web today, but I also tried to maintain something of a NPOV on the topic. Would adding (listing) some of the current pseudo-chivalric orders of the day to the present article be too controversial? I suppose that listing some old pseudo-chivalric orders can be safely done without bringing a vicious edit war down on this article. At the very least, those organizations calling themselves chivalric orders should be described as they are -- generally without an internationally recognized fons honorum at the least. I look forward to the separate new article that should cover this topic in more detail. -L.Smithfield (talk) 19:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although this is more a discussion for the new article (yet to be written as of this time) Pseudo-chivalric orders I will put his here for consideration. I just came across an "order" of knighthood that I had not seen before. The "order" is:
Although I did not see that this "order" claims to be chivalric (but I didn't spend the time to read through the whole of the web site since it is fairly extensive) it clearly is not a normally recognized order of knighthood as the idea is generally understood. After examining this "order" briefly and seeing that it is largely or principally sponsored by a one Prinz Karl Friedrich von Deutschland it appears to be a part of a network of related websites that were probably first identified on the talk page of the Wiki-article Almanach de Gotha. I just realized that this Prinz Karl Friedrich von Deutschland has a host of realted web sites dealing with royalty, nobility, knighthood, and heraldry. Some of these web sites are (and there may be more yet):
Some of these were listed over on the Almanach de Gotha talk page but I didn't see that they were all connected until now. This guy (Prinz Karl Friedrich von Deutschland) has been very busy! His various web sites are fairly extensive and are likely to be quite confusing to various visitors who may not (probably do not) know who this Prinz Karl Friedrich von Deutschland is. So the question is how should these types of "orders" he handled? In what sort of article might they be listed? Should these sorts of "orders" be listed at all? They are not normal internationally recognized orders but neither may they claim to be chivalric. -L.Smithfield (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looked at your comments, so do you have actual official evidence that he is a fake and that aforementioned websites are run by the person in question or is it hearsay on your part quite tired of people making semi official statements without actual evidence, being produced at the time of the statement being made, whereas, producing official evidence would not be just showing or producing further hearsay and comments by others unless they are made by an official body or person ie government or likewise, to many so called experts who do not hold, bear or enjoy any sort of official standing, make sweeping statements about the rights or standings of others without showing evidence to their comments, just a thought for all.
To me it is quite vague why the Danish Order of the Elephant (founded in 1693) is classified as a modern current order, and on the other hand the Order of the Thistle (founded 1687) and the Order of Saint Joseph (founded 1807) as post-medieval monarchical orders, although the Danish order is also quite old. When does the post-medieval period begin and does it stop, and does the modern period begin? Furthermore, also a lot of European monarchical chivalric orders are missing, like the important Danish Order of the Dannebrog (founded 1671) or the exclusive Dutch Order of William (founded 1815). Demophon (talk) 09:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would not the Knights of Columbus and similar orders fall under the Self-Styled Chivalric Orders?
This is a fine list of chivalric orders you have compiled, but from an encyclopedia, one would at the very least expect an explanation of what the purpose of a chivalric order actually is..
It's strange and misleading that "Orders of Chivalry" redirect to Military order and "Orders of chivalry" redirects to Chivalric order. --79.20.253.233 (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've just added the order of the Star and the Order of the Band, but I'm sure there are some others missing. Unfortunately I have no copy of Boulton's work at hand. Can someone check their copy and add those which are still missing? 145.53.0.242 (talk) 13:18, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This article currently states: 'After the crusades, the memory of these crusading military orders became idealised and romanticised, resulting in the late medieval notion of chivalry which is reflected in the Arthurian romances of the time.' Yet according to the linked article on The Crusades, they happened in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries. According to the linked article on Arthurian romance, it is dated to the 5th and early 6th centuries. Can somebody clarify what, if any, link exists between both? 89.101.41.216 (talk) 10:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Under "Distinction: Based on Boulton...:Chivalric orders by purpose", it states "Self-styled orders: self-proclaimed imitation-orders without statutes or restricted memberships". I find two problems with this. First, because "self-styled" is not a purpose; it's an assessment by those outside of the group (no group likes to think of itself as "self-styled"). And second, because it misstates what a self-styled order is. Self-styled orders can indeed possess statutes, and they can have restricted memberships. As the Wiki Self-styled orders states, they "...are organizations which falsely claim to be chivalric orders", who lack a proper fons honorum, lack recognition by other, legitimate orders or by states or monarchs, etc. I'd like to change the description to reflect this reality, to something like "Self-styled orders: self-proclaimed imitation-orders without a legitimate fount of honor or recognition by legitimate orders or authorities" (changes bolded). It's a little longer than I'd prefer, but perhaps someone could suggest a way to express the same information in a more condensed fashion. Brevity has, alas, never been my strong suit. Bricology (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 22:17, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Chivalric order → Order of chivalry – For WP:Consistency as per International Commission on Orders of Chivalry and more, and in line with order of merit. Of course chivalric order, knightly order and order of knighthood should be kept indicated as common other names in the lead section. See also: Talk:Order_(honour)#Terminology. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:02, 16 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. — Music1201 talk 16:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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