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I propose to add a new parameter to specify the geographic location of each breed. I see the fact that that we only have a parameter for the breed's origin very unpractical. Borders have changed many times in history and just having a parameter for their origin can easily provoke disputes. In fact, one of them is the reason why I'm proposing this change, but I'm sure there have been more before. I also think this new parameter should go below the origin parameter in case it is added. Super Ψ Dro 20:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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This template is still emitting short description even in presence of an explicit {{Short description}}
at the top of the article. We probably need a parameter to suppress the template's short descrption completely. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For most people, a female dog isn’t what comes to mind when they hear the word “bitch”. “Dog” is used to refer to any domestic dog, not just males. “Males and females” is more easily understandable, and not to mention that the word “bitch” means more than just a female dog, and some people don’t even know that it can also mean female dog. “Dogs and bitches” is an old lady way to refer to male and female dogs. On the contrary, “males and females” is clear and easily understandable by most people. I don’t know anyone who uses “dogs and bitches” to refer to male and female dogs, but I’ve seen people use “males and females” a lot. Amogus girl (talk) 06:15, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a great example of American exceptionalism. When I hear 'bitch' used in encyclopaedic matter I think of a dog. >“Males and females” is more easily understandable So should we call steers 'male cows' because cow is more understood than cattle or steer? >and not to mention that the word “bitch” means more than just a female do The main meaning of 'bitch' is a female dog whence the slur.
>I hope that in 2023 no one uses "Dogs and bitches" to refer male and female Why? There are many articles on Wikipedia with the word 'nigger' in it. Which is a more offensive slur and the non-offensive uses of the term are outweighed by the offensive uses. There are also graphic depictions of genitalia and surgery on Wikipedia. If you get offended by proper nomenclature that is due to your own ignorance and I fail to see why Wikipedia should indulge that. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Change "dogs" and "bitches" for "males" and "females". 92.177.63.37 (talk) 21:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Justlettersandnumbers: As it appears to me, this topic is far from being "discussed ad nauseam
" as you've said in your revert's summary, considering that (1) that discussion you linked in your summary only involved two people (one of them is you), (2) the discussion in this very template talk page that implemented the technical terms only involved the same two people, and that (3) in this very template talk page, we have some people arguing and requesting for us to use "males" and "females" instead.
Tackling some of the points of the discussion you linked, the documents cited in your discussions to use the technical terms are so old. The FCI document is from 2002, AKC from 1996, ANKC (archived) from 1994, KC from 1994, and NZKC from 1994. We're in 2023. We also don't use "ass", "pig", or "worm" to refer to either only male or female animals, which is the scope of my change.
What do we gain from not just saying "males" and "females"? Compounding the fact that non-dog-related definition(s) of "bitch" are insulting, the technical definitions of "dog" and "bitch" just mean "male dog" and "female dog", so what gives? Why not the language that doesn't need the technical knowledge of "'dog' = male dog, 'bitch' = female dog" and thus is clearer to a general audience? LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 04:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I find this parameter to be more problematic than of any benefit. Life expectancy varies based on a multitude of factors and a simple parameter cannot provide context for the figure that prose can.
I don't see what benefit having this information in the infobox actually does, it's not something a reader would particularly want to gloss over.
The dog breed template is the only one that happens to include it with no other animal breed template including it. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]