This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Pygmy slow loris article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Primates, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Primates on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PrimatesWikipedia:WikiProject PrimatesTemplate:WikiProject PrimatesPrimate articles
This article is part of WikiProject Vietnam, an attempt to create a comprehensive, neutral, and accurate representation of Vietnam on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.VietnamWikipedia:WikiProject VietnamTemplate:WikiProject VietnamVietnam articles
Hi, there is a recent publication about how sunlight and temperature affect slow loris' behaviour. I think the information there should be added to the article. Maybe User:Maky could do it. (If he had time, of course) [1] --Andresisrael (talk) 00:53, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for catching this. I added the important information, but didn't touch upon the conclusions because this is a newly published primary source. – Maky« talk »04:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Studbook records show that the youngest pygmy loris male to sire offspring was a little under 18 months of age, and two females have conceived at 16 months. -- Fitch-Snyder, H.; Jurke, M. (2003). "Reproductive patterns in pygmy lorises (Nycticebus pygmaeus): Behavioral and physiological correlates of gonadal activity". Zoo Biology. 22 (1): 15–32. doi:10.1002/zoo.10072. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
The reference was originally the Husbandry manual so I changed it to this^ paper which I think is correct. I can only see the abstract which states the youngest male to sire offspring was 73 weeks, which is a bit over 16 and a half months so I've updated the article accordingly. I don't have access to the paper though so can't be any more specific than the page range.
I don't have access to any of the remaining sources without page numbers so someone else will have to have a look at them.
This is kind of where I'm stuck. Sasata wrote the article with those sources, and I think he's the only one that can get them. If it hadn't been for this, I would have at least submitted it for GAN. Thanks for taking the time on it, though. – Maky« talk »00:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone have access to the following papers?
Zhang, Y. -P.; Chen, Z. -P.; Shi, L. -M. (1993). "Phylogeny of the slow lorises (genus Nycticebus): an approach using mitochondrial DNA restriction enzyme analysis". International Journal of Primatology. 14 (1): 167–175. doi:10.1007/BF02196510. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Duckworth, J. W. (1994). "Field sightings of the pygmy loris, Nycticebus pygmaeus, in Laos". Folia Primatologica. 63 (2): 99–101. doi:10.1159/000156800. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Nadler, T.; Streicher, U. (2004). "Primates in Vietnam – an overview". In Nadler, T.; Streicher, U.; Long Hà, T.. Conservation of Primates in Vietnam. Hanoi: Haki Press. pp. 3–11. OCLC224818225.
Groves, C. P. (2001). Primate Taxonomy. Washington, DC: Smithsonian Institution Press. ISBN978-1-56098-872-4.
I have the first one, and added a page number for it. However, do we really need page numbers for these short papers for GAN? It's not a GA requirement to have page numbers on even the shortest sources. Ucucha (talk) 12:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that! I think the other two are just referenced in other papers, doesn't that give the original reference a bit more weight anyway? Jack (talk) 12:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've been leaving Vietnamese authors named fully intact, e.g. Dao Van Tien, because the naming structure does not suit it's self well to referencing: [Surname] [Middle name] [First name]. Dao Van Tien would probably be referred to as Mr. Tien, because Van just means male, and surnames are generally very common. There is lots of debate about how libraries should index Vietnamese names (see Google), so I think that since we should use full names rather than rearrange them into strange orders. Jack (talk) 12:59, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem here is that {{Sfn}} won't work unless you use the last (last name) parameter in the cite tags. There can be similar confusion with Japanese, since given and surnames are reversed—hence "Yuki Midorikawa" would be an English representation of the name, and "Midorikawa Yuki" would be how the Japanese would write it. Controversy or not, we need to pick something, otherwise the ref links won't work. – Maky« talk »14:03, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in this article we are already adjusting the names of Chinese authors for citation purposes (following the journals in which the articles were published). I think it's only fair that we do the same for the Vietnamese names, which follow the same system. – Maky« talk »17:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh I didn't realise it broke Sfn. Fair enough, bring on papers by Nguyen, Nguyen, & Nyguen!! It's incredible that nearly 40% of surnames are the same! Jack (talk) 12:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Inthis edit I have removed the unknown page numbers and left the references to refer to the full papers/book. Page numbers are not a requirement of GAN so I think this is the best way to get it listed or else it might sit here forever! The page numbers can be hunted down or replaced if the article is taken through FAC. That means it's time for someone to nominate it :) I'm happy to help it along if needed. Cheers, Jack (talk) 09:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully Sasata can dig up his sources again and fix the page numbers. Otherwise, once I fix a few more ref links, I can nominate it for GAN. Thanks for all the hard work, Jack! – Maky« talk »14:03, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Alright... I have either found page numbers or eliminated unneeded refs that lacked page numbers. We need to put the "Literature cited" section in alphabetical order, which I'll do once Sasata is done editing. Also, I don't like the following ref:『Biodiversity and Protected Areas – Viet Nam』(PDF). Earth Trend. 2003. I'm not sure if it's reliable, and there appears to be conflicting numbers found here. Should we delete this piece of information until we can find a more recent and reliable source? – Maky« talk »17:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I put the article in the queue. Thanks for the kick in the butt guys; it'll be good to finally finish off the slow loris good topic! Sasata (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help! As for the good topic... well, I have two more B-class articles about the new species I need to polish up... – Maky« talk »20:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome! First, the intro says "crawling along branches using slow, deliberate movements in search of prey." Why should it be pointed out that the movements are deliberate? Seems like common sense.
Does the caption of the image under Anatomy and physiology need to repeat the article at length? If you shortened it, you could also get rid of the white space under it.
I know that one of the helping authors is a fan of explicative captions (on the presumption that most readers will only read the lead and look at the pictures), but I trimmed it a little bit. Sasata (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Another way to remove the white space could be to swap the position of the skull image and the face image. In that way, the living animal will also face the text, per MOS. FunkMonk (talk) 23:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"with no significant difference between the sexes" If there are any, they should be mentioned. If not, should be reworded. As is, it reads like you're leaving out info.
Hmmm ... it doesn't read like that to me. Can you suggest a wording you'd be satisfied with? (would prefer not to leave it out, as many animals show sexual dimorphism, and if there's no explicit mention, perhaps some readers might think it had been forgotten?) Sasata (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no difference including size; I've reworded this to just say explicitly "there is no significant difference in size between the sexes." Sasata (talk) 22:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is info about female attraction to scent marks under behaviour, but shouldn't this be under reproduction?
Possibly, but I think it also fits where it is (and reproduction follows shortly, so the material is not widely separated). Sasata (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My issue was not so much the placement, more that it needs elaboration. As is, it is just mentioned they are fatter in some seasons, not how. Do they eat intensively for a short time prior to winter, or is it a gradual build up in weight?
"The population in China has been estimated at less than 500 individuals" and "In China, Daweishan, Fenshuiling, and Huanglianshan Reserve maintained approximately 80% of the population of the species in 2007" seem to contradict each other.
I don't see the contradiction; less than 500 individuals in China, of which 80% are in Daweishan, Fenshuiling, and Huanglianshan Reserves ... Sasata (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, because it kind of reads like it is 80% of the species worldwide, unless you specify/rephrase it is 80% of the species in China. Maybe it's just because the sentence is so long that it is unclear. FunkMonk (talk) 21:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is pretty much a GA now, so I'll pass it next time you respond. Few remaining issues can be changed afterwards, or are optional. FunkMonk (talk) 21:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]