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No sign of notability; delete. -- Hoary 04:13, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
Keep. "Among Vectorex customers are federal and state government agencies, defense contractors, large and medium-sized manufacturers, architectural firms, agencies of local municipalities" etc. Not some guy in a shed with a website. --Tony Sidaway|Talk06:42, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So we should have an article on every company that sells product to government agencies or manufacturers? Delete, ad. RickK 20:48, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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I'm sustaining this nomination, and I've added the second article under a variant title. Though it's not an advert, I don't think it's going to be more than a dicdef. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 01:52, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This is but one of applications of image analysis & pattern recognitioninCAD. It is a usual practice in wikipedia to cover smaller subtopics within larger articles. If the topic grows, it can be easily expanded into a separate article. Right now it is nothing but a duplication of a small paragraph in Computer-aided design article. It may as well be a redirect there. Mikkalai17:45, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with the term is that the overwhelming majority of its usage is the name of a particular software service. I can find no academic disuccion of the notion. But probably you are right. Changing the vote. Mikkalai
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Um... You need to read the deletion policy. Lack of comprehensiveness and POV are not reasons to delete, why don't you improve the article? Keep. --Dmcdevit 00:28, 1 May 2005 (UTC) I was hasty, a merge and redirect is in order. --Dmcdevit05:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Gingerly cleanup, merge and redirecttocivil rights, which has plenty of room. Break out a history fork in the future if that's needed. Right now this is an unnecessary and duplicative fork, and confusingly named as at least four of the seven issues listed are current issues, and civil rights is far more historical. Samaritan01:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Fourteen google pages in English contain the word Felmart (it seems to be a fairly common word in Hungarian). Of those 14, 10 mentioned F.Felmart in passing. Just not notable. Grutness|hello?00:30, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. I would suggest a redirect to "Royal decree", but it is a redirect to Royal family (which contains no information on royal or imperial decrees). --Allen3talk 01:22, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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I don't think that page is a type of disambiguation. Mainly because United States of Africa, is in no way similar or has the same name as the links lsited in the article.
Request expansion (or if it's deleted, request as a new article) to discuss the serious and significant use of the term, notably by Qadaffi (and by Star Trek as an aside?) as a proposed political union of African countries. Samaritan01:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Now that it's done I won't disagree with Tony Sidaway's speedying. (The page was an attempt to disambiguate, to the opposite effect, leading to the likes of United States of America and European Union, and only one link actually of Africa, African Union or maybe the OAU, with no context or explanation and it didn't look like a work in progress. Samaritan16:55, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep the redirect (of course) :-) -- BDAbramsonthimk 06:12, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
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It's really empty, just the signature jen--68.91.131.0 01:23, 1 May 2005 (UTC) and nothing more in history. Speedy delete under CSD 1 & 2, but a perfectly good article could exist here in the future. Leave it alone; don't redirect. Samaritan01:47, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You really want to keep an article whose entire contents are jen--68.91.131.0 01:23, 1 May 2005 (UTC)? This has gone beyond extreme inclusionism and into the absurd. Clearly a speedy delete candidate, properlyly speedy deleted. If you want an article with this title, then go ahead and create one. RickK 20:54, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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Uninteresting private cipher. Non-notable (4 google hits on only 2 separate sites, one being an exact copy of the article on LibertyWiki), vanity (the name is a pun on pseudocode and Joe Souter), and would also classify as original research if only it were in any way original. Quale01:29, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for reasons above. -- Hoary 04:57, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
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Delete. It's all well and good for you to make a reference for your community. Just don't do it here. This is an encyclopedia. R Calvete 02:02, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
Delete: Ugg, this should be speedied and I'll tell you why, if you look at the page the creator seems to go on and on about the site's forum, and then includes a ton of red links to very specific forum events (IE: 10,00 recognition post, April Fools Day Post etc.) my feeling is the author is trying to get members of his forum to post her and create these pages which would create a flood of VFD canidates. Cpuld we handle it? Yes but why not just delete the whole thing now so we don't have to deal with it. Deathawk02:17, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In cases like this, it's acceptable to put a "nowiki" tag at the beginning of the article. That way we avoid both the speedy and the horde of duplicate articles. Meelar(talk) 03:02, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
You say "author"... are you implying that this forum perhaps belongs to the person who added this article? If so, I think not. From what I've seen the BZPower community are a very professional and above-board group, and I cannot see that this is an officially-sanctioned action. Therefore if we are flooded with rubbish one of us could post about it on their forums, and leave the rest up to the people in charge. I'm sure they would leave their members in no doubt about the punishments for spamming WP. Master Thief Garrett04:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While BZPower is certainly worthy of inclusion in WP from what I've heard (they even get exclusive sneak peek pictures from The LEGO Company themselves!) I can't see keeping this *particular* article. Seems like someone's cut-n-pasted the non-meta Google search description (you know, where it lists all the links and such the page contains...) Master Thief Garrett04:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Neologism for a non-notable or nonexistent group of video game fans. Although the article claims usage on Usenet, google shows no group hits for "Pro-Evolutionism football" and "Pro-Evolutionism soccer" and only one web hit. Quale03:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, you're right. The article says "Internet forums". Introducing Usenet into the situation was my mistake. Quale04:46, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Seems a vanity article for a seemingly non-existent group, or a grouping that someone wants to create. Maybe merge a small part of this article with the main Pro-Evolution article, as the majority of it seems to be poorly written and opinionated, without even external references. - Master Of Ninja11:57, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Obviously written by a non-English speaker. It is so bad that I imagine it would be easier to erase the article and start from scratch. Although, there is already an article at Manchukuo. · Katefan0(scribble) 03:59, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Delete It is unclear even what the title can be. Ideally, the information could be merged into Manchuko, but just extracting the information may be more difficult than starting from scratch. Terrace410:29, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete."if others cyphers and analizes why demostrated the enormous interest why poses Japanover Manchoukouan resources since your intervention". This is a cypher no-one will ever "analize", no matter how hard they try. — P Ingerson(talk)(contribs)14:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect now to Manchukuo (financial, industrial and commercial data). And cut it out with the snide stuff about non-native English speakers. The English Wikipedia used to be a more tolerant place, I think. "if others cyphers and analizes why demostrated the enormous interest why poses Japanover Manchoukouan resources since your intervention" is (are) other figures and analyses which demonstrate the enormous interest which had for Japan Manchukuo's resources, after the intervention. Charles Matthews17:03, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have read Finnegan's Wake. I wouldn't dream of using it as a comparison deisgned to offend a valued contributor. Charles Matthews
We can keep the ad hominem attacks out of this, both re:the author's English skills and re:whether critiques of a poorly written article are designed to offend the author. Regardless, why keep the article with this title, which will never be searched (what is "commets"?), when another article with the same information and a better title has been started by the same author? Essentially, the information should be moved (which the author has already done) and this title deleted. Terrace411:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. That can't be done under VfD rules, though, until we are all done here.Charles Matthews
Comment. I had made some changes to the article under its original title, and today discovered that the same original content has been duplicated under the better title that Charles Matthews reported above. For that reason, I put a notice near the top of the original asking people not to edit it, but rather to edit the new one. This series of articles is turning into a valuable in-depth look at several aspects of Manchukuo. Fg2 03:48, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
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Obviously written by a non-English speaker. It is so bad that I imagine this should be erased and started from scratch. Besides, there is already an article on Manchukuo. · Katefan0(scribble) 03:57, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Keep and give more time to cleanup. It's understandable and informative. Interestingly enough, their agriculture was 34% mice... Kappa04:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Even cleaned and rewritten, the scope of this article is way too broad. Who is going to search for that title? The potential content that's purely historical belongs in Manchukuo. The potential content that's current belongs in Manchuria. Also, it has the smell of a Babelfish copyvio... direct translation of a webpage is a derivative work. Feco04:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no one will search for this title as it stands. Ideally, this would be merged with Manchukuo and Manchuria, but extracting useful information from this may be more difficult than searching from scratch. Terrace410:32, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the shame of it is that I think the author has good intentions, his English just isn't good enough to make anything comprehensible. · Katefan0(scribble) 16:40, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
I think delete here, but the article he's doing to replace this is actually shaping up ok, with the help of Charles Matthews. "All for the best in this, the best of all possible worlds". Terrace416:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'll never be ashamed of expecting Wikipedia's articles to be of excellent quality. · Katefan0(scribble) 22:22, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Won't the editorial process work more efficiently if shame is not involved in discussions as to the merits and deficiencies of articles? And why keep this title as a redirect, when no one is likely to put in a search for this particular title? The content has already been moved, we should keep the new article and remove this title. Terrace411:59, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this version, don't take people to task for wanting to make non-English speakers create articles with intelligible titles and intelligible subject matter. RickK 21:11, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Any useful info can be merged into Manchukuo, if anyone wants to do it. —Lowellian (talk) 01:35, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, original analysis of regional statistics, no references are provided so the stats may not even be real--nixie01:38, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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We read: The way that Santa Claus laughs. "Ho, ho, ho! Merry Christmas!" Yeah, right. It's also the way that Clarence Carter laughs and the start of the US-gummint-baiting chant "Ho, ho, Ho Chi Minh!" Big deal it isn't. Feeble and non-encyclopedic. No no no. -- Hoary 04:06, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
RedirecttoSanta Claus or else delete. And Hoary, I liked the edit summary ("Ho ho ho, no no no"). Meelar(talk) 04:08, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
And yes, I checked and the only reference to Merry in the very extensive Christmas is a throwaway nod to "merrymaking." These are among the most iconic expressions in the English-speaking world and their history and use well deserves to be discussed. Samaritan17:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Happy Christmas, and, more extensively, Happy Holidays, are on the rise, since Happy Holidays has no religious or cultural connotations so could be applied to Hanaka or whatnot. So if we add Merry Christmas, we may one day soon need to add Happy Holidays too... Master Thief Garrett00:13, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So what if we have to add an article? It's not like we'll run out of paper. R Calvete 01:05, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Comment: Although several people have claimed that this is a "notable expression" or that the article otherwise deserves preservation, so far none has taken the trouble to expand it beyond The way that Santa Claus laughs. "Ho, ho, ho! Merry Christmas!" So what are you waiting for, chaps? I have an open mind, and I'm willing to change from "Delete" to "Keep" if the article is rewritten to be worthwhile -- just as I did in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/In Defence of Marxism. -- Ho ho Hoary 07:21, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Keep. Thanks to Smerdis. Noisy | Talk 12:47, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
Questions: Pardon me for party pooping, but something here strikes me as dodgy. How is "ha ha" any more "nasal" than "ho ho"? And (cough) is the content of the revised and hugely improved article sourced, or is it original thought (intriguing original thought, but what might in the VfD context be termed "original research")? -- Hoary 13:11, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
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Delete, not funny, just weird. I'd have speedied it myself. It probably doesn't *technically* fit, but if it's not BJAODN-worthy then it probably shouldn't be dragged through the Vfd... Master Thief Garrett10:57, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, and I would have speedied it myself too if it hadn't been put on VfD. --Golbez 20:24, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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Local-political vanity, unencyclopedic, addressed to the wrong audience, likely copyvio. In a word, Ugh. (And if I feel like biting a newcomer just once in a while, you'll have to indulge me or ban me.) Delete. -- Hoary 04:52, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
Comment: You are (and anyone else is) very welcome to work away at it. I'll revisit it later, whereupon I might change my vote. -- Hoary 07:01, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
Delete. All reasons given by Hoary plus non-notable. Klonimus, you should read the article more carefully. John Colautti is not an alderman. Colautti is Executive Constituency Assistant to Councillor Sylvia Watson. He has been involved with the Parkdale Village Residences Association, and he lost a municipal election in 2000. Quale08:43, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Non-notability not established. It seems to be a popular Los Angeles radio morning show, and has connections with both Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla. Besides, being a substub is not a reason for deletion. An article can always be expanded upon (unless, of course, it's deleted). R Calvete 06:31, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
Delete, I dont think this show is anymore notable than other breakfast programs that have been deleted in the past. Megan196707:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nothing in the article establishes notability. If it's deleted, someone can always write a better article later that explains why this particular morning radio show is notable. Quale08:45, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, still keeping a few fans aroud [1] - Svest 09:04, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Strong keep/expand. Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/KROQ Top 106.7 Countdowns - if a radio station is so iconic their annual countdown lists are notable, their longtime morning show should be notable too. I've never heard it and I live in Eastern Canada, but I've heard of it, frequently, from casually following the radio and music scenes. Samaritan17:30, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — completely redundant with content on KROQ page. The pair can be summarized on their radio station page, unless there is a ton of content that can be added. — RJH19:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirecttoKROQ. When I lived in LA, I used to listen to them, but I don't believe any local-only radio programs should have their own articles. I see no problem with mentioning local-only radio programs in the articles about the stations they're from. RickK 21:21, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Keep Kevin & Bean is very, VERY well known..my google search for "Kevin & Bean" came up with 3000+ hits. Singer Tori Amos even wrote a spoof of the song "Whoomp There it Is" that incorperated their names; they have released a vareity of charity albums as well, mostly Christmas Themed. This is another case of something being regionally significant but people arguing it to be not so because it's not global. Pacian08:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how long a vote usually runs but this one has been running for 9 days now and the votes are Keep: 8, Merge: 3, Delete: 6, so I guess the vote is to keep it. As such I have begun an expansion of the article (which IMHO also displays more clearly the notability of the subject.) When is it acceptable to remove the VFD tag? Pacian07:24, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
First, not your bro, sweetie-pookums. :) Secondly, a consensus is a general agreement or accord: a decision reached by a group as a whole. There is no way that decitions at wikipedia VFD could ALWAYS be determined by an actual consensus because then it would mean EVERYBODY has to agree on one outcome. As far as I am aware VFD is is supposed to last for around five days at which point an action is supposed to be taken based on the GENERAL consensus of the votes accumulated, and in this case, the majority of the votes indicate that the article should be kept. An 8 to 6 to 3 vote is as close to a consensus as we're going to get, unless you forsee some way to FORCE everyone to vote one way and one way only...?Pacian04:08, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From the "guide for votes for deletion": At the end of a period from when the nomination of an article was listed, known as the lag time, an administrator in the VFD cleaning department reviews an article's VFD discussion, determines what the rough consensus is, and closes it. Wikipedia is not a democracy, and although this mechanism is named "votes for deletion", the votes are a guideline only to administrators.Pacian04:13, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Last VfD ended in "No consensus". You can renominate such articles a second time. By the way, I suggest a merge to the Mariah Carey article, with a mention at the O Holy Night article. --FuriousFreddy04:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, individual songs have to be exceptional to justify their own article. I would suggest adding this information to the albums in the future. -- Kjkolb08:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I vote merge and redirect for this one. Again, might have voted for weak keep if the infobox wasn't half of the article. Need more content and/or notability for me to change my vote. --Jacquelyn Marie21:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
...if they didn't make siome sort of important impact to warrant writingg an encyclopedia article about them, yes. And especially if they are covers of Christmas standards. --FuriousFreddy16:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP : Mariah's singles are an important part of knowing the work she has accomplished throughout the years. Why delete this page? What have we got to lose? I think that having the most information as possible about a singer, like Mariah Carey in this case, should be keeped if possible.Mczelda04:41, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment. The article as it stands will easily merge int othe article on its proper album. As this is a Christmas song, with likely dozens of succesful covers over the years, it does not stand to reason to retain it as a seperate article. --FuriousFreddy22:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Who here is requesting for deletion because they don't like Mariah Carey? Certainly not I; serveral of her songs are among my favorites, and she is a great singer. This nomination has nothing to do with whether or not I like the singer or not; it has to do with the neccessity for an article. --FuriousFreddy23:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Carey's version of "O Holy Night" is notable.
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Plenty of cities have rivalries with other cities - there is nothing inherently notable about this one. The link in the article goes to a newspaper article which requires subscription. I managed to find a cached copy at [2] however it doesnt even mention Madurai. Article fails to establish notability. The anon editor which created the article in all fairness must not have a good grasp of English. JamesBurns08:31, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable. Of course were this kept, it would need a redirect from Madurai vs Salem — how do you decide which city gets named first in these feuds? Quale08:57, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for that! I added these to the header. The characters are of similar non-notability to this one (or perhaps they are evolutions of the same character like Megatron->Galvatron?), so it's only fair that they should be dealt with on an "all or nothing" basis. If one goes, they all go. If one stays, they all stay. Simple. Master Thief Garrett 23:28, 1 May 2005 (UTC) oops, someone else already Vfd'd them but didn't add that tag within the page! I've now done that. So go cast similar votes on the others. Master Thief Garrett23:31, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. "phenomenally successful"? This thing nets me 651 Google hits. If that's what you call phenomenal, then what's Homestar Runner? It gets 371,000 hits. Need I say more? Master Thief Garrett 10:03, 1 May 2005 (UTC) Withdraw vote, until I can get a better idea of the minimum notability that the webcomics project requires. I'd say if it meets the webcomic minimum then it's a Keep for me. Master Thief Garrett11:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, golly, I haven't checked. I have no idea about how to do this stuff! You should probably check on it yourself. Or wait for other Vfders to cast judgement. Or something. If you think it's fine you could expand it, but you should maybe wait a day or so to see if the Vfd's gonna mercilessly slay your hard work. Master Thief Garrett11:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well there IS a Wikiproject on webcomics and I just wrote an addition to "Our home planet" which made it to the top of the importance list in spite of being much shorter and crappier that this one. So I think I'll finish it anyway. Harg10:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh geeze, what would you need to make it "notable"? The DA site pockets 10,000 pageviews a day, the artist inspired more fanart than any webcartoonist I see on the Webcomics project. Don't worry, I won't struggle to put it back. It just seemed sort of odd. Harg 8:39, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Comment / Abstain. All I know is that it updates only twice a month but the art is VERY good. Is it popular? Has anyone heard of it? No clue. I rearranged the links to make it easier to find the actual comic, though, so maybe we'll get a bit more response. Marblespire23:59, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It's actually weekly though there had been a few omissions. I suggest you click on the "has ... pageviews" for the number of views for the last mont and "Watched by"'s complete list on the DeviantArt page. A five-minute google search gave a
Keep. And is it a vanity article if it's not made by the person who actually writes the doujinshi? Ketsy23:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"phenomenally successful". Now while that isn't automatically POV of its own accord, this particular comic doesn't get nearly enough Google hits to be "worthy" of such a claim. Master Thief Garrett02:22, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I removed that part as soon as you drew my attention to it. If that's the problem you could have simply edited it instead of terminating the article as a whole.Harg 8:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not Vfding it because of grammar and wording, that would be stupid! No, wording doesn't matter, but it's still the noteworthiness that's the problem. Master Thief Garrett09:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"powerpuff girls doujinshi" gave me 1,900 hits actually...(which is less then it would if 'Dojinshi' didn't have a dozen ways of writing "doujin" "doujinshi" etc.) and if you type "powerpuff girls" the comic's right on the first page...("bleedman" gets 4,490) Harg10:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. You fools. Let the article blossom into a noteworthy and interesting piece, rather than killing it preemptively. The series hasn't even gotten into its full stride yet. Give it some time. And you all know my views on the Google test. That isn't even the most comprehensive search engine out there; just one of the most popular at the moment. 24.54.208.17703:45, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well it certainly won't blossom into an interesting piece if all the good bits are edited. Whatever, just let us let it go down the toilet. Harg15:06, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, there are four deletes, two keeps, and several abstains, so it may fall under "no consensus". The article as rewritten is probably fine (compared to what it was like when I nominated it), but I still can't work out how these noteriety tests work... Master Thief Garrett23:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I got some VERY mixed results for webcomics I've searched on Alexia. Megatokyo 12,382; RPG World 64,890; PPGD 84,436; Bruno the Bandit 123,448; It's Walky 132,247; Newshounds 361,229; Irritability 475,064 etc. (all are picked from the already existing articles)Harg 8:09, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
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Keep or merge if not a copyvio. Meelar(talk) 17:45, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, I typed it all out without copying directly from anything, and I state that I got extra information from their website (without copying straight from) and the can. Which part of my article is copyright violation? The part that I wrote myself? The nutritional information? You're a bit delete-happy I think. Mrd00d
Delete. 236 unique Google hits for "Boo Koo" +drink. Let's not create articles based on who gets paid millions of dollars to endorse their products. RickK 21:34, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Delete Search "BooKoo Energy" or "Boo Koo Energy" then you would only get 85 page results. I tried to find proof if Shaq is really promoting their product. I can't find it on Google. The only website that I'm getting is Bevnet saying that Shaq is promoting it. --Chill Pill Bill22:13, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete promo for commercial product with no notability established. If S O'Neal is proven to have endorsed the product, that adds no encyclopedic relevance, in which case my vote will remain delete. Barno15:17, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Just a question. How is this a promo for a non-notable thing. How is this a promo? Are you putting up deletion notices for the other energy drinks listed? No. They aren't promos, they are encyclopedic articles detailing what these drinks are. These drinks are all known. These drinks are all popular. And they are all real. What is the relevance of it being endorsed by Shaq or not? It is a popular drink. It didn't have an article made yet, and now there is one. This isn't a promo, it is an informative article on a drink. Mr d00d!21:22, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Any particular reason why? -- Hoary 03:16, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
We read that it is mainly consumed by those people wanting to get extra hours into their day. Rather than "those people", how about "gullible people"? Oh, but then it would diverge from the company line. In effect if not intention, a promo. Merge anything notable within and redirecttoEnergy drink. -- Hoary 03:16, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
Your vote is valid, of course, but I am curious why it should be merged to the energy drink page. Should the rest of the energy drinks that are linked to from the main energy drink page going to be merged as well? If yes, merge it. If not, leave them all on their own individual pages. Is it necessary to do these things on a case by case basis? Do with one drink as is done with the rest. It is given a separate page because there are separate pages for many other energy drinks. Mr d00d!04:07, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. If you don't like it as is, why don't you edit it so that it is valid and neutral, non-promo. I see it as neutral, and not a promo, so maybe someone else should fix it up so that it fits people's needs without needing to merge it for no reason. Mr d00d!04:07, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I tend to think these all these so-called energy drinks are just minor variations on a (snake-oily) theme, and could all be merged into Energy drink. Unless, that is, there's something about these drinks (either in general or in particular) that has escaped me. I can't easily add to the article, even if I wanted to, as I've never heard of the stuff. There seems to be an assumption that the reader is in some nation where dollars are used; I'm not (we use yen here), and though I'm vaguely aware of a few so-called "energy"/"sports" drinks here (notably the divinely named "Pocari Sweat"), I really don't think that this one is for sale here. What I think is encyclopedic is medical and similar info (see this for example). Or again, the main article says energy drinks today are commonly associated with the image of a hacker or IT professional, sitting up late at his computer trying to stay awake. This is not an entirely inaccurate picture; if somebody who's interested in "energy drinks" has the, uh, energy to write more, how about a clarification of this (to me) extraordinarily woolly statement? (Does it mean "Much of the sales of energy drinks are to people who want to stay awake and alert", and if not, what does it mean?) Incidentally, the "energy drinks" sold in the Czech Republic have more explosive names. -- Hoary 05:03, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
Yes I did notice the dollar values it gives. I suppose if it said "USD$" or similar that would be OK.
No I doubt you'd find this product over there. I looked around here (in NZ) and other than being swamped in Red Bulls and Vs, there's no Boo Koo.
Red Bull Super Charged Delete. Patent nonsense. Unsupported medical claims. Vanity page. Commercial page. Not encyclopedic. Not factual. Not notable. Not wikified. Copyvio. Creator registered on wiki for sole purpose of creating this page. Probable sock. Spammed my email inbox, too. — Xiong熊talk* 06:16, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
Keep But it needs major improvement or rewriting. Why delete it when it is a real product. The article needs to be improved, thats all. --Munchkinguy18:47, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The product is real, but is it notable? "Boo Koo" gets ~85 Google hits. "Red Bull Energy Drink", a rather narrow keyword to use, still gets 19,400 hits. Master Thief Garrett23:32, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Why delete it when it is a real product. -- Is this a door we really wish to open? We cannot get rid of the fancruft. Do we want an article for every can, jar, box, and bottle on the aisle at the local supermarket? — Xiong熊talk* 08:27, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
It is spelled "Boo Koo" if you are looking at the website or can. Maybe the other websites cant spell. Xiong, I didnt mean to send you an email, sent it to the wrong person. One message isnt spam. It is factual, it isnt commercial because im not with them or advertising, no medical claims are made, and not a copyvio. Those are all the ones Im bothering to adress. Mr d00d!04:19, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not factual -- non-notable, commercial, fraudulent, and a patently nonsensical medical claim. And yes, one single instance of Sales, Promotion, Advertising, Marketing = SPAM. Perhaps it is not a copyvio -- if you are the copyright holder of the can label. Almost certainly a violation of federal Pure Food and Drug Act. — Xiong熊talk* 08:43, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
Explain the nonsensical medical claim, and if you mean "energy stimulance", then you better argue with all the other drinks. Which makes no sense. Also, my email wasn't SPAM because I didnt market anything. I sent an email to you ACCIDENTALLY thanking you for your KEEP vote, but you probably hadnt even seen this page yet. I went to someone's talk page and saw your email there, and assumed it was that persons, because it just said "email me here". I didnt advertise the page or promote it to you, I mistakenly sent you a message that you werent meant to get. You are wrong, sir. And are all people that get nutritional information from a food product, and list a slogan, violating a copyright? No. You are being unreasonable. You are wrong.Mr d00d!
Since its been way more than 5 days, Im removing the up for deletion notice, especially since there are more keep votes. Mr d00d!05:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like after 12 days, they havent succeeded to delete it, so they want to extend the deadline or something. I don't really know. It's 7 days over! Mr d00d!17:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Quick eyeball tally 7 to 5 keep -- not an overwhelming endorsement. If I were a deletionist, I'd be angry; it does look like this bit of commercial advertising will survive -- for now. — Xiong熊talk* 03:22, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
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21:37, 1 May 2005 RickK deleted "The Melvin House" (recreation of multi-deleted article)
Speedy deleted. This is about the fourth recreation of this article. I've warned the user to knock it off or I will block him. RickK 21:41, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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This confusing article was apparently created from a link at Mondial de l'Automobile 2004. If that auto show article was way over a reasonable size due to the sheer mass of text and pictures, I wouldn't complain. But creating a new, virtually non-sensical entry while the main article is almost empty is not the way to go. Rl11:16, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and delete into Mondial de l'Automobile 2004. The main article is poorly set up. It has redlinks that will create a bunch of these xxx at Mondial ... articles. Instead these should be subsections unless there's substantially more to say than is displayed here. I admit that I don't understand Venturi at Mondial de l'Automobile 2004, but if the text is put in the main article maybe someone will fix it up. Quale17:05, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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There are only two meanings for this at the moment, Alfred Kinsey and Kinsey (movie). Alfred Kinsey already contains a disambig link pointing directly to the movie, and so I moved this page (originally at Kinsey) to its current location and edited the redirect at the new Kinsey to go to Alfred Kinsey, the primary topic. This disambiguation page is superfluous and it would only waste the reader's time to send him there. Not much history. delete. --Tony Sidaway|Talk11:34, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Forget it. Realised I can move this back over Kinsey and just edit in the redirect, and we retain the (small) amount of history and don't have to waste time in VfD. Apologies. --Tony Sidaway|Talk12:39, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Pan tries to blast Naturon Shenron out of the ground by firing energy blasts into the ground. But Naturon Shenron is so deep in the ground that the attacks have no effect on him at all. Pan then stuffs Giru into her backpack. Goku and Pan rushes to the city to help everyone. Goku powers up to Super Saiyan 4 and tries to stop an office building from collapsing. Pan rushes around picking up people all over the place to a safe area. When a road was going to crash into the sewers, Goku went underground and stops it. Goku then emerges from a subway station. Naturon Shenron emerges from the ground to admire his handiwork but was furious when the city looks like the earthquake did not affect it at all.
Having seen Supersaiyanplough's excellent rewrite, I'm gonna remove my Delete vote. Keep or Merge depending on how notable this character is in the series. — P Ingerson(talk)09:38, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP, I have cleaned it up and removed most if not all so-called "fancruft". You can't merge it as all the characters get their own article so why is Naturon different. Yes Dragon Ball is my dedicated hobby. Supersaiyanplough 2:07, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
How notable is this character in the series? For example, I've merged absolutely everybody and everything into The Legend of Zelda series characters and similar grouped pages. Every single character is in there except for the hero, the villain, and the princess. And Zelda is *my* dedicated hobby! So could you do something similar for yours? Master Thief Garrett02:12, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, cleanup, and expand.--Prem 06:33, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
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The villagers comes to collect the fish but run away when the woman attacks two of the villagers. The boy identifies her as Princess Otto but the woman reveals that her real name is Oceanus Shenron. When Goku asks her what wish she was created from, her face turns red with anger and she shouts "THE GIRL'S UNDERWEAR!" This also enrages Pan. Goku then remembers that it was Oolong's wish for underwear. Oceanus Shenron is angry that such a useless wish was made with the dragonballs. Goku fires an attack at her but she deflects it with an invisible barrier.
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Delete; no inbounds. "A guiltfomercial is a commercial that guilts people into giving money. Often for charity and during telethons." Samaritan17:45, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe redirsocial psychology 'cause this is totally the sort of thing we'd investigate, but that's a tenuous link at best. Also have no idea if there IS any empirical data. IF evidence THEN redir, ELSE delete Wikipedia Is Not original research. Marblespire (hi, I'm a psych major ^_^)
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V. short, contains nothing which isn't already in the article for M1911 and is, as far as I am aware, not even correct in its single assertion; although there was an official 'Colt Government Model', sold from 1970 to 1983, the phrase is generally used as shorthand for any military-style 1911.-Ashley Pomeroy14:16, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Add AP's information (above) to M1911, then delete this incorrect article stub, then redirect this title to M1911, based on likelihood of being used as a search phrase. Nothing here merits keeping in edit history. Barno15:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The article contains only a few words of text. It should be deleted as no effort has been made to prepare any information for an encyclopedia topic. - Master Of Ninja14:43, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Perfectly good stub, easily capable of expansion (which is perhaps what some of us should be doing instead of listing stuff for VfD). I now know I can find out about M. Garrel by going to imdb--which I didn't know before. --Tony Sidaway|Talk15:02, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. IMDB shows he has directed a bunch of films from 1964 to 2005, and has a tiny trivia section about it. Notable and definite possibilities of expansion. Quale16:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Second nomination for deletion. This is unencyclopedic--just a massive dump (495066 bytes) in an ideosyncratic, space-filling format--and has already been moved to Wikisource during the course of the last VfD. delete from Wikipedia article space, use soft redirect instead if required. --Tony Sidaway|Talk14:55, 1 May 2005 (UTC)Link to first VfD discussion[reply]
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This is a sample of the article content for anyone who may have tried, and failed, to download the whole thing:
Comment: Let the voters review the article for themselves, since it quite clearly already suggests which font to use (Terminal, 10 point, or Code page 437) to view this list. IMHO, it's unfair to intentionally excerpt ASCII art borders and exclude the content when the majority of the article is content and not ASCII art borders. —RaD Man (talk) 00:18, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing to stop the reader doing this...except the document size, which makes it almost impossible to view without broadband. Also the fact that the document requires special arrangements just to be viewed properly is in itself a strong suggestion that the document is unencyclopedic. Your claim that I omitted content is incorrect. --Tony Sidaway|Talk12:14, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
agree Delete. can't we speedy this as a recreation of already deleted content? I didn't check the history - it was taking longer to load than this page. . . . Soundguy9917:52, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as before. This is a reference for United Cracking Force. I don't see a problem with keeping this in Wikipedia. We have many other lists, this one just happens to be in ASCII. Rhobite 21:20, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
If so, then the page should be reformatted to meet wikipedia conventions for making lists - get rid of all those promotional ASCII headers! -- BDAbramsonthimk 17:29, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
Delete, of no encyclopedic interest whatsover. I don't even understand why it's on Wikisource, but especially since it's already there, just put a link to it in the main article. RickK 22:21, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, the main United Cracking Force article is debatable and a reasonable argument could be made for keeping it due to that organization's influence within the warez community, but this is just a warez file list. Not only does it have no encyclopedic value, it has the potential to draw unwanted attention from copyright holders. Firebug22:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As I said last time, there are possible legal reasons not to keep this here, and its encyclopedic value is marginal at best. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:35, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Oh come on, a list of cracks isn't illegal. Rhobite 03:52, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
100% completely absolutely untrue, this is not even a potential copyright issue for the following reasons: 1) not a link to crack files. 2) not a link to the original copyright holders programs. 3) does not contain any "illegal" material as per current US federal regulations. ALKIVAR™05:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not the place to say keep or delete the main article - this is the not the vfd for United Cracking Force. Not meaning to pick on you, JIP, but no one should have the impression that a decision is being made here on anything but the page in the vfd title. -- BDAbramsonthimk 17:38, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
keep, i'm really sick of people consistanly re-vfding stuff because they were upset at the previous result. ALKIVAR™05:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have had nothing to do with this article or its earlier VfD. I noted that you had it transwikied and thus we have two copies on WikiMedia's servers (and it *is*, as it happens, the largest article on Wikipedia at present,at nearly 500KB). Normally after transwikying to wikisource I would expect to have the Wikipedia version deleted. I don't want your file to be removed from WikiMedia's servers but this physical duplication is clearly unnecessary. --Tony Sidaway|Talk12:35, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete, no potential to become encyclopedic, no matter what size it is, no matter what its VfD history is. The group seems (barely) notable enough to keep the parent article, but there's no way content like this belongs on WP. None of the content appears suitable even for merging into a History section of the parent article. And it's all been transwikied anyhow. Barno15:32, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
By "uniquely formatted", do you mean "including hidden stuff, such as obfuscated keys to cracked software so people can use Wikimedia servers to work around legal responsibilities"? Even if not, this encyclopedia does not welcome uniquely formatted lists, and is not a list repository. Barno18:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Who says so? This encyclopedia is community built. If the article is incorrectly formatted according to some manual of style, just fix it. (\/)OO(\/)19:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The article is not formatted according to any style guide; it's an ASCII data dump with tons of non-text and some filenames and attributes. WP is for facts, like the description and history in the parent article, not for huge raw files. Even if the half-megabyte were edited to a hundred-line list of just the names, it would not be encyclopedic no matter how it was formatted. Barno20:48, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
keep: this is computer scene history. Also I don't get the point of re-VfDing. We had this discussion before. --Avatar-en19:12, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
When the previous discussion was held, the consensus was to transwiki, which was done incompletely (removal from the WP side wasn't completed). This VfD exists to implement the previous decision. I'm only adding policy reasons why the content shouldn't kept on WP in case the resolving admin thinks this copy should be kept. Barno20:48, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, in the previous VfD (linked above by Tony S), the votes were approx. 7 Keep (or transwiki-and-still-keep) to 15 for Delete or Transwiki-without-specifying-Keep. The consensus is at the edge of clear deletion, but the admin treated it as consensus to "keep" (an overbroad interpretation of "no clear consensus -> keep by default"), and did not delete the non-article. Barno20:57, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What seems to have happened is that Alkivar unilaterally said that he had transwikied. Then the VfD closer chose to disregard all votes made after this announcement. A little odd, but I won't dispute it. But clearly there is a good argument to be made for deleting a redundant copy of an extremely large, unencyclopedic file. I don't care what intrinsic value it has, even if it's the contents of George Bush's brain it doesn't belong her if it isn't an encyclopedia article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk22:17, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have to summon all my Wikilove to avoid making a sophomoric wisecrack about the last sentence. I'll at least wikify one: "WP is not paper, but can we spare one whole byte of storage?" Barno15:08, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, as per various above. This is just ASCII art bragging taken from warez .nfo files. This is basically a Google keyword list, someone could use the ZIP filenames here to find gigs of illegal crap, and it could be seen as being our "fault". I just tried one now, and I got hits that would likely lead me to the download. It's enough to know that a warez group has cracked 500+ titles, without giving out the exact filenames of the cracked versions. WP is not a warez release list. It's easy to find warez, sure, but we don't want to be seen as helping that process in any way. Master Thief Garrett00:11, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Wikisource and delete. -Sean Curtin 00:33, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. How is this an encyclopedia article? How could it ever be one? It's a subpage, even... something that has been discouraged since long before I showed up. Isomorphic00:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Again, it's raw data. This is not a place to dump your raw data. Even if your raw data were really useful or of wide and encyclopedic interest---which this isn't---it doesn't make itself into an encyclopedia article. It's huge, it's ugly, it's wankery, and it barely even belongs on Wikisource. grendel|khan 14:45, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
Delete. Not an article. At the very least move it to a more appropriate title, one that isn't a subpage. —Xezbeth 14:54, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
weak keep on the condition of setting the fonts to something that makes the logos look like they should (e.g. the Eternal Dreams font) //Gargaj 19:15, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
Absolutely delete. This is not an encyclopedia article. —Lowellian (talk) 01:40, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. This information has already been transwikied to a more appropriate location. There is absolutely no reason to keep it here anymore. Indrian 02:40, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Once the rest of the Internet goes down and everything can only be found with a wikipedia:// address, this information will be wanted and needed. Don't banish it to the darkness. --Jscott04:49, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is not being banished to the darkness. It is already on wikisource, which is part of the larger wikimedia foundation. Your comments make no sense. Indrian 07:15, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
Delete unless the article changes massively. The information given here is basically incomprehensible in its current form to anyone not active in the cracking scene. The article requires more background information. The ASCII art should be stripped since it doesn't contain any informational value. Furthermore, I would put the release list in a real HTML table. Anyway, can you give me a reason why all releases of a distributor (legal or illegal) should be put on wikipedia, no matter who it is? It's not exactly something that interests more than 20 people in the world. The computer world is a very fast living place. Nobody knows the programs that have been released in 1997 anymore, although this was only a few years ago. Why did you even care, please explain? -- Paniq08:47, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly point to where the links, images, or media files are in this LIST OF DATA! If your going to vote delete, at least point to a valid reason why. ALKIVAR™03:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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This appears to be the article for Jürgen Klinsmann but with the name Tim Barnwell substituted in. The IP address that created this, 194.46.79.119, also vandalised the Daniel Greene page in a similar fashion [5]. Qwghlm 15:17, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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I think this article should be deleted, for there are not articles for each individual professional irish dancer; only the main dancers have articles on Wikipedia. --Breadsticks.rock19:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, no evidence of notability yet. They now have a few days now to provide it. According to the webpage, SAE offers programs for degrees conferred by the University of Middlesex, so it may possibly be notable itself, although our article currently mentions only Dubai as an offshore campus. Andrewa18:09, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment/another question: How would you propose to then preserve the page history, in terms of the GFDL? I'd probably support a rename, assuming that there is evidence for the new name and that it's not just a guess. Everyone please note that renames are not encouraged during a VfD discussion, but they can be discussed here or (probably better) on the article's talk page, for action afterwards assuming the article is kept. No change of vote. Andrewa21:26, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, is Lübeck-Siems the name of a town or region of a town as well as a power substation? If the substation is the only thing given that name, fine. If I look up "Greenwich Village" I don't expect to read about infrastructure that happens to be located there, and I don't want a disambig either. Quale01:01, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: These are good questions and good points, but not IMO relevant to the decision as to whether or not we keep this article. See talk:Lübeck-Siems. No change of vote. Andrewa09:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or at least merge; appears to be a cut-n-paste job ofLübeck-Herrenwyk; should be merged in.
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This page is back after having been deleted before, previous VFD referenced below. Looks like some mythology has been invented to pad the article and try to save it from being deleted again, but I can find zero sources to back up the claims that Mephion was a mythological dragon. Delete on the basis that it is unverifiable and a bad attempt at hiding bandcruft behind something purportedly more inclusion-worthy. Arkyan16:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This sentence from Google is why: "Your search - mephion "santa clarita" - did not match any documents. " "Mephion" by itself got 269 results. -You can also probably speedy it under "recreation of deleted material". -Idont Havaname17:47, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Plug piece for new, non-influential band with no major commercial success. 3 months is nothing, we had one band put up about three days after they were founded. As I said then, bands that new are only notable if they have someone very famous in them. Average Earthman 16:50, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Delete as bandcruft. I think the record for the newest band with a vanity article was for a group less than three days old! I got a chuckle out of that one. - Lucky 6.9 04:43, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Looks like Average Earthman remembers that three-day-old group as well. - Lucky 6.9 04:43, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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00:02, 2 May 2005 Henrygb deleted "Torrorism" (content starts '{{deletebecause| author blanked page, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Torrorism}}')
Delete and I propose the criteria for speedy delete be expanded to include personal, non-encyclopaedic, hopelessly POV rants. --Golbez 20:26, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
No need here: it was blanked by the creator. (History) That's been accepted as CSD 7 in the past, and perhaps 2. (All edits other than by the author pertained to deletion tags or the NPOV tag I threw on.) So it should be speediable now. Samaritan20:46, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. However, I ask that people use the proper reasoning for speedy requests (i.e. "db|author blanked page" rather than "db|rant"). Thanks. Rl21:18, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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I've never heard of this toolkit; there's no link to it; and a google search for wtk and "vision pim" turns up nothing. The article offers no information about the toolkit except that it is a "web gui toolkit". DeleteVircum17:42, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn't seem to exist and writer says ("will be") no applications have yet been developed using it. Not even one. Zilch, nada, Zip. --Tony Sidaway|Talk18:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are many similarly named real gui toolkits; to keep a bogus one invites confusion. Quale18:36, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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ABIONICLE forum, Alexa rank 34,000. Not really popular enough for an article. Also very possible risk of vanity; see above vfd on the BZPower forums. Meelar(talk) 03:10, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Good write-up of a large, active specialist forum, eighth hit when I type bionicle into Google (in the UK), and the third forum in order (after the official site bionicle.com, Alexa ranking 681,845, and maskofdestiny.com, Alexa ranking 124,907 ). Keep. --Tony Sidaway|Talk18:00, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Well-known and important fourm. Wikipedia's coverage should be as wide as possible, and that can't be done by removing articles of important web sites! --65.102.168.1602:16, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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This page represents a new idea - a portal for Readers. (We do have WikiPortals, but these are for editors and live in Wikipediaspace - this one is for readers.) A lot of hard work and consideration has gone into it. The aim is to allow readers interested in a particular subject, in this instance cricket, to easily navigate between the various pages - or at least the good, well-developed pages. This is why it has been place under the title Portal:Cricket. It makes it clear that this is a different type of page, neither Wikipediaspace (which is purely administrative) nor a normal article page.
However, some people wish to kill this idea to promote Wikipedia at birth. After the farce at the VfD page for the original Cricket (portal) page, I am therefore rationalising the discussion by opening it with a clean slate here, jguk18:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An attempt to improve Wikipedia for readers - experiments like this should be encouraged to help Wikipedia improve, jguk18:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Still not an article. A move out of the main namespace would be acceptable, but by no means necessary. Requiring a second parallel vfd is a frankly astonishing show of bad faith, the sort we normally see from anons trying to preserve their vanity forum advertisement. —Korath (Talk) 18:59, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
You yourself suggesting opening a parallel VfD. I'm astonished that you now accuse me of bad faith for following your own suggestion, jguk19:06, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Does this mean you are also saying that all lists should be moved to Wikipediaspace and no reference should be made to their existence in the articlespace? jguk08:15, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying that, but I would prefer if lists were not counted as articles. I don't see that as a reason to move the existing ones though. Angela. 08:24, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I think it's a great idea. And until the self-references issue is settled, moving it to the Wikipedia namespace will make it off-limits to readers, ruining the whole point of it. If there is no reason to move the existing lists, then I don't see a reason to move the existing portals. — Knowledge Seekerদ08:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Once more with feeling. Am I correct in summarizing the status quo as follows?
The main namespace is reserved for articles, with the exception of
To make information as accessible to reusers as possible by not mentioning Wikipedia in a non-factual way;
To prevent displaying what some see as an unprofessional image by mentioning Wikipedia in a non-notable way.
The reason this discussion (well, not this one, but this is only the perimeter) has generated so much heat so far is because portals are triggering more than one of these concerns. If you believe the main namespace is good enough for anything useful to readers, then you'll get different results than if you believe it's for articles only, and you'll get different results still if you believe that portals resemble the Main Page, which need not be unique. Likewise, it matters to what extent and for what reason you believe self-references should be avoided, and whether a link to a WikiProject in a portal constitutes a promotion to an "internal Wikipedia affair". A separate namespace might be the best solution simply because we can write new rules for a new namespace. JRM · Talk 09:09, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
I think your summary looks good to me. I'd clarify that one of the reasons this is so contentious is the turf war pushes this portal both ways. This portal is intended not for editors but for readers—say a reader is interested in cricket, this is a way to explore different areas of cricket. I personally think it's a great idea. As a page in the article space, some argue that it should be out of the main namespace and in the Wikipedia space. Fine; {{portal}} on Cricket would be a nice way to let readers of Cricket know about the other articles. However, another group say that this violates no self-references and remove the portal tag. (Note that the basis is for this instance, as I understand it, is making accessible for reusers, not the unprofessional image). Those (like me) who think it's a good idea argue that the portal, now in Wikipedia space, is unreachable from the article space, so readers (the intended audience) have no way to get to it, rendering a good idea useless. I feel that in the two wars going on, a good page is getting pushed out from both sides. A third possibility is that a page like this is not appropriate for readers and readers should not be directed to it, which would of course resolve the problem, but I haven't seen anyone suggest this so far. The fourth possibility is the creation of the portal namespace, which would solve the problem, assuming links from the main namespace to the portal namespace are allowed. If not, there'd be little point. Also, incidentally, I am arguing from the point of the portal just featuring cricket-related articles and such; I believe links to WikiProjects would be unprofessional and inappropriate (the second reason for the "no self-reference") — Knowledge Seekerদ09:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I wasn't aware that the other portals are supposed to be for editors only. What a waste - no wonder I can't find them. Oliver Chettle12:01, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
New policies and new practices (such as "special-interest portals in article space for readers") should be discussed at the Village pump page, not implemented unilaterally. No vote while admins and editors who use portals resolve whether to implement a portal namespace or find another resolution to the self-reference issue. Barno15:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If I was interested in cricket, but knew little abotu it, I woudl find a page like this very useful. Perhaps it belongs as an inverse to disambiguation. --Simon Cursitor20:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think this is a great idea. RSpeer 04:49, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
It seems like the only real issue with putting this portal in the main namespace is that it violates "no self references". This really isn't much of a reason:
1) We can trivially style the link to the WikiProject as an external-style link (as is done at Category:Cetaceans). Thus there is no problem for re-users.
2) The original self-reference policy was formulated to avoid things like "Mount Everest is as high as 55 Wikipedias" in Mount Everest. It was never originally applied to things like stub notices.
3) Carrying on from 2). We have thousands of references to Wikipedia in the main namespace. E.g. stubs notices etc... the reason that it is not a problem is that a re-user can easily rewrite the (relatively few) templates to suit their own needs. Often they just use a no-op.
Thus KEEP in the main namespace, it is a new, innovative and useful way of presenting information to readers and the problems it raises can be trivially worked around. Pcb21|Pete13:10, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with having this article in the main namespace is that it's unencyclopedic and, IMHO, has no potential to become encyclopedic. If there were a Portal: namespace, then this would be okay, but there isn't. Move to Wikipedia: namespace and delete the redirect. JYolkowski // talk22:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What does "encyclopedic" mean in this context? We are just trying to open new avenues to our content. The main page is similarly "unencyclopedic" but that doesn't mean its not useful. Pcb21|Pete07:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Technical issues and naming arguments be damned, the *idea* is brilliant, and that is what should be voted on. I could easily forsee a portal for US History or Classical Music or Videogames... or even niche sections like Survivor or Pokemon or Zelda or Star Wars or whatnot if each could be made and upkept in an applicable and useful manner. I don't understand what all the arguing is about, but the *idea*, people, the *idea*... the idea is good. Master Thief Garrett09:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
MovetoWikipedia:Wikiportal/Cricket. As for it being reader-oriented and other portals being editor-oriented, I don't see how is it any different from the rest except for being in another namespace. I was the creator of the first Wikiportal at en: and I wanted to make them for both readers and editors. It was never my intention to make only editor-centred portals. And I strongly support a new namespace for portals. Ausir12:43, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but... change how the Portal is linked to from the article (in this case Cricket) to make it more obvious. Example as below.
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Vanity. Also, "he was featured in the Marietta Daily Journal newspaper, where he is nonchalantly reading a Bible magazine at his job" does not make one noteworthy. Zzyzx11(Talk)20:18, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Created by new user; I've dropped a note on his talk page. Delete as original research--it was a term he coined in his master's thesis. Careful now, no biting. Meelar(talk) 20:49, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
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User:LeeHunter made a very wise suggestion on Talk:Islamofascism. His recommendation was to create a page titled Fascism as epithet, which would describe the use of the term Fascism as applied to individuals and groups who do not consider themselves Fascist. This would avoid all of the interminable arguments about which Xofascism should have an article of its own. It would also help alleviate the concerns over the Islamofascism article becoming a POV platform. Firebug07:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly disagree with the proposal. That would equate Islamofascism, which is a real word used by notable people, with Christofascism, which is not. Meelar(talk) 21:04, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
Actually "Christofascism" is a real word used by notable people. See the talk page for a pointer I've provided to real use by a serious theologian. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆02:49, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The difference, to me, is how notable. Ms. Soelle gets about 200 google hits--maybe not bad for a theologian, but nowhere near 1.6 million for Andrew Sullivan. There's a clear distinction between the two terms in how often they're used and how prominent the users are. Meelar(talk) 02:52, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
I may have been unclear. I'm not saying that every neologism needs to be mentioned in the Fascism as epithet article, nor that little-used terms must be given the same amount of space in that proposed article as ones that see a lot of use. What I am saying is that the use of the term "Fascism" to describe individuals and groups who are not self-identified Fascists is a very well-known phenomenon, and that it makes more sense to have a single article for the entire phenomenon than to splinter it up (especially when certain splinter articles, like Islamofascism, have become POV springboards to attack the groups in question, rather than to focus on the use of the terms as epithets). "Christofascism" isn't as prominent as "Islamofascism" as a term, but what about other uses of "Fascism" as an epithet? What about terms like "Feminazis" (certainly notable, it was coined and used by Rush Limbaugh), "Hitlery", and "Bushitler"? People have been comparing their political opponents to fascists ever since the end of the Second World War. I think we should have an article on the use of the term "Fascism" as an epithet, and have this article encompass all latter-day uses of such terminology, with article space allocated in rough proportion to the prominence of each term. Firebug23:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that does clarify things a bit, but I still must disagree. IMO, each instance of notable "X-fascism" should get its own article. The problems you're describing with Islamofascism are an argument for watching that article closely and editing it boldly. That doesn't mean we should get rid of the article. An article on Feminazi would make more sense than merging all these disparate articles together, although feminazi isn't as well-defined as Islamofascism. Meelar(talk) 01:37, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
You're a hypocrite. You say "IMO, each instance of "X-fascism" should get its own article." but then you vote delete for a very notable X-fascism term. People have written books and published articles, notable people have used the terms "christofascism" and "christian fascism". Stancel23:03, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with giving each its own article is that you totally lose the historical context and perhaps the general commentary of people like Orwell re the use of fascism as an epithet. When you see how various groups have used the word to slander their enemies, it is more interesting and enlightening. By the way, the article has been created under the name Fascist (epithet). --Lee Hunter15:34, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Self-admitted neologism. Probably also "disrupting wikipedia to make a point" Rmhermen 20:04, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether or not this is a vote or just a comment. Rmhermen, you can take out my "subcomment" here if/when you move this to a vote section. -t TomerTALK 07:11, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
I regularly visit the left blogosphere and have never seen this term, certainly not in the main posts. There's a huge differences between major commentators and people in the comments section at Democratic Underground. Meelar(talk) 07:21, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Meelar, take a look at the article as I have updated it. I included several citations of the use of the term, as well as the likely origins of the term. (Apparently it was invented by theologian Dorothy Soelle in her book Beyond Mere Obedience). Firebug11:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A theologian who gets 178 google hits and the comments thread at Daily Kos is in now way comparable to George Will, Andrew Sullivan, or National Review. If notable people were using this regularly, I'd be voting to keep it. They're not. Meelar(talk) 06:44, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
It's also worth pointing out that you won't see many major commentators using terms like Nigger either, because they are considered to be highly offensive. But we still list them on Wikipedia. Firebug11:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's amazing how some people voted to keep Islamofascism but they are so quick to delete this. Perhaps it shows their hypocrisy? If this article is deleted, all other -ofascism articles must be deleted or redirected to list of political epithets. That is my only compromise. - Stancel 2 May 2005 11:16 (UTC)
I removed the historical sections to make the article more about the "term" itself and not about what the term describes. I realized I should do this after I saw that Islamofascism now only concentrated on the use of the word. But if Islamofascism becomes more POV and full of bullshit, then I will concentrate on the historical Christofascism. - Stancel11:31, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is it that you don't get about WP:POINT? What you're doing is swiftly becoming WP:Vandalism. As for your persistent insistance on calling people with whom you disagree "hypcrites", please read WP:No personal attacks again. TomerTALK 22:32, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
Stancel, you're entitled to your opinions, but calling people hypocrites just because you disagree with them is neither professional nor productive, and is unwelcome on Wikipedia. TomerTALK 07:05, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Do whatever is done with Islamofascism. Just as that term has been often used in the right blogosphere, I have often heard terms like "Christofascist", "Jesofascist", and "Jeebofascist" in the left blogosphere. If these articles are kept, they should focus on the epithet itself, not be a list of bad things that Muslims and Christians have done. After all, the ZOG article isn't a list of bad things Jews have done, nor is Nigger a list of bad things black people have done. That's where I think a lot of the problems with the Islamofascism article lies. I can't speculate as to the creator's motive for this article, but it could have been in good faith. This isn't an extremely well-known term, but most people who regularly visit the left blogosphere will have heard it more than once, and a reasonable argument could be made for keeping the article. Firebug22:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Firebug, I put your vote here, since the Islamofascism VfD failed. TomerTALK 07:05, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
I see nothing here to indicate this word is anything other that a term used by extremist opponents of Christianity. If this is true then it no more deserves an article than "commie traitors" should be a redirect to the Democratic party. HOWEVER this is a very young article. I suggest that this article is given time, say a couple of weeks, to see if anything substansive is found. If not it should be renominated for VFD. DJ Clayworth16:05, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The idea that theologian Dorothy Soelle, who appears to have coined the term, is an "extremist opponent of Christianity" is pretty funny. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆16:39, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I said there was nothing in the article to indicate it, and there still isn't. Maybe someone should add something about her, and what she meant, and then the article could go from being a meaningless rant to something useful. DJ Clayworth12:47, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and the word "Islamofascism" is only used by extremist opponents of Islam. What's your point? Ketsy19:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep until Islamofascism is deleted. Agree with Stancel. Iam 11:49, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
Keep and renameitChristian fascism. Unless all me-you-fascism articles are delated or merged all together in Fascist (epithet), this one should be kept. There are books as references to Christian Fascism more than Islamic fascism or Jewish fascism. Svest 12:13, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
Delete as non-notable neologism. I don't see the parallel with Islamofascism, a term that gets 350 times more hits on google; by your argument any ___fascism article would be allowed. If the term becomes notable, then it will deserve an article. Brighterorange21:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Neologism that few if any actually use, and definitely falls under "disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point." Isomorphic23:14, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've included some examples with sourcing of the use of this term in an attempt to make the article more encyclopedic. Firebug23:26, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--show me some notable commentators using this term and I will change my vote. Until then, don't compare this to Islamofascism. Meelar(talk) 07:16, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. WP:POINT. And on the question of "Islamofascism" vs. "Christofascism" or "Judeofascism", on Google Islamofascism gets 64,000 hits, Christofascism gets 190 hits, and Judeofascism gets 156 hits. Out of interest I popped over to the second most popular search enginge, and on Yahoo the difference is even more pronounced: Islamofascism gets 82,200 hits, Christofascism gets 99 hits, Judeofascism gets 86 hits. On top of that, Islamofascism is used by a number of significant writers, whereas Christofascism and Judeofascism are used by unknowns and/or cranks. Jayjg (talk)16:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Just because the offensive term "Islamofascism" is notable, doesn't mean that "fascism" must be attached to every other religious group quid pro quo. There are plenty of other equally offensive yet notable terms applied to various religious and political groups, and it's not up to Wikipedia to create novel terms to even some popular culture "score". --MPerel( talk | contrib) 18:14, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. This discussion need not turn on whether "Islamofascism" is a tool of anti-Muslim propagandists. That's irrelevant. What matters is that said term does exist and is used often by notable publications while the same cannot be said for Christofascism. It is not for Wikipedia to make value judgments or back one side over the other. Non-notable. Period. Mackensen(talk)20:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you think that's a bit unfair? I am not (to put it mildly) a big fan of fundamentalism, but a redirect of this nature would be clearly POV. If you're going to redirect it to a form of Christianity (a bad idea in the first place) then it should be a redirect to Christian ReconstructionismorDominionism. Firebug20:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Unfair? Not really - anymore than my earlier vote to redirect JudeofascismtoZionism... it's not necessarily about what the thing is, but about what people are really looking for in the encyclopedia when they type it in the box. -- BDAbramsonthimk 06:21, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
I agree, redirecting an unrealistic and extreme group to a real-world conservative group would probably work. I'll reconsider my vote... I think... Master Thief Garrett08:20, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete!!! Fie on thou, spamvertiser!!! Thou art condemned to.... Wiki-Hellllll!!!! -- BD2412thimk 19:42, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
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This should be moved to Wiktionary in case the definition is correct. Svest 21:28, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Okay it's a crap stub. cleanup. Recuperation has a couple of meanings that are very encyclopedic, but I'm not going to do it because I'm getting to feel like a performing monkey. Why don't you just take the initiative and say "Recuperation is gradual recovery from illness." And then you just add some "see also" items and you have a useful stub. This an intrinsically encyclopedic subject because it touches on disease, nursing, medicine, health, psychology and whatnot, so it fits well into the organic environment of a Wiki. keep--Tony Sidaway|Talk22:36, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A quick look indicates that "recuperation" is only used with the strange meaning in situationist jargon. That's got to be made clear in recuperation or WP is going to help kids fail their vocabulary exams. The current state of recuperation is also bogus because the rare, specialized slang meaning is listed first and the common meanings later. The article for detournement is also a problem — it's simply copied from part of situationist. It seems that detournement should just be a explanation that it's situationist jargon with a brief definition and link to situationist. I'd do this myself, but I have hopes that there's someone else here who knew there was such a thing as Situationist International for longer than the last 5 minutes. Quale00:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete without redirect. Come on, who's actually going to search for "Muchmusic message board" here? Wouldn't they just type in "Muchmusic"? And if anything I'd expect someone to look with the word "forum" which wouldn't help either. Master Thief Garrett23:59, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Er, before seeing Spinboy's vote I just edited it and merged it in at MuchMusic#Internet community, attributing the original creator in my edit summary. So, well, it's merged. But I'm not that enthusiastic about a redirect... Samaritan01:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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It's an encyclopedia. Type Wacky and you'd expect to see the word used in a reasonable context. Wacky Races inhabited a time when the word Wacky had traction with 8-14-year-olds, who now happen to be rather mature adults. --Tony Sidaway|Talk23:53, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as already-transwikied dicdef. No redirect even though I was a Wacky Races fan, back in the day. If WP were to include cutesy humor when it's not 01-April, I would support the redirect as a sort of "I'm Feeling Lucky"-button adventure, but that's not the case. Barno15:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia is not a names database. RickK 23:25, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
That's interesting that you say that Rick, since your name is an article on Wikipedia. So if we delete "Vilen", then we should also delete "Rick" and any other names, such as Bob or Jim or whatever names there are listed on Wikipedia. Moosh88User talk:Moosh88 23:25, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
You're right, that shouldn't be here either. I've listed it accordingly. RickK 23:39, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
DeleteVilen; KeepRick. Rick can be used like other first name pages and disambiguate to people with that name. However, i don't believe that Vilen has the same usefulness. R Calvete 00:30, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Yes: delete Vilen but keep Rick. Jack, Bob and Dave and Joe are all helpful and quite busy disambiguation pages - hey, I just happened to add to each (1, 2, 3 and 4) earlier today. I'm sure there are other meanings for Rick, RICK, etc. this will grow organically to encompass. Samaritan00:36, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Vilen but Redirect Rick to Rick (movie) (or just move Rick (movie) to Rick) because the other dab meanings are useless. No one would just search for "Rick" and expect to find Rick Adams or Rick Allen, or anyone else whose first name is Rick. It's wrong to have a stub disambiguation page; either there are two meanings or there aren't. —Wahoofive (talk) 03:59, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Vilen but Redirect Rick to Richard, and make it an article about the origins and history of the name. We take names for granted, like there can't be anything interesting or encyclopedic about a name because, well, it's just a name. But names have history, and its often fascinating stuff. -- BDAbramsonthimk 04:45, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Thrilled as I am that you're agreeing with me, Megan, it's actually against policy to have a disambiguating name like Rick (movie) as the page title if that's the only meaning. We should just rename the movie page Rick. —Wahoofive (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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These used to have a parent called MTV Jams Playlists, which I deleted according to the consensus at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/MTV Jams Playlists. Both of these daily playlists were listed there too and consensus was to delete them as well. However, no VfD tag was ever placed on those articles. Hence, as a matter of proper form, I'm relisting them here, with full faith that the right thing will be done. Delete as nonencyclopedic and probably a host of other things. Postdlf23:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both articles, unencyclopedic, being consistent with the parent article's VfD and its consensus on its subarticles. Barno15:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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What's the difference? Shell corporation has a definition from Barron's that seems to describe exactly what are sold as "shelf corporations." Shelf corporations, like shell corporations, are sometimes used to anonymize transactions. It looks to me as if they are the same thing, with a different name to downplay the association with fraud. Gazpacho04:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Bravo to Gazpacho for NPOV'ing it; agreed with Klonimus they're quite distinct. An encyclopedic subject on an "even if Wiki were paper" level. Samaritan01:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Expand - quickie Google search reveals plenty of companies that are selling "shelf corporations" for exactly the reasons detailed in the article. [6], [7], [8], [9]. --BDthimk 02:40, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
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Delete. WP is not a software manual. Keybindings in one piece of software are in general not of encyclopedic interest. Quale03:31, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I had no idea what this article was talking about until I saw Tony's link above. Seems to contain no information that can't be merged with the blender (software) page. StuTheSheep 20:29, May 6, 2005 (UTC)
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Not Notable. He + organisation's name give less that 10 googles. (Although I can think of plenty of other reasons to delete.)--Doc Glasgow23:40, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
SPEEDIED. No meaningful content or history. There must be a Peter Reed in nearly every English speaking community. I did look at the history--no indication of which person was alleged to be a pedophile. --Tony Sidaway|Talk00:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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