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Today's FA[edit]

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• "The Battle of Villers-Bocage took place on 13 June 1944 during World War II." Perhaps locate this commune by inserting 'in German-occupied France' eg after "Bocage" or "place"? JennyOz (talk) 07:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   Done. Seems sensible. Courtesy ping @Wehwalt:  — Amakuru (talk) 07:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Day-after-tomorrow's FA[edit]

Current DYK[edit]

Next DYK[edit]

• ... that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam is planned to be the first main entry since 2013 in the series Professor Layton, despite it being its developer's most popular media franchise?

But Layton's Mystery Journey, from 2017, says right at the start "It is the seventh main entry in the Professor Layton series". And the main article Professor Layton also calls it "The seventh entry in the main Layton series" and labels the new article (at DYK) "The eighth entry in the main Layton series".

And is it their "most popular media franchise?"? Well, the source used to confirm this is from 2013[1]. Inazuma Eleven had 8 million units sold by 2016, but has since had 2 new games. More importantly, while Layton was said to be at 15 million, Yo-kai Watch is another franchise of the company which has seen many releases since 2013, and our article states that it is at 17 million sold copies, plus movies, toys, ... Fram (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article seems to differentiate between "main series" games, and "spin off" games. This is a main series game, whereas the 2017 one was a spin off. Is "main entry" supposed to refer to main series? Secretlondon (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noted this on WT:DYK as a not too interesting hook that relied on a technicality, but didn't catch the popular franchise bit was outdated too. Not sold on the original hook idea either, some thinking needed (Template:Did you know nominations/Professor Layton and the New World of Steam). CMD (talk) 14:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should be well known that other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources: while Layton's Mystery Journey's states "it is the seventh main entry", this fact is not cited in the article, as far as I can tell. Would adding "then" into the hook (i.e. "its developer's then-most popular...") solve any remaining concerns? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but if your DYK hook and article don't align with our main articles on the subject, it doesn't look too good. Anyway, Gamespot says "Professor Layton and the New World of Steam is the first mainline game since 2017's Layton's Mystery Journey". Fram (talk) 14:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Putting aside what other Wikipedia articles say, this hook the first main entry since 2013 and the related text in the article the last main-series game before New World of Steam was announced was Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy (released 2013) and the last spin-off was Layton's Mystery Journey (released 2017) fails verification against the cited sources:

• From Ref #2
  • what many would refer to as another proper Professor Layton title -- "what many would refer to" does not mean "is"; the qualification in the source didn't make it into the article or the hook
  • [the previous game, "Layton's Mystery Journey"] was always going to be more of a spinoff from the main story -- doesn't mean "is a spinoff"; again, it's qualified ("always going to be more of")
• From Ref #3: The last time we heard from the puzzle-solving lad was in 2017 with Layton's Mystery Journey on the Nintendo 3DS, making this the first entry in five years and the first time Layton has appeared on the Switch. -- Ref #3 says nothing about "main" vs. "spinoff"

So it seems we took a source (ref #2) that says "what many would refer to as [the first main entry]" and used it to support "the first main entry," which is not what the source is saying. The other source (ref #3) contradicts that reading because it doesn't distinguish between "main" and "spinoff", and yet it's used as a cite for "last spin-off" in the article.

Also as Fram points out, the 2013 "most popular" source is outdated. Ref #3, dated 2023, meanwhile, says "an incredibly popular series" but not most popular.

I've edited the article to fix the above, which means these hook claims are no longer in the article. I also added a sentence (from ref #2) about the company changing its mind about whether or not it would release games on consoles internationally. And so I suggest this alternative hook (or something like it): ... that after announcing it would no longer release games on consoles outside of Japan, Level-5 switched by announcing that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam would be internationally released on Nintendo Switch? That's not really great but it's the most interesting hook I can think of for this article. Levivich (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging nom Suntooooth and reviewer SL93. Levivich (talk) 15:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly can't think of an interesting hook from the article. I think it's a bland article, but I also do not play video games or follow them. SL93 (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm generally not a fan of "Did you know ... that [company] is releasing [product]?" hooks, because it's using the main page for commercial advertising, and unfortunately there just may not be anything else to say about this game. Levivich (talk) 15:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I haven't got the free time at the moment to respond properly. I've glanced at the rest of the discussion and if the consensus is that the hook isn't supported and nothing else from the article would be suitable, I have no qualms with removing the hook and declining the article for DYK. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 16:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam features a new puzzle designer than previous entries? SL93 (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Next-but-one DYK[edit]

Today's OTD[edit]

Tomorrow's OTD[edit]

• 13 June 1881 - at "came to an end when the USS Jeannette" pls italicise Jeannette JennyOz (talk) 07:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• 1996 – After an 81-day standoff ... group Montana Freemen surrendered to the FBI. - Article (correctly) gives date as June 14 and Ref 9 NYT dated 14 June has "The last 16 members of the Freemen anti-Government group handed themselves over to Federal agents tonight, ... After 81 days of resistance, the members of the right-wing group simply climbed into Government vans..."

This item last appeared on OTD on 13 June 2012 at which time it didn't actually have a date. June 14 was added here on 21 June 2012. JennyOz (talk) 07:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Day-after-tomorrow's OTD[edit]

Friday's FL[edit]

(June 14)

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(June 17)

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