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This should be put on the front page, instead of the oldest person in the world dying, thank you! --Little Spike

I agree, but it's still stubby. We need more information. --Golbez 21:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The given link states 500 dead but both Reuters and BBC give 200. Is there any other source that states 500 deaths? Phillowe88 22:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

not 200, 250! I also dispute this inclusion as of yet --TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Reuters and the BBC aren't working as fast as CNN is today. as for sources that say 500, [1] DPA says it's reported by the hospitals but not yet confirmed by authorities. --Golbez 22:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

""We have received 500 corpses and 375 injured people," said Dr. Kifah Muhammad, the manager of the hospital in Sinjar, a town in western Nineveh province." [2] --Golbez 22:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The latest official figure by the Iraqi army remained at 220 killed and 400 wounded." From that first article you linked. The army figure i believe holds more weight than one doctor. Phillowe88 22:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. IMHO for these kind of breaking news stories official figures should be all we provide in the summar. A report by a hospital official is not generally consider an official figure. However it might be okay to mention it in the article. Remember that this an encylopaedia (wikipedia) not a news report (wikinews) Nil Einne 23:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"A BBC news report suggested that the attack may have been in response to members of the Yazidi sect stoning a Yazidi woman who wanted to convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim man."

Ive justed added this. How do you cite a TV news source? I dont suppose its verfiable in the way that a webpage is Francium12 23:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The woman was Du’a Khalil Aswad and I added that to the article and her article as well.

I deleted the entire sentence regarding the BBC's "suggestion". The quoted article "suggests" nothing of the sort and even were it do so, without any source for such a "suggestion" it would be some meaningless MSM prattle that serves the solitary purpose of having something to say when you've got to fill 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with "news".

All that the BBC-sentence succeeds in doing is mitigating the horror of the evil perpetrated by these murderers.

Again, if there's any evidence for this in fact having been some sort of retaliatory killing then, by all means, add it to the entry. But there is no such evidence.

So let it be unwritten; for it likely was not done. ~ mnuez

There needs to be a reference to this. The current citation has nothing that helps prove this claim. Kaiser matias 06:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Iraqi Yazidis speak out' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/6949466.stm - introduces another possible motive for the attacks, being an upcoming referendum concening joining the Kurdistan Regional Government region.

The following is information I have pieced together mostly from Google-translated Arabic sites. It appears that the bombed villages were built after 1975 by the Baath regime to house resettled Yazidis. The Saddam-era names were Al Qahtaniyah compound (مجمع القحطانية) and Al Jazirah compound (مجمع الجزيرة). Because these names had Arab nationalist connotations, the Kurdish-speaking residents changed the names of the settlements in the period after Baathist control. Al Qahtaniyah became Kar Izir (Tall `Uzayr or Tal Uzair in Arabic), while Al Jazirah was called Siba Sheikh Khidr. It seems that some Iraqis are still using the Saddam-era names. Thus in different press reports you may see the same places referred to by different names.

This is all sort of secondhand stuff so I didn't try to work it into the article but I'm wondering if someone who knows Arabic can verify the information from press reports or other sources. Anyway, editors should be aware that a confused naming situation exists for these villages. --Cam 02:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is indeed all very confusing. I was particularly mystified by 'Al Jazirah' which seems to have the same name as the Arab broadcasting organistation. Despite this I have added some details to the main Iraq War article. There I have given the casualty figures as 350 which is what the Guardian newspaper recorded yesterday. See Iraq War article for source. Colin4C 11:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

there also seem to be different spellings (or transliterations) Kahataniya, Khataniya, Qahtaniya etc. What is the standard version, does anyone know?--Vindheim 15:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Arabic script is in my comment above. The formal transliteration would be Al Qahtaniyah with macrons over the second 'a' and over the 'i'. It is common to drop the final 'h' (ta marbuta) in transliterations, so you could have Al Qahtaniya. Also, when the definite article 'al' starts a place name a lot of English transliterations drop it, so you could have Qahtaniyah or Qahtaniya. --Cam 18:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The former name Qahtaniya bombings was not exact as also Jazirah was attacked. The locations are less notable that the targets-the Yazidi. Now the title reflects that. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 16:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was a wise change, thanks. --Cam (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Consensus can change where the current double plural is highly awkward. Something like "Yazidi bombings" or "Yaziding community bombings" would be better.(Lihaas (talk) 06:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)).[reply]

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Lists elsewhere on wikipedia put the death toll at 796: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks#Iraq_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_in_Iraq

I have found sources for this number (though none is given on those pages): NBC News, The Telegraph

Influence Warfare: How Terrorists and Governments Fight to Shape Perceptions ... By James J.F. Forest

http://www.yezidisinternational.org/displaced-yezidis/

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