Contents

Talk:The Ballad of Eskimo Nell

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Songs This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SongsWikipedia:WikiProject SongsTemplate:WikiProject Songssong articles Poetry Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Poetry, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of poetry on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoetryWikipedia:WikiProject PoetryTemplate:WikiProject PoetryPoetry articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Arctic Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Arctic, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Arctic on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArcticWikipedia:WikiProject ArcticTemplate:WikiProject ArcticArctic articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Indigenous peoples of North America This article is within the scope of WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Native Americans, Indigenous peoples in Canada, and related indigenous peoples of North America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Indigenous peoples of North AmericaWikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North AmericaTemplate:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North AmericaIndigenous peoples of North America articles ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

[Untitled][edit]

Hello, my name is John Mehlberg. Although I did not start this article, I have a great interest in it because I am a folklorist intersted in drinking songs, toasts and recitations. Eskimo Nell is the later.

If you know a version of Eskimo Nell, please feel free to email me at CONTACT at IMMORTALIA.COM or by visiting my user page and dropping me a note.

John Mehlberg 20:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC) (IMMORTALIA.COM is now a generic search site - removed references jason1944)[reply]

The poem shares the same structure and meter as one of Robert Service's famous Yukon poem, 'The Cremation of Sam McGee'.

Yes, it seems to partially parody it... AnonMoos 15:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source for this claim makes no argument as to why this ballad is an example of so-called sex-hate literature, whatever that is (the term appears to be undefined). Rather, it merely labels the ballad a "sex hate recitation" on numerous occasions. I would argue that the poem is nothing of the sort, and probably more accurately echoes the sexual-liberation-of-women argument put forth by Germaine Greer and various feminists. In the absence of a reliable source explaining why Eskimo Nell is "sex-hate", I am deleting the reference.--ABVS 10:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fundamental terms Beefart is entirely of the same view as Yeti Hunter but approaches these things from the liberal tradition that in Australia is summed up by the expression "fair crack of the whip". I do not think that Eskimos Nell (EN) qualifies as "sex hate literature" (SHL). In fact, I find the proposition ludicrous. Nell is a ball-breaker. She uses what God gave her to bring both Dick and Pete down several rungs and adds a lustre of dignity to the reputation of the old profession in the world. This is my opinion. There are no facts involved, only what I happend to think sounds right. I have been known to be wrong. (I can recall the last occasion clearly; it was on a Tuesday...) I agree that the published citation makes no case for why EN is an example of SHL. The point is that somebody else thinks so. They may have failed risably to support that opinion but, hey, its a free encyclopedeia, aint it? We will not survive if we fall into the error of trying to supress the opinions of fools. There are too many of them. Let them speak. Please restore the link. If it is a link to the ridiculous, it cannot harm us.

Fair call, I actually decided to leave the link in there after writing in talk, because as you say the sentiments of the poem speak for themselves, and any reader can decide for themselves that the "sex hate" proposition is bollocks. (this is in contrast to at least one version of the "Lil the whore" poem in America which is allegedly similar, but in which Lil is most certainly the victim of "sex hate")--ABVS 13:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While I am all in favor of any constructive edits to this page (the subject itself seems to fluctuate at the best of times), recent edits made by Kondikenell are of such a nature as to violate WP:conflict of interest. The links added to the page and the addition and change of many example lines of the poem are almost unrelated to the subject matter: for one, they relate to a different poem, a so-called "new and expanded" Eskimo Nell. If this new version is so notable as to "replace" the traditional Ballad of Eskimo Nell, then it should have a page unto itself. If it is not notable enough to warrant a dedicated page, then let it not replace the version of Nell represented on in this article. ABVS1936 (talk) 17:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The website http://www.authorsonline.co.uk/ is a self-publishing service - see WP:SPS for why these sources are (usually) inappropriate. The website htpp://klondikenell.com is not independent of the subject (thus failing WP:RS). This should stay out until such time as the new version is reported in reliable sources, and if that happens, it may warrant a small addition, but eschewing the promotional language of the contentious edits. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:26, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]