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Why are the Taskforce parameters in cammelcase?[edit]
Seems odd to have the other parameters in all lowercase, but the reproductive taskforce parameters Reproductive and ReproductiveImp in cammelcase. (Confusing to have to capitalize Reproductive.) Zodon (talk) 04:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just copied that formatting from another WikiProject (I don't remember which one). If you want to rename them, go ahead. These parameters have not been used yet. But you should somehow indicate that imp(ortance) is a separate word. Maybe "reproductive-imp" or "reproductive-importance?" --Scott Alter04:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I looked around to try to see what other task forces do. Most of the ones I found that used multiple-word parameters (e.g. sex workers task force, Template:WPMILHIST, Template:WPBiography) seem to use words with dashes in them. I edited the WPMED/new version to use reproductive and reproductive-imp. Any preferences about whether it would be better to spell out -importance, or just leave it at -imp? I am mildly inclined to the shorter version for less typing. I haven't found others with separate importance parameter. Thanks. Zodon (talk) 06:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
After doing a bit of searching, I found that {{Mammal}} uses camel case parameters and separate importance ratings. We don't have to use separate importance ratings, but it is a nice feature to have. I prefer the shorter reproductive-imp, too. --Scott Alter07:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be agreement so I will request the change.
If an article is tagged task force = yes, but no taskforce-imp is assigned, will it appear in the task force's list as unknown importance, or with the same importance as the overall project? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Task force articles without a task force importance will automatically use the importance for WPMED. I realize that it is difficult to tell which articles have a taskforce-imp parameter used and which use the importance parameter - so if you don't like this behavior, we could change it to something else. What would your ideal situation be? --Scott Alter20:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To get an admin's attention for this, you should use {{editprotected}}. However, as I think you mentioned elsewhere, maybe we should wait for the other task forces and do one big update. --Scott Alter03:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please copy the version of this template at Template:WPMED/new to here? The changes I made include added support for the new (and soon to become) task forces: Gastroenterology, Medical genetics, Nephrology, Ophthalmology, Pathology, and Radiology. Even if some of these projects do not become task forces, there is no harm in adding the code for future use. I also created {{WPMED/taskforces}} to reduce duplicate coding for each task force added. Thanks. --Scott Alter05:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So all we need now is for an admin to unprotect the page, replace the entire contents with the contents of the other page, and then re-protect it?
BTW, do we really think this page needs to be fully protected on spec? As I understand it, there's never been any actual vandalism of it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done - please check works as expected ! Might not be any past vanadlism but I rather suspect feeling was too tempting a target, but we could certainly semiprotect to ensure only registered editors can change (vs any old anon). ? David RubenTalk23:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Everything is working as expected. I too would like to see this template only semi-protected. As WhatamIdoing mentioned, there has never been any vandalism of this page. Additionally, could you semi-protect {{WPMED/taskforces}}, since it is transcluded here? Thanks. --Scott Alter01:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done - Shimgray was fine about lifting to semi-protection[1] so I've enacted that - let me know if needs reprotecting at any point, else go to WP:AN/I if speedy action needed for repeated disruption. David RubenTalk20:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You guys might be interested in using the {{WPBannerMeta}} template. It certainly makes it easier to add new taskforces, etc. to the banner. I've made a start in the sandbox so you can see what it looks like. (Only one taskforce is implemented so far.) So for example, {{Template:WikiProject Medicine/sandbox|class=start|importance=mid|dermatology=yes|dermatology-imp=high}} produces the following. Martin14:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I've considered using the {{WPBannerMeta}} template in the past, but it has a limit of 15 taskforces (5 by default, and an additional 10 using the taskforce hook). There are currently 11 taskforces in WPMED. Although there are no current active proposals for additional ones, I can envision this project having more than 15. Since everything is working now with the current template, with the potential to outgrow {{WPBannerMeta}}, I felt no reason to make the switch. --Scott Alter03:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, you can add as many as you need by calling the hook multiple times. I agree that if it is working correctly now then there is perhaps no need to rush into this. But perhaps when it comes to adding more you might like to consider it again. Regards, Martin06:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just modified {{WPMED/sandbox}} to include all of the task forces (including cardiology). If we choose to use {{WPBannerMeta}}, there will be two issues to deal with. First, the template uses Category:Unassessed medicine articles instead of Category:Unassessed-Class medicine articles (what we currently use for medicine and our task forces too). The migration to the new categories should be easy, and just requires the creation of 12 new categories and deletion of 12 old categories.
Second, task forces with no specific importance are automatically assigned Unknown-importance, instead of the same importance as WPMED. Our options to deal with this include letting the banner classify these articles as Unknown-importance, or trying to have a hook written for {{WPBannerMeta}} to do the classification our way. Making task force articles without a specified importance might be better as Unknown-importance, since it would not mix the project's priorities with the task forces' priorities. So I think I would be in favor of using {{WPBannerMeta}} with the articles without task force importance as Unknown-importance. --Scott Alter21:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty easy to do, if you did want the main importance to be used for the taskforces. For example
Actually, there is still a slight problem with this method. Currently, when we use the main importance for the task force, the banner does not display an importance for the task force. This is the indication that the importance came from WPMED and not the individual task force. If we go with {{WPBannerMeta}}, one would have to look at the wiki code to see where the importance rating came from. I think I would be in favor of leaving the articles with Unknown-importance, rather than taking the main importance. Anyone have a preference one way or the other? --Scott Alter01:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had thought that someone recently changed it back to full protection, but it appears as though that was just for moving the page. I made the changes. --Scott Alter21:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer that taskforce importance be inherited from WPMedicine importance (as it was before the change). For many purposes the WPMED assessments are good enough, with maybe some tweeking for individual articles, rather than having to add hundreds to thousands more assessments.
Was this issue brought up in the taskforce talk areas, or in the mess? I was quite startled when I suddenly saw that the reproductive medicine articles had almost all lost importance assessment information. It took some tracking to find this. Think since the taskforces are ones mainly affected, input should be requested in their talk areas, and in the mess.
It seems that different taskforces are split over this ... I will change reproductive over to use the main importance by default. Perhaps you could find out if there are others that want to do this as well. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks.
It looks like WPBannerMeta could be adapted to give the option of having taskforce importance inherited, as WPMED did. I am still looking at the code, but intend to propose such a change there. Zodon (talk) 00:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. I changed the wording to exactly match the default task force text. The only difference is that if there is no reproductive-imp given, there will be no "(marked as x-importance)." I think the task forces should not use the WPMED importance variable by default. If they request it, we could implement it on a per task force basis. --Scott Alter22:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks MSGJ, that was a simpler solution than the one I had figured out.
Maybe there shouldn't be a default either way - task force has to decide initially which way to do it (whether to have task force importance rating, and if so, whether to inherit from WPMED, or do their own.) But don't think it is critical, as long as they know the options exist. Zodon (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that you only want some of the extended 'quality' classes, i.e. template, dab and category. Instead of hiding the warnings from the page it would be better to create a custom class mask to accept only the classes that your project wants. See Template:WPBannerMeta/class for details. Martinmsgj07:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The "quality scale" and "importance scale" links in the new-and-improved metabanner do not link to WP:MEDA; they link to what will hereinafter be referred to as "the wrong pages". This needs to be changed. Is there a straightforward solution? Is there a parameter we can set to fix this? If not, then I think we need to migrate back to the hand-made template so we can avoid pointing people to the wrong pages.
Unfortunately there is no way to do this at the moment, although it may be a good thing to bring up at Template talk:WPBannerMeta because it's been requested before. But it wouldn't make sense to link "rated" and "importance scale" to the same page, so what do you propose exactly? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let me have a think about this. Perhaps if the assessent link is specified, then the "importance scale" links to this and "rated" remains unlinked. Would that work? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that only one link is necessary. IMO, "rated" does not need to be linked, and "quality scale" and "importance scale" should be linked to "ASSESSMENT_LINK#quality scale" and "ASSESSMENT_LINK#importance scale," respectively. Why does there need to be a link to WP:1.0 on every assessment banner? --Scott Alter00:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
MSGJ's proposal sounds good to me. If it's trivially done, it might be worth changing the text from "the importance scale" to "the project's importance scale", to make the distinction even clearer. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, just for show. The proper rating would of course be on the talk page, like the one at the top of this page ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like an excellent idea. It would need two steps: adding support for some new parameters to the project banner, and placing a request on WP:BOTREQ for a bot to go round and make the substitutions. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have an example of a project where the COTW function is used? I'm wondering what this would look like as far as both templates, categories, and any discussions. Especially compared to the existing setup. -Optigan13 (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe there are at least six templates which could be merged into the project banner. I have listed these on Template talk:WPMED/sandbox and made the changes to Template:WPMED/sandbox. To give you an idea of what it would look like in practice, this is what the banner on Talk:AIDS would be like:
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Obviously the icons can be changed. This section will currently automatically collapse if 3 or more notes are displayed. This could be adjusted (say to 2) if desired. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just to make sure this would just affect the past portal and COTW articles correct? Not the currently proposed for next COTW or the current COTW right? Just wanted to make sure we wouldn't need a bot to do long term maintenance on this one, just the initial transition. -Optigan13 (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of maintenance do we need to have any bots perform regular maintenance such as switching what was a nominee to a failed collab nominee or anything like that. Just seeing what if anything would be required of people maintaining the collaboration pages on a regular basis if we switch? -Optigan13 (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Which update would that be? Going by how long these things normally take, you could be waiting a long time! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It occurred to me that you might be able to simplify the syntax by using |MCOTW=nom, |MCOTW=prev and |MCOTW=cur instead of |MCOTWnom=yes, |MCOTWprev=yes and |MCOTWcur=yes. (The idea is that only one of the three should be active at any one time.) I've put some code in the sandbox for you to look at. Alternatively you may feel this makes it more complicated, so feel free to undo! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me, although I've already replaced the template with a few MCOTWprev=yes calls, so those would need replacement whenever we get around to the bot run. Doesn't seem overly complicated to me, but I've worked up some overly complicated templates myself {{pjpt}}. Would it be possible to pass a nomination date parameter and have the template compare to the current date on whether it is a nominee, current, or previous collaboration. I'm also wondering if there is a bot that performs collaboration maintenance (updating from nominee, current, and previous nominee). -Optigan13 (talk) 07:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I forgot that would enforcing a set period for the nomination to either pass or expire. Probably best to stick to MCOTW=nom/cur/prev and set up some sort of standardized process with bot automation for this. I'm assuming other projects would use this logic as it applies to meta banner and not just wpmed. -Optigan13 (talk) 10:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are actually very few WikiProjects which have an active collaboration process. There are a few which use the collaboration hook and it might be worth looking at what they do, but I am not aware of any particular bot for collaboration purposes. I suggest you post a request on WP:BOTREQ because they are pretty good at getting things done there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:03, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Might want to wait a few days to make sure, but everything looks good to me. Then I'll go back and request a bot replacement of the templates. (I had to hold off on the replacement of the old ones to fix an issue with portal DYKs.) -Optigan13 (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I oppose this, as the person most likely to be typing it. We have redirects, and there's actually zero benefit to moving the banner. Xeno, I'm guessing that you didn't read any of the discussions about that proposal. (I just updated the links on its talk pages.) WP:Standardize is a failed proposal that was opposed by editors whose judgment I trust, including:
Hiding: "For the record, I'm still not sold this is a move that has to happen."
Kirill Lokshin: "Ditto. I think this is just work for its own sake (and not really helpful work, either, as the longer template names will make the banners more time-consuming for normal editors to use)."
Ned Scott: "My take, redirects are cheap and there for this kind of reason :)"
In fact, pretty much the only editor in favor of it was HappyMelon, who seems to have been motivated by nothing more than a desire for neatness. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You can still type the redirect. The main benefits (among others) is having a standard form among other banners, and the ability for bots to easily recognize the template. As for your comment that the linked page didn't gain consensus - that is why I am seeking local consensus here. The advantages are still relevant, which is why I've linked it so I don't have to repeat myself. Your comment that only Happy-melon supported it is not accurate, but that isn't relevant to this discussion. –xenotalk12:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- having tried to co-ordinate a cross-project task, of generating lists of unreferenced BLPs, and being told by the Bot coder that I needed to use the actual template name, not a redirect, the WikiProject template naming system is a mess. Look at the range of names that are in use. The sooner we get all the projects aligned, the sooner maintenance tasks can be setup automatically, and not with a lot of effort.The-Pope (talk) 16:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am working on getting a new task force dealing with "translation" up and running. Details can be here Wikipedia:MED/Translation_project. Wondering if someone could create it in the template. I am sure I would break it. If we could use this image "Translation Barnstar.svg". Want to be able to track page views of all the articles within the project. Thanks --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible that this template could be altered to include a datestamp of when an article was last evaluated? There are some articles (egspondylolysis, spondylolithesis) that seem to have ratings that refer to past versions of the articles, or eg have deteriorated below the quality rating assigned. A datestamp would be extremely valuable in interpreting the consensus quality scale that the WikiProject Medicine has given.
I'm in the early stages of developing a Lua-based replacement for {{WPBannerMeta}}, and I would appreciate peoples ideas for features. If there is anything that you have wanted to do with your WikiProject template, but haven't been able to due to limitations in the meta-template, I would be very interested to hear it. The discussion is over at Template talk:WPBannerMeta. — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪13:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed improvements to the WikiProject Medicine banner documentation[edit]
I have made a number of proposed improvements to the documentation for this template. You may find them at Template:WikiProject Medicine/proposed doc. Because I am not part of WikiProject Medicine, I did not want to simply copy them in without some review. These changes should help to include some features common in the documentation for other WikiProject banners using the {{WPBannerMeta}} template.
Among the proposed changes that I wish to make:
Copy-n-paste basic usage versions of both {{WikiProject Medicine}} & {{WPMED}}
A copy-n-paste Extended Usage version of {{WikiProject Medicine}} with all (now) documented parameters
New documentation sections for Importance scale, Listas, & Template layout.
While |importance= had been mentioned, it is now more fully documented
|listas= & |small= were functional but previously undocumented parameters
Expanded the documentation for |class= under Assessment
Switched to the {{para|<parameter name>}} & {{para|<parameter name>|<value>}} constructs rather than using ''<parameter name>'' = , for consitency with other WikiProject banners, such as Template:WikiProject Biography
Minor layout, formatting, & copyedit changes
Please leave comments to let me know whether these proposed improvements are acceptable & desirable.