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Too many stupid edits from this and my User:Hagedis accounts, that I don't want to be blamed for, and also residual annoyance at the complaints about my user name.
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Welcome to Wikipedia, "(". May I call you Ell Paren? Or would you prefer Frowning Smiley? ^_^ --Uncle Ed
Hello there! Interesting user name - At first I thought it was some type of database error. Have fun! --mav
Hello erm "open bracket" - fonzy
Welcome Here. I am Youssef, a student from Belgium. I use to be on the French wiki. I am also interested in Mexico and economy. -- Youssefsan
Hi. I like the work you are doing on prime ministers, etc. Deb 12:07 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)
Hey...are you planning to do a reorganisation of the Iraq invasion pages? Creating a stub US-led invasion page isn't a good idea, IMO, the discussion on the US Invasion page was about RENAMING that page US-led invasion... --AW
Hi! I've checked with political science textbooks, election manuals and various websites and the vast majority capitalise Single Transferable Vote where it refers to the name of the electoral system rather than simply talking about the methodology and what a single transferable vote is. I've put a list of some of the many websites that capitalise the title on the talk page - it includes everything from formal discussion groups to the BBC, pages on the system itself to sites on the Irish and Maltese electoral systems that use STV. As the evidence is overwhelming (indeed another wiki page mentioning STV in lower case stands out like a sore thumb surrounded by sites all with the term capitalised!) I renamed the page to the capitalised name version. It seems the logical thing to do. :) STÓD/ÉÍRE 03:08 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
Actually it is not trivial. Getting titles right is the first most basic requirement of a sourcebook. If wiki wrote about 'president bush' rather than 'President Bush', france rather than 'France' or 'Great britain' rather than 'Great Britain' it would look to anyone consulting it to be a semi-illiterate, unreliable sourcebook. The first task of any publication is to get the spelling right, the second the correct capitalisation. If they are wrong, people instinctively ask - how can I trust its articles if it can't even get the title right?
As to STV, if the article read
A single transferable vote is a vote that is transferred between candidates in elections. Many electoral systems provide for the use of a single transferable vote to enable a voter to have maximum influence in the outcome of an election in a district or constituency
then one would not use capitalisation, because you are simply talking in general non-specific terms about a broad topic. But if you are talking about the form voting system, it requires capitalisation to indicate clearly to readers that what you are talking about is a formal name, not a generalised method. So STV in those contacts is capitalised just as George Bush is capitalised, Prince Charles is capitalised, etc. You can write about a president, but a specific office or person requires capitalisation, eg. the President, President of the United States, President of Ireland, Queen of the United Kingdom. But if you were talking about a united kingdom (ie., an unnamed kingdom that is united), not the United Kingdom, you should not capitalise.
The severe acute respiratory syndrome, meaning the specific name of an illness should be capitalised, such as with Aids, etc But if you are talking about a severe acutre respiratory syndrome, it shouldn't. As to seeing it capitalised in some places and not in others, it depends on whether it is being used generally or specifically. Some people, even when dealing with the specific illness, fail to capitalise, to the fury of english language experts. The whole point about capitalisation is that it is intended to help readers know whether the words are specific to a person/office/illness/voting system/general etc. Not capitalising what should be capitalised is all too often pure laziness or ignorance of the rules, which reflects rather badly on the standard of english language teaching.
Publishing house rules differ, depending on the market a book is aimed for. A serious academic textbook is expected to have its capitalisation 100% right, just as it is expected to have grammar 100% correct. Novels and less academic books sometimes are more flexible, but it is the reader that loses out. Capitalisation is not intended to be a pointless set of rules, but rules that help the reader know the importance of certain words in a text. A good rule of thumb is whether a term is preceded by a definite or indefinite article; theora. So
etc etc. I hope that clarifies the situation a bit. STÓD/ÉÍRE 19:07 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
No. The President is a title. A pen is an object. Capitalisation only occurs for names, whether it is of a person, an office, an institution, a voting system, etc. A pen is not a name. Now if you call it Jeremy then it would require capitalisation, maybe even as 'Jeremy the Pen'. But pen itself is just a term to refer to an object. It isn't the same as George Bush (even if more intelligent - opps. My dislike of 'Shrub' is coming out again!), Queen Elizabeth, Garret FitzGerald, etc And no, the rules are the elementary building blocks of a language, as fundamental as wiki rules about how to lay out a page, how to state dates, etc. Not adhering to them creates more problems than it solves. Properly applied, the use of appropriate capitals should make it easy for a reader at a glance to answer the basic questions 'who? what? where?' because the important names, locations, etc would stand out through the use of capitals. They are as basic as full stops. STÓD/ÉÍRE 20:56 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
Because Single Transferable Vote is the name of a voting system, just as Proportional Representation is the name of an electoral system, John Paul II is the name of a man, Daily Telegraph is the name of a newspaper, Washington, DC the name of a city, Iraq the name of a state. A pen is simply a pen. It is not a name, it is simply an object, like a shoe, a watch, a moustache, etc. A river is simply a river. But the Liffey is the name of a river so always has a capital letter. A clock is merely a clock. But Big Ben is the name of a clock. It is the fundamental rule of grammar. STÓD/ÉÍRE 21:35 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
That is what I said. A non-universal function means something which has a narrow, specific meaning. Pope John Paul is an example. It refers to a specific individual, not all men. Single Transferable Vote is another example. It refers to a specific defined voting system. Liffey refers to a specific river, whereas river doesn't. In contrast pen has no non-universal function, it has a broad, undefined meaning that covers a wide range of writing objects, whereas 'Jeremy the Pen' refers to one specific pen not all pens. Re-molecular biology, if the term is used in the specific non universal sense, yes of course it is capitalised. If if is used in a broad undefined manner, it isn't. It is perfectly straightforward and obvious. A proper noun is capitalised. A proper noun is a item-specific noun that has a limited meaning. So a queen isn't specific. Queen Elizabeth is capitalised because it is specific. When you use single transferable vote in the non-specific sense to talk in broad general terms about voting, it isn't capitalised. When, as in the wiki article, it is specific, as in the formal name of a formally and narrowly defined voting system, it is always capitalised. I fail to understand what you are having a problem with here. It is quite clear and obvious.
Or it would if it was taught properly at school, which it isn't unfortunately. It doesn't help if we get something as staightforward as Single Transferable Vote wrong in the title. If everyone followed the basic rules of grammar, the meanings would be patiently obvious. What a proper noun is would be patently obvious. But by hap-hazardly on wiki and elsewhere not bothering with grammatical rules, we have confusion, with people not knowing what is capitalised and what isn't and something as clear cut as the name of a formal, clearly defined voting system produces widespread confusion. STÓD/ÉÍRE 23:11 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
You might be interested to know (then again you might not), that I've kicked of a Wikiproject page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage, so discussion can be lumped together in one place :). Mintguy 10:26, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Strong_pale_ale. I'd appreciate your remarks. Stewartadcock 18:44, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Can I recommend a name change? Your user name is very short, hard to click on, and a bit of a nuisance, frankly. May I suggest a few possible alternatives? "open paren", "paren", "right paren", "unhappy face", etc. ;-) Daniel Quinlan 23:24, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
Your choice of user name is an abuse of the system bcz it is hard to recognize as a user name. Please change to something with some pronouncable letters in it. --Jerzy 00:01, 2004 Jan 22 (UTC)
Whatever problems you had with the system are no excuse for ignoring the clear instructions given when you take on a user name, to choose something with letters in it. Others have changed name without problems, as you should. --Jerzy 23:23, 2004 Feb 4 (UTC)
I've put in a brief article to explain diel for you (and all the other people who would be baffled, too) seglea 10:03, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Where's the paren? Dori | Talk 05:56, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)
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