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I'm looking for some opinions relating to the length of her reign. Technically her reign ceased when the Nazi's took power in the Netherlands and she therefore essentially became a Pretender from 1940 until her return. The head of state of the Netherlands in WWII was Adolf Hitler. Despite not officially abdicating, she was a deposed monarch between this period. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.79.82 (talk) 15:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hoi from Enschede, The Netherlands
There is a minor impreciseness in the article. The city of Walcheren is not in southern Holland, but in the province of Zeeland. Greetings, Bas and Nic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.75.154.103 (talk) 10:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have deleted following entry as it is not factual but suggestive:
Had Wilhelmina not given the throne to her daughter before her death, she would have reigned for 72 years 5 days, which would have been the second-longest reign in Europe (behind that of Louis XIV of France), seventh-longest in the world, and the longest reign by a female monarch in history.
Abercrombieclub (talk) 19:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Queen Wilhelmina was never styled as Queen Mother after her abdication. Only a widowed queen consort can style herself Queen Mother, as for example the late Queen Mother of the United Kingdom. Queen Wilhelmina was a Queen in her own right and was therefore styled Princess.
Princess of the Netherlands 's-Gravenhage 09:20, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
--Isolani 19:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
My knowledge of Wilhelmina is fairly limited, so I'm not sure I'd be able to contribute much. Taking a look at what you've done so far, the added details about Wilhelmina in 1940 look good. I do think that the military armistice on May 14 should be mentioned, though. john k 05:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the 'disputed' tag, I think a lot of details in this article are unsubstantiated, cf the history of the article esp last few days. I`m going to spend some time cleaning it up, help would be appreciated. --Isolani 06:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well I have disposed of the more dubious bits, now begins the reconstruction, I`ll use the, quite excellent, dutch wikipedia article on Wilhelmina as a model, for now I`m removing the 'disputed' tag. --Isolani 16:28, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"Had she not given up the throne, she would have been Queen for 72 years, and would have been the longest serving monarch in the world." --Only at the time. Louis XIV would still have had a longer reign by a few months, and Pepi II of Egypt supposedly reigned for 94 years.--Syd Henderson 17:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This page was looking quite a mess, there were info boxes and pictures all over the place. I simply moved them around and alligned them differently. Hope you think it looks better. Mac Domhnaill 23:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is a ten year difference between dob in the article and dob under the Queen's portrait. Sorry, but I am unlikely to be proofing or editing articles much in the future, if at all, so would rather have someone who knows how to make the change do so.```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmjarecki (talk • contribs) 03:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone please explain how this was an attempted "revolution" and "overthrow," rather than an election and campaign? - Montréalais 15:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Following the example of Russia (and in some respects Germany) Troelstra had announced a revolution by the working classes, but instead of support and an actual revolution, people came out and a large demonstration in The Hague took place where people declared themselves to be in favour of the Royal family, so his 'revolution' never took place, but was his intention. The Queen played a small role in the matter, as she and her daughter (and possibly husband, not sure though) rode around town. This event is known as "Troelstras mistake" (Source Anno: http://www.anno.nl/i000942.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.174.208.34 (talk) 14:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although he always claimed himself not to be involved with the NSDAP-party, he was a member of the SA and later the Reiter-SS. This is documented and confirmed by the Dutch Center for War Documentation (NIOD). Bernhard claims he was made member without his consent or knowledge. The statement in this article, therefore, is false: there are documents supporting Bernhard being a nazi (for a short while at least), but he never admitted it. 145.58.239.247 13:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Does this article not need to point up the irony that she sent a warship to rescue Paul Kruger from the British after the Boer War (in reality they let him go......) but those same British at her request sent a warship to pick her up in May 1940. Bedwasboy (talk) 07:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is no "irony" - the Dutch rescued Kruger because he was a Boer (Afrikaner of Dutch extraction) and their sympathies were with their former countrymen, while the British rescued Wilhelmina because they needed her as a card against the Germnans like they needed the other governments-in-exile. Kruger did not represent a government in exile in the Netherlands or - later - Switzerland, nor did the Dutch seek to support a resistance movement in annexed Transvaal. There is more irony in Wilhelmina defending the abdicated Kaiser and then being forced to flee his successors.--91.157.209.63 (talk) 19:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is a chronological inaccuracy in the following sentence:
The marriage was in 1937. NIOD was established in 1945.--Meepwn53 (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the section on World War II, the sentence "She went aboard a British cruiser at The Hague, which was to take her there." appears. Problem is, The Hague is not a port. Scheveningen is a port, and is close to The Hague. Is that the correct location? Mjroots (talk) 07:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The World War II section says Winston Churchill once said that Wilhelmina of the Netherlands was the only real man in London. Although I don't have the book at hand, I remember reading in "Wilhelmina: een Koninklijke koppige Mevrouw" (Wilhelmina: a Royal sturdy Madam) by Bert van Nieuwenhuizen that this quote is ungrounded and not true.
Furthermore it could be noted that both Bert van Nieuwenhuizen in his previously mentioned book and dr. L. de Jong in "Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden in de Tweede Wereldoorlog" (The Kingdom of the Netherlands in de Second World War) said that the foreign state officials didn't want to negotiate with Queen Wilhelmina as she wished. Instead they wanted to communicate with the Dutch government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qense (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article said that at birth she was second in line to the throne. Since her Great Uncle Prince Frederick was still alive at this time and the Netherlands rules of succession were semi-salic up to 1887, she was of course third in line at that point. I made the appropriate changes in the article. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 17:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand what you are meaning. How could the Constitutional change of 1887 have influenced the status of Wilhelmina at her birth in 1880? Or the status of Prince Frederick untill he died a year later in 1881. That is what I'm talking about. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You,ve changed it now to 1848. The succession remained semi salic at that time. Meaning that if the whole male line of the House of Orange Nassau became extinct a woman could succeed, Since several royal Princes were alive at that point there was no need for the invokement of that provision. In 1887 The semi salic system was replaced by a cognatic agnatic system or what we call the Castillian system. Only then it was provided for that a daughter of a King could succeed when there were no elder brothers and the agnates that were brothers or uncles of the King would come after her. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Of course since 1813 women could succeed. That was also repeated in article 15 of the 1848 constitution. But only after the whole male line from King William I had died out! That is what is meant by semi salic. Untill his death in 1881 Prince Frederick therefore came before any King's daughter. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 14:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The birth of Juliana, on 30 April 1909, was met with great relief after eight years of childless marriage.[5]
Not well-known are the events leading to the birth of this, her only child. In 1908 the Queen went for a brief vacation to Marienbad, Austria. Since it was not an official state visit, she had only a small entourage with her and no welcoming ceremony greeted her arrival at the train station. However, there was a huge crowd of Jews at the station. They had come to greet a prominent Jewish personality, the Munkaczer Rebbe, Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Spira (1845-1914). Upon inquiring as to what a Rebbe is, she was told that he is a very pious man of great wisdom who bestows blessings and gives advice. Often his prayers are answered and those who are blessed have their wishes fulfilled. She asked one of her attendants to arrange a private meeting with the great sage. They met in a park that evening. The Queen was accompanied by two attendants and the Rebbe with two young men. She spoke candidly about her torment and anxiety about not having a child to carry on the monarchy. The Rebbe assured her that her monarchy would continue and using the terminology that the angel used when predicting to Abraham's wife Sarah that she would have a child, told her that she would have a child within a year. The Rebbe also predicted that her monarchy will never be severed until the Jewish Messiah arrives. An interesting sequel to the story is that one of the young men who served as the interpreter (The Rebbe and the Queen did not share a common language) obtained consent from the Queen to immigrate to Holland after surviving the horrors of Bergen-Belsen during WWII. He never forgot the graciousness of the royal family and in his foreword to his first book published after the war, "Leket HaKemach HaChadash Vol. 3" he writes, "G-d guided my footsteps to Amsterdam through the personal intervention of the magnanimous Queen Wilhelmina, may G-d exalt her glory, before she abdicated in favour of her daughter Queen Juliana. May her monarchy continue until the Jewish Messiah comes." The entire story with its sources can be found in "Echoes of the Maggid",`p. 95-99, by Rabbi Paysach J. Krohn, published by Mesorah Publications, LTD, Brooklyn, NY, USA, March 1999. Barryfadams (talk) 10:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What was wrong with my addition about the events leading up to the birth of Juliana. If you check them out with the Royal House you will find them to be true. Barryfadams (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sources quoted here are all contemporary and rather colored. It has been established some time ago (Nanda van der Zee, 1997 Om erger te voorkomen; ISBN 90 290 7338 1; this specific allegation was confirmed by Hans Blom, director of the Netherlands Institution of War Documentation) that the escape to the UK by the royals had been planned some time in advance, and that there was never any intention of going to Zeeland. --Ilja.nieuwland (talk) 11:52, 3 March 2013 (UTC) I have taken the liberty of altering references from 'Nazis' to Germans or Germany in this section as there are references to the British and the Dutch so this seems more in keeping. Reference to invasion by 'Nazi Germany' in 1940 seemed superfluos so I've taken the liberty of cutting it down to 'Germany'. Was there any other Germany in 1940? I question whether references to flight to 'England' is correct and if the United Kingdom should be used in general terms. Reference to a house in England seems appropriate, however. Robata (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The article states that in 1948, "The Dutch Royal Family was also one of seven European royal houses remaining in existence". At that time, the following European countries had reigning hereditery monarchs: the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Greece, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden (=8); in addition, Luxembourg, Monaco and Liechtenstein were ruled by a prince or grand duke, for a total of eleven. Of these, only Greece has since given up monarchy.--Death Bredon (talk) 13:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please join in: Talk:Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands#Move discussion DBD 15:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't think she ever was awarded with the Knight Grand Cordon of the Military Order of Maria Theresa. because it is a military order which wasn't awarded to woman. Also the named sources don't show or name it, and i couldn't find any other sources about her "membership". User:PM (talk) 09:58, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I believe there is a mistake in the passage following Juliana's birth. Surely, it was not her who had two more miscarriages but her mother Wilhelmina? Anncatx (talk) 19:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]