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Thank you, I have access to multiple sources of information both on and offline but many are subscription only or paper based records. Unfortunately for many people who preceded widespread digital references. He was awarded an OBE for public service and was the longest serving Principal Probation Officer in London's history. I am not sure how to proceed or whether he will remain in obscurity. Zaccwm (talk) 13:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I think it would be fine to have a mention of the award in the article, but your addition appeared to be a press release copied verbatim. We should probably just include a sentence or so, and provide an appropriate source for the information. Cheers, Basie (talk) 00:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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reads like a eulogy?
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This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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Again, please stop using the 'en-academic.com' to support your article. This is a clearly-identified mirror and cannot be used as a source. Sam Kuru(talk)11:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for identifying the offending article. Many of the features of Wikipedia make cross referencing 'easy', it is hard to distinguish which are acceptable and which are not. The source of this information was the 2007 Centenary of Probation which is no longer available online. I have physical print outs of those pages but given that the internet archive failed to capture them completely it is hard to reference that information adequately. Zaccwm (talk) 12:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi I have updated the page as suggested including adding more references and removing the elements from his Eulogy.
Hopefully it now reflects the requirements of Wikipedia, many thanks
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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Thank you for reviewing this article and providing your feedback. S C F Farmer was awarded an OBE for his service, wrote peer reviewed articles that are still being cited 70 years later and was internationally respected in his field. I am puzzled as to why he does not qualify? There are many examples of music personalities who get a category to themselves in the metadata, where as entire categories of social sciences are missing. I appreciate that many references are offline chapters in books or paywalled, but this is the case with many professions.
I would be grateful for advice as to why this is still declined... and how I can improve the chances of acceptance. 27 years leading probation in this country and advising around the world is fairly significant, enough to be recognised by his own profession in their centenary celebrations in 2007. However online references are challenging to identify, wikis can redress some of that balance, for people whose lives were largely pre-digital era and/or limited about what could be spoken about during their lifetimes. This can help people towards their research and highlight the contribution of public servants from a time when personal notoriety was not sought and references to them were often by role rather than name.
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Netherzone was:
Please reduce the excessive number of exhibitions to about 10 maximum (the rest belong on her personal website), then make sure each of these are properly sourced. Bare urls and incomplete citations should be filled in so they are correctly formatted. A short section with three or four notable permanent museum collections would help to establish notability.
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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Netherzone was:
Formatting is not correct for a biography, and trivial details about his life should not be included. The long bullet list Career section should be trimmed of non-essential (trivial) details, and focus only on the most important aspects. This should be writtin in prose form. Excessive details about his cremation is unnecessary, just indicate the date and place of death.
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Thanks for your help, I have updated the style and reduced the citations etc as suggested. I trust it can now be published. I have also had input from authors in the spere of probation to confirm the significance of his contribution and service. Many thanks Zaccwm (talk) 23:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Many thanks for your help and that of other reviewers. Does the message regarding COI remain in perpetuity? I have declared on my page (assuming I have done correctly) Zaccwm (talk) 22:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by S0091 was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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Per previous comments. See WP:CITEKILL. Generally only one source is needed to support a fact and of the sources I reviewed many are listings/brief mentions, written by him or otherwise primary sources which cannot be used to establish notability. Also see WP:SCHOLARSHIP about using theses. If resubmitted, please provide three sources that meet all four criteria: reliable, secondary, independent and provides in-depth coverage about Farmer (not what he has said or written).
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While the concerns about citation overkill have been partially addressed, multiple statements are unreferenced, no new references have been added, and the concerns about the article's subject not meeting Wikipedia's general notability criteria remain. Please take the time to thoroughly consider the existing feedback before resubmitting this draft.
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I think it would be fine to have a mention of the award in the article, but your addition appeared to be a press release copied verbatim. We should probably just include a sentence or so, and provide an appropriate source for the information. Cheers, Basie (talk) 00:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for contributing to the article Draft:Seldon Charles Forrester Farmer. However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be verifiable and attributed to reliable sources. You have recently used citations which copied, or mirrored, material from Wikipedia. This leads to a circular reference and is not acceptable. Most mirrors are clearly labeled as such, but some are in violation of our license and do not provide the correct attribution. Please help by adding alternate sources to the article you edited! If you need any help or clarification, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia or ask at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page, or just ask me. Thank you. Sam Kuru (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply] 
