Template:Did you know nominations/Charlotte Haining

* QPQ needs to be provided within 7 days of nominating. This was nominated over 20 days ago. I suggest we close this unless a QPQ turns up forthwith. Schwede66 19:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Leeds 13.--Launchballer 20:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Note that this is fact a double nom with House Gospel Choir, and as such I provide a second QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Shirvanshah. I also suggest two further hooks just in case:

• ALT1: ... that in 2020, Charlotte Haining was an International Jury Member to help select Finland's 2020 Eurovision Song Contest entry?
• ALT2: ... that House Gospel Choir's very first gig was at Glastonbury?--Launchballer 16:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet a full review, but neither hook seems to be eyecatching. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that BCee and Charlotte Haining's collaborative album Life As We Know It are filled with converted "brain dumps"?

ALT4: ... that Natalie Maddix was inspired to create House Gospel Choir after touring in South Africa?--Launchballer 16:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Still need a full review done, and there are new hooks to consider. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Launchballer: Parts of these (new enough) articles are solid. But both are based excessively on references to Spotify (WP:PRIMARY) and seem indiscriminately padded with release dates of every single song – appropriate for a discography, but undue/OR for prose. Better to include them only when covered in independent reliable sources. If appropriately pared back, probably will want separate hooks. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll do these both in the morning, probably House Gospel Choir first, as it's a smaller job.--Launchballer 00:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Just done House Gospel Choir. I might knock up an article on the Official Christian & Gospel Albums Chart if I judge it to meet WP:GNG, depending on your opinion of the hook ALT5: ... that House Gospel Choir's Re//Choired charted at No. 4 on the Official Christian & Gospel Albums Chart?, though I need longer to make that decision, and I've got Charlotte Haining to do first. I can tell you, on admittedly a point of extreme pedantry, that all the dates on Spotify (which are all coming out anyway) can be accessed by either hovering over the date or clicking on the singles themselves; there is no OR in either article.--Launchballer 09:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hameltion: I just stripped out a load of stuff from Charlotte Haining. Drum and bass seems to be one of those genres where its purveyors are absolutely full of themselves, causing me to overstate the importance of most of her works.--Launchballer 11:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

@Launchballer: What makes some of these replacement sources for HGC reliable (themusicessentials.com seems sponsored, findyoursounds.com)? And Haining is still half sourced to databases and other primary sources. To be clear, the OR here was not about whether information is correct (Spotify can help supplement with dates), but whether a large amount of information is independently noteworthy at all. I'm not eager to pass these articles at the moment, but second opinion wanted for their current or future state. ALT2 (if copyedited and and independently verified) would be interesting. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Just to say that neither source currently appears in Haining's article.--Launchballer 23:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

• I have now made further fixes and expanded House Gospel Choir, adding more secondary sources including album and concert reviews, and answering basic questions one would expect to have explained in an encyclopedia article, like "What year did the choir start?" and "How many members does it have?" and "What kind of music do they sing?" I would propose splitting out this nomination separately from Charlotte Haining, as I think more interesting hooks are possible for HGC on its own. ALT2 above certainly got my attention in the first place; have now inserted "very" before "first". Here is another one for consideration:

• ALT5: ... that House Gospel Choir accompanied Steven BartlettinDiary of a CEO in what a reviewer called "the most bonkers night I have ever spent at the theatre"? Cielquiparle (talk) 05:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done.--Launchballer 08:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)