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Isn't this just a jargon-file style dictionary entry? --Robert Merkel 00:20 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
Fixed link formatting for "Americans for Prosperity", and changed the adjective "grassroots" to "conservative" for accuracy. Scribelrus 11:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I removed "pork barrel spending contributes significantly to government deficits"--the lack of specificity and use of weasel word "significantly" make this almost meaningless, and highly contestable. Meelar (talk) 22:24, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
I learned in a social problems class that pork barrel means to try to pass a bill that is so stuffed with laws that a politician wouldn't see the extra laws. I'm not sure how to explain it really. Is this true? Jaberwocky6669 | ☎Holla! 01:52, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I heard that the term came from slave masters giving their slaves barrels of pork and taking pleasure in seeing them fight for it. I guess the analogy would be politicians fighting for money? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.143.43.84 (talk • contribs) , 17:05, 9 November 2004 (UTC)[reply]
I included a link to the Maxey article giving the slavery origin. Maxey gives no source for the story, however, and the word was in use in a political sense for more than 45 years before anybody mentioned this origin, nor is there any record of this practice from the days of slavery or from the half-century following abolition. It is almost certainly a later fabrication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.68.227 (talk) 18:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The absence of records for the slavery origin before 1919 is a matter of fact: no earlier mention of the practice is contained in any article in the Proquest newspaper database, Newspaper Archive, the Making of America collection, Google Books, or any other scholarly archive, though the term was in use in a political sense for at least 45 years before this date. It is irresponsible to mention the Maxey story without qualifying it, as if this were a matter of accepted fact. Gasala (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removed this phrase: The term was first used in print by E.K. Hale for his story called "Pork Barrel", published in 1865 by Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper. It is derived from the practice of slaveowners giving barrels of salted pork to slaves and watching the "feeding frenzy" the slaves subsequently engaged in. [1] as someone has written being unable to find references for this (the website referenced is a web journalist.) The OED says 1909, in the Westminster Gazette, for first use. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:27, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
(moved all discussion of origin under this top level heading)
There is no discussion of the origin of the term in the article now. Can we add something? Is the slave owner origin the correct and only origin of the term? Suspect it goes back further... Donama (talk) 23:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article addresses the United States exclusively. I changed the lead to "used to describe United States government spending", someone please correct me if it's not accurate. 119 13:10, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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citation. My concerns/suggestsion:
--Mcorazao 16:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why is this considered a bad thing? What kind of person in his right mind, other than a communist, would give everything equally to everyone, instead of favoring those he feels are the best and/or would make the best use of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would imagine that it is considered bad because in many cases things are given to a small group of people to serve a narrow self interest, for example provide a big spending project in a political marginal constituency to ensure their support in a future election . Franny-K (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Only in the US can "communist" be used as a slur... 96.30.149.45 (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All the examples given here are negative ones. Are there really no examples that may have been consider pork barrel spending at a time and fulfills all the definitions of significant pork barrel spending but which is now widely consider to have been a very good thing? Nil Einne (talk) 07:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is this really necessary?
I would've thought that to anyone with even half a brain that was obvious. There's no beef barrel article about barrels containing beef, and all this does is detract from the political meaning of the phrase. --Elfbadger (talk) 19:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article was tagged in August 2007 for POV, need of an expert on the subject, cleanup and refimprove. No comments were made on this talk page by the tagger. I suggest that in the case of references specific cites should be sought given that there are 6 references provided. I see no need for an expert, can't imagine where such an expert might come from. Without comments I don't understand what the POV issues are or what cleanup is required. Accordingly I am removing the tag pending clarification.--Matilda talk 23:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am considering removing the part in the article referencing the price per square mile of the Big Dig, as it is partly false and not in the source. The Big Dig did more than just put part of Route 93 underground, it also extended the mass pike to logan airport (underwater) and also had route 93 and route 1 run concurrently across the charles river as opposed to splitting them apart earlier. This is a perfect example of pork barrel spending and earmarks, just the information given there (including the costs) does not include everything that was done.
hi— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.162.23.65 (talk) 14:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are earmarks and pork barrel politics cyclical in any way, or at least in a way that would justify a hatnote from Pork cycle? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Last night on the Solar News Channel (Philippines) there was a story on pork barrel and this page was shown during some b-roll. Congratulations editors. Keep up the good work. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 03:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Waldosearchparty,
I like how you summarized the section you edited on the Philippines and provided citations. The summary is concise and easy to read. The addition of the Hawaiian senator is interesting to add but it might also be good to provide a definition of earmarks or exactly how they differ from pork barrel politics. Where you add the information seems a little like a disconnect within that paragraph but if you tie it into to the next it might sound better. Cartersapphire (talk) 22:30, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I really like the Pork Barrel section in the Philippines but I worry it might be disproportionate to the other sections. Maybe porkbarrel politics in Philippines might be better served as a separate page entirely or in the Philippines politics page. I think that section is good save for a few source questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waldosearchparty (talk • contribs) 23:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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It sounds like a statement from a crude "native" character on a sixties television show. Was it Google translated from Russian? Awhit003 (talk) 01:59, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]