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What a delightful message to get! Thank you so much, jengod. I love cooking and I love eating, and it is always a pleasure to write little articles about minor culinary topics. Tim riley talk16:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! You recently reverted my edit at Randall Davidson which mentioned the Housing and Town Planning Act 1909. Would you mind explaining why you thought it was disproportionate? At WP:Proportion, it says that undue weight should not be given to minor aspects, but this was a short sentence in a section regarding Randall's role in domestic political affairs during the time - I would have thought this would not amount to undue weight. Additionally it might be worth noting that the act was contested in the House of Lords, though I didn't make that clear in my edit. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts! Gazamp (talk) 23:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Among the other matters on which Davidson spoke in the Lords at about the time of the Housing and Town Planning Act were colonial marriages, election meetings in school rooms, House of Lords reform, inspection of laundries, prevention of corruption, liquor traffic in Nigeria, merchant vessels and first aid, outrages on Jews in Russia, Sunday trading, small holdings and allotments, street traffic in London and women in county and borough councils. In an article of a few thousand words we cannot give every single detail of a person's life: it is our job to concentrate on what is notable so far as the subject is concerned. The Housing and Town Planning Act is not mentioned in the Times obituary (1930), the Dictionary of National Biography (1937) or the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2011), and does not even merit so much as a passing mention in Bishop Bell's two-volume biography of Davidson (1935).
Discussions of this sort should be on an article talk page, where any interested editor can spot them, rather than on a user's talk page, visited by few. Tim riley talk08:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Tim Riley,
I see you reverted my edit on W. Somerset Maugham. I would like to share my reasoning so that this does not result in an edit war. I changed the wording because the phrase "achieved national celebrity" could be confusing to many readers. I disagree with your reasoning for the revert for the following reasons:
"is prioritized in the OED" - The first meaning for a word listed in the dictionary is not always the most common one.
"is more appropriate for the time period" - It makes no sense to base wording of an article on the time period its topic is about. The meaning of "celebrity" referring to a person is more appropriate for the time period we are in right now.
As an editor that reads casually, I am concerned with the experience of casual readers. I think that this wording is problematic because it may make many readers, especially those born more recently, do a double-take since it uses a fairly frequently used word in an uncommon way and thus may confuse people. I would like to understand your perspective on this issue as I do not want an edit war, and I hope we can resolve this while keeping Wikipedia accessible to the general public.
This sort of discussion belongs on an article talk page where it can be seen by any interested editor, rather than on a user talk page where it will be seen by few. If you like to raise your proposal on the article talk page we can see what the consensus is. Tim riley talk17:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I have to wonder whether reproducing the entire text is suitable anyway, although removing it will require major restructuring of the section at least. What think you? Any editorial thoughts or suggestions? Or even active fixes? (Btw, I think the Hector Berlioz FA page is a wonderful achievement. I'm not at all possessive about this particular page, which I'd just like to see improved.)
I don't object to quoting Berlioz's programme note in full – he's reasonably terse – and Microsoft and Google both offer decent attempts at an English translation.
Microsoft
The author supposes that a young musician, afflicted with that moral disease which a famous writer calls the vagueness of passions, sees for the first time a woman who unites all the charms of the ideal being of which his imagination dreamed, and becomes madly in love with her. By a singular oddity, the cherished image never presents itself to the artist's mind except in connection with a musical thought, in which he finds a certain passionate, but noble and timid character like that which he attributes to the beloved object.
Google:
The author supposes that a young musician, affected by this moral illness that a famous writer calls the vagueness of passions, sees for the first time a woman who combines all the charms of the ideal being that his imagination dreamed of, and in becomes hopelessly in love. By a singular oddity, the cherished image never presents itself to the artist's mind unless linked to a musical thought, in which he finds a certain passionate, but noble and timid character like that which he attributes to the loved object.
A bit of tweaking is needed ("vague des passions") and later in the text: "fixed idea" needs untranslating and leaving as idée fixe (did you know that Asterix's dog, Dogmatix, is Idéfix in the original French?) and both Microsoft and Google are understandably stumped by ranz des vaches: I particularly like Microsoft's: "he hears two shepherds talking to a cow in the distance".
Oh, thanks so much for that Tim, including the ideal fixes and doggy tidbix (DIK? - no! "... like a bunch of lovesick cattle - weight?). Yes, of course I fully concur (and am lazily relieved that the layout won't need shrinking - I'm rather attached to the manuscript images appearing alongside the relevant content, though I imagine that editorial opinions on that might vary...).
Oof... my excuse for coming to your esteemed talk page, rather than the article talk page was, of course, the particular copyvio aspect. I suppose that in addition to following standard copyvio process, we should really post my OP question (minus the personal effusions :) and your considered response on the article talk page (I'm happy to do that, of course :).
I suppose a residual concern could regard machine translation of idiomatic French phrases such as maladie morale ("moral disease"), where I assume the sense of morale broadly corresponds to the 5th entry here ("spiritual diseasemalady / ailment", perhaps[?]). Of course, I'd be happy to collaborate on such tweaks, even though my translation skills are notoriously atrocious, haha. 86.132.54.124 (talk) 15:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've finished translating Berlioz's comments via Google and Microsoft. If you care to look in at my sandpit and tweak I shall be pleased. I am now working on a new section for the article covering critical opinion from the 1830s onwards. Suggestions welcome. Tim riley talk17:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding: Splendid Tim! (...one minor suggestion). So happy for the page... I believe it's worth it. (marginal note: please don't feel in any way style-cramped by my "attachment" to manuscript images alongside the text :) Cheers! 86.177.202.242 (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The manuscript score is online and it is clear that Berlioz put a da capo and repeat marking in the Marche au supplice. But I mean, really! "Oh, we're nearly there, chaps, but let's go back to the clink and start the procession all over again!" I'm reluctant to draw attention to this silliness. The repeat isn't mentioned in the article and I'm inclined to leave it like that. Tim riley talk17:23, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for doing the GAR on Robert Hooke. I appreciate it.
I have been so immersed in it for the past couple of weeks that I can no longer see the wood for the trees. Did you happen to notice any suitable DYK hooks in passing?
I found a good one, but we can't use it :-^ In researching the aphorism attributed to Clairaut,
"Il ne faut pas croire que cette idée ... de Hook diminue la gloire de M. Newton ["One must not think that this idea ... of Hooke diminishes Newton's glory"], Clairaut wrote; "L'exemple de Hook & celui de Kepler [serve] à faire voir quelle distance il y a entre une vérité entrevue & une vérité démontrée ["The example of Hooke and of Kepler" [serves] "to show what a distance there is between a truth that is glimpsed and a truth that is demonstrated"]
I found that the original claim (Ball, W W R (1893). An essay on Newton's "Principia". London: MacMillan. p. 69.) and the many subsequent citations of it would fail verification if it were in a Wikipedia article!
The original source is Clairaut, Alexis (1759). "Exposition abregée du systême du monde, et explication des principaux phénomenes astronomiques tirée des Principes de M. Newton" [Abridged explanation of the world system and an explanation of the principal astronomical phenomena drawn from the Principia of Mr Newton]. Principes mathématiques de la philosophie naturelle. By Newton, Isaac. Rigaud (ed.). Vol. 2. Paris: Desaint et Saillant.
The aphorism is attributed to Clairaut in Ball (1893), but the introduction (Avertissement) in Volume1 merely says that the Exposition is drawn in the main from the works of Clairaut or from the notebooks that he had previously given in the form of lessons to Madame la Marquise de Chastellet.
Academic standards have gone down the toilet. Something oughter be done! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yours is the rigorous approach that cheers me greatly. For an easily understood and wholly verifiable hook you might perhaps say that in addition to his scientific discoveries he designed the Monument in London and worked with Wren on the rebuilding after the Great Fire. Tim riley talk09:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Tim riley, My latest FAC article is attracting little attention and is now possibly going to be archived without having received a support. Any chance of you taking a look at the article for me, with a view to helping to keep the nomination afloat? Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that! I have replied at my Talk page. If I had only realized that you were the author of the missing comma, I would have been much more reverential in my approach! Um Gottes Willen! I am ashamed.
I am too embarrassed to ask this at the Bliss Talk page (hmmm sounds dodgy) but is there a reason why some of the names of pieces are italicized and others not? Examples: Four Songs for Voice, Violin and Piano; but Music for Strings. I am sure there is some reason for this but, preferably without making the older children laugh at me and throw things, could you please explain how it works?
As a dyed-in-the-wool Savoyard I jumped to the wrong conclusion about "Sir Arthur" in your heading, but yes I am the perpetrator of most of Bliss's article. As I understand the MoS, music titles that are generic such as Mass, Gloria, String Quartet and so on are in Romic but titles that are names are italicised. This is rather a grey area it seems to me. I probably wouldn't italicise "Serenade for Strings" as there are several such, but "Music for Strings" doesn't seem to me a generic title, though I don't press the point. If anyone chancing to read these remarks thinks fit to expand on or contradict them I shall be pleased to see their comments.
You were quite right to insert the comma I neglected to add. I try to spot such omissions when I'm writing, but having been guilty of such lapses since the 1960s I doubt if I'm going to reform adequately now. Very pleased you're planning to look in at the Offenbach FAC. You'll be among friends: Gog the Mild is already weighing in, and so will SchroCat if he knows what's good for him. I hope Dudley and Cassianto might look in, too. Tim riley talk12:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes sorry, wrong knight! I was off down a complete rabbithole because I started with Roy Harris then found to my complete astonishment that Bliss had once taught him.
Thank you very much about the titles. As an area it sounds just perfectly suitable for me to run away screaming. Watch me!
Thanks also re the comma, and the good news regarding friends looking at Offenbach.
Wotcha Tim, that's a fine photo on your Userpage - you could have stepped straight out of Death on the Nile! If you have "World enough, and Time", I'd very much appreciate an extra pair of eyes at the FAC for Grade I listed buildings in England completed in the 20th century. It's currently enjoying one Support, and green lights from the Accessibility and Image reviews, but comments have rather dried up. You were kind enough to comment yourself at PR, and you'll see the ordering has been re-cast as two other editors were as mystified as you by my original structure! I see Herr Offenbach is hardly in need of my support, and he's already had Image and Source reviews, but if there's anything else I can help with, let me know. All going well here but the constant presence of builders is rather distracting. Fortunately, the large number of public holidays and religious festivals enjoyed in this part of the world provides some respite. KJP1 (talk) 07:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Congratulations, Tim riley! The article you nominated, Jacques Offenbach, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
Hey man just questioning as to why you removed my Kate bush thing, is it not part of delius legacy that he was honoured by Kate bush? capstar (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it doesnt quite matter your opinion of how much you enjoy pop music, her song has carried part of his legacy onto the modern world, try not to let your bias cloud the facts capstar (talk) 11:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is neither here nor there. It may be relevant to Ms Bush's article that she plagiarised Delius, but it is not relevant to his. But if you wish to persist, please discuss on the article talk page where your opinions can be seen by any interested editor rather than here where they will not. Tim riley talk11:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think, with the greatest respect, that you have this backwards. Kate Bush refers to Delius and so it should be linked from her article to his: you are reading about Bush and you can click through to see the connection – it is outgoing from her, or rather, correctly, from Never for Ever. But Delius is mentioned or used by lots of people and it is not appropriate to add them all to his article, where it just looks like trivia ... it's just, in the nicest possible way, the wrong way round. Incoming is fine! Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hope that Delius feels absolutely crushed under the weight of the honour that Kate Bush brings upon him; frankly, without her, would he be anything more than a ringtone today... :) ——Serial Number 5412911:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To anyone kind enough to visit this page, I have the article on Robert Schumann up for peer review, and will be grateful for input from colleagues I respect. I don't normally stray deeply into German music and will value comments on whether I have the balance and the tone right. Poor Schumann! What a tragic life! Tim riley talk13:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have indeed got access to Grove, which confirms that Aleksey Ivanovich Kandinsky was the grandson of Wassily. Grove seems to think he's still with us, though born in 1918. I'll email you some more details. Tim riley talk13:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm always tickled by the vagaries of heredity. One of my heroes is Sir Ernest Gowers, of Plain Words, whose father was a leading neurologist, and whose son was a fine composer, grandson a mathematician of international repute, and great-granddaughter the editor of a marvellous update of Plain Words, which is on my shelf alongside the original. – Tim riley talk13:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tim riley I don't believe we've met, but I have long observed your work on English Wikipedia. Given your extensive experience with FAC and PR, I wanted to inform you that I have nominated Catherine, Princess of WalesatFAC. I have already addressed comments from two other users, and user Nikkimaria has completed the image review. Your suggestions at FAC would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to your response and the possibility of future collaborations. Regards.. MSincccc (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tim riley You might be amused to know that I am almost three decades younger than the lady. What are your topics of interest? I have come across your work multiple times in the past two years since becoming a contributor to English Wikipedia. Looking forward to your response and anticipating our future collaborations. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can see what I've been busying myself with these past eighteen years by looking at my user page and opening "Best efforts" and "Brand-new efforts". From what you say I calculate that I'm old enough to be your great-grandfather, though arithmetic was never my strong suit. Tim riley talk18:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're not as old as my grandfather is. Anyway, getting to the point, I'd like to make a comment on the Robert Schumann's FAC when I'm free to do so. Looking forward to your response and anticipating our future collaborations. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 18:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tim riley I don't mean to trouble you, but I'd like to ask if you have an interest in British royalty topics. I'm currently working on improving the Princess of Wales's article and since you were an accessibility reviewer at its archived FAC, would it be alright to notify you when it is listed at peer review? If you prefer not to be notified, please let me know. Otherwise, feel free to review the article and its content. Have a lovely evening ahead, and I look forward to your response. MSincccc (talk) 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tim riley Thank you for your suggestions, which were greatly appreciated. Would you mind leaving a definitive closing note regarding your views on the nomination? I look forward to your response and anticipate our future collaborations. Kind regards.MSincccc (talk) 02:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is using articles from The Times, The Guardian, BBC News and The Daily Telegraph as news sources in a British royalty article fine for an FAC? I am asking you because you are a Britisher as your user page denotes. This is my last point here. Thanks for considering my request. Looking forward to your response. Have a great evening ahead. MSincccc (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments once again @Tim riley. Please do let me know if you have any further suggestions (if any) else let me know what more I can do to make the biography more comprehensive. Looking forward to your response. Regards MSincccc (talk) 06:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tim riley One last comment in this thread, please. If you cannot proceed with further comments at Catherine's PR, would you mind giving me advice as to how I should proceed before re-listing it at FAC? Also please do let me know of whether you will be available at the article's FAC. My sincere apologies if the article was too long for you to thoroughly review but that's how her life has been until now. I would, nevertheless, continue with my efforts to make it a shorter and more concise read. Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 10:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My advice would be to see what other peer reviewers have to say and act on such of their suggestions as you think suitable. Politely reject well-meant suggestions for tweaking your prose unless they correct a grammatical error or clarify meaning: we are not here to impose our stylistic preferences on other editors. I'll look in at FAC if you get there and ping me, although when a subject is one completely outside my areas of interest or expertise I tend to restrict myself to commenting on the prose (ashere for instance) rather than supporting or opposing. Tim riley talk10:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the FAC for this one, your reference to the mud along the Champs-Elysées outside Ledoyen brought back good memories for John and me ... can't believe it's still there! (the mud, not Ledoyen). - Dank (push to talk) 13:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of your work on Igor Stravinsky demonstrating yet again why you are the Wikipedian's Wikipedian. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why you removed my addition of Trollope's novel Is He Popenjoy. The book is referenced on Trollope's bibliography page Anthony Trollope bibliography. Admittedly, the novel is still red (the individual wikipedia page is unwritten) but that is liable to change at any time. PloniAlmoni (talk) 08:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've lost me, I'm afraid. Removed from what? I certainly don't need confirmation that the novel is one of Trollope's. It is one of the many I have read over the years, though not, I seem to remember thinking, one of his best. Tim riley talk11:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see! Thank you, Ss!Is He Popenjoy has certainly a plot strand about a claimant to a title, but, as I recall, he's an innocent little boy (put forward by one of the nastiest villains in all Trollope) and he dies before the end of the novel. Nothing at all like the Tichborne case. Tim riley talk17:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations, Tim riley! The article you nominated, Robert Schumann, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
I have just put the belligerent bishop Hensley Henson up for FAC. He was a combative creature - nothing of Barchester Towers here, but full of interest, I think.