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byAnonymous Coward writes:
Trump wants to re-write history and only teach things he agrees with. He has already deleted plenty of inconvenient truths from the Department of Defense website and purged photos that show historical events he doesn't agree with. Returning education to the states is his attempt to let states warp their curriculum to whatever version of history is in favor this year.
Moon landing? Didn't happen.
Holocaust? Made up to justify WWII.
Evolution? False because apes can't talk.
Bible study? Mandatory.
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byTheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 ) writes:
They're on both ends of the spectrum, and some in the middle too.
byKisai ( 213879 ) writes:
Exactly.
It's easier to read if you use the diamond shaped political compass where on the furthest end of left and right you have "communist" and "fascist" and on the top and bottom you have "Democracy" and "Anarchy"
Most US political parties are in the upper-right section. The GOP is presently overlapping with fascist pretty easily, and the only thing that is stopping them is the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court decides to be loyal to Trump instead of the Constitution, then the Constitution has been torn
byDragonslicer ( 991472 ) writes:
It's easier to read if you use the diamond shaped political compass where on the furthest end of left and right you have "communist" and "fascist" and on the top and bottom you have "Democracy" and "Anarchy"
I don't think "communist"/"fascist" and "democracy"/"anarchy" are exactly opposites. I prefer The Political Compass [politicalcompass.org] axes - the horizontal axis is economics (where the left end is full communism and the right end is full laissez-faire) and the vertical axis is social (bottom end is full libertarian and top end is full authoritarian).
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
As much as Jewish and Palestinian people will not admit it. They are the same people.
Fuck off and don't presume to speak for me.
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byargStyopa ( 232550 ) writes:
Check your meds.
Pretty clearly they're not working.
byLazLong ( 757 ) writes:
@DrMrLordX
There is a difference between anti-semitic and against the policies of the current Israeli govt. Don't fall into the stupid propaganda hole of the Right and conflate the two. One can despise the policies of Netanyahu and the actions of the IDF in Gaza that have resulted in mass civilian casualties that would not be tolerated by the modern US military before the ascension of Hegseth.
There is far, far more anti-semitism on the Right and amongst Trump supporters. Of the two Dems you cite, ilhan Omar strays into territory that smacks of anti-semitism, but Rashida Tlaib, no. Being Muslim doesn't mean anti-semitic.
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byzkiwi34 ( 974563 ) writes:
If you against Israeli policies, then are it begs the question, are you in favour of Hamas etc policy?
byfullgandoo ( 1188759 ) writes:
Hamas is a result of Israeli policies. Netanyahu said so himself and propagated Hamas instead of any moderate forces. Go look up his actual statements.
Israel doesn't want a two state solution and prefers radicals to rule in Gaza so that whenever there's talk about two states, everyone can just say, "now is not the time".
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Don't fall into the stupid propaganda hole of the Right and conflate the two.
He's not falling for it. He knows it's bullshit but repeats it anyway. He really, really, wants people to think of the left as being "the real Nazis". You know, so that he can continue being an openly racist white supremacist.
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
Anti Israel does not equate to anti Jewish.
byzkiwi34 ( 974563 ) writes:
Anti Israel... does that equate to being in favour of "from the river to the sea..."?
byfullgandoo ( 1188759 ) writes:
The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Similar wording, such as referring to the area "west of the Jordan river", has also been used in the 2020s by other Israeli politicians, including Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on 18 January 2024.
byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
If you against Israeli policies, then are it begs the question, are you in favour of Hamas etc policy?
Anti Israel... does that equate to being in favour of "from the river to the sea..."?
No. Any other stupid questions you'd like to beg?
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bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Holocaust deniers are among the stupid population everywhere. Despite the rhetoric and shade team red throws at team blue and vis versa it turns out that neither end of the political spectrum is actually moron free.
But you aren't doing yourself any intellectual favours by pretending that is a partisan topic and referring to tabloids for evidence.
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bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Despite the rhetoric and shade team red throws at team blue and vis versa it turns out that neither end of the political spectrum is actually moron free.
Indeed. If we had moron-free major political movements or parties, the world would look different.
byCreepy ( 93888 ) writes:
And sadly, one of the smartest people I know (/knew, he's dead now) was a holocaust denier. I get why, he was Muslim and destroying Judaism and especially an Israeli state was a central tenet in his belief, but this is why I just say sweet fuck all to most major religions.
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
What the fuck newspaper is the New York Sun?
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bygtall ( 79522 ) writes:
More to the point, it is an an attempt to let the Christian jackoffs control education in the States since they'll vote for whatever silliness he comes up with.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Holocaust? Made up to justify WWII.
Trump is on the opposite end of that camp. By that I mean ignoring everything which was done in the middle east post Holocaust. He basically gave Netanyahu a reacharound the last time they met.
byDan East ( 318230 ) writes:
Trump wants to re-write history and only teach things he agrees with
Isn't he relinquishing his federal power over education by dismantling the federal department of education? I mean if that's his goal, to rewrite history and control what is taught, wouldn't he want to consolidate power at his level of the government even more?
I just don't understand the logic here, because he wouldn't need to return control to the states. It is totally within his power to have the education department let the states do whatever they want (and for the most part they already can, right?) and continue spending tons of federal money on the department.
How does dismantling the federal DOE make states like California teach what Trump wants them to? I'm legitimately curious how dismantling the DOE will impact what my kids are taught in school. If there's something I'm missing here I'd like to know what it is, because this power could be wielded by either side down the road when we have a different president.
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byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Trump operates in chaos. By dismantling the department of education he creates a chaotic vacuum that he does best in.
bylamer01 ( 1097759 ) writes:
You are just making stuff up.
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
The goal is to make it as difficult as possible for public schools to function so that they can justify funneling public money into private schools. For most of them, it's a cash grab. For the rest, it's a way to get our tax dollars to pay for compulsory Jesus lessons.
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byMartin Blank ( 154261 ) writes:
Reducing overhead for sake of reducing overhead is never a good idea. Some overhead is unnecessary, I agree. But cutting all of it wholesale despite the presence of useful overhead isn't the answer.
bymeekrab ( 4680249 ) writes:
This is a false framing of what Cheeto Benito is doing and you should be embarrassed for resorting to it.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
No thanks. In case that wasn't clear from my other posts, I fully support elimination of the Department of Education.
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Again, that's only because you're stupid and uneducated. You're not qualified for this, or any other, discussion. You should bow your head and listen to your betters.
byWaffleMonster ( 969671 ) writes:
No thanks. In case that wasn't clear from my other posts, I fully support elimination of the Department of Education.
There is a difference between policy preferences and the implementation of those policies. You may have heard the phrase "ends don't justify means".
While one may fully support a world without pedophiles this policy preference does not justify impaling anyone you believe is or could be a pedophile on the spire of the Burj Khalifa.
Likewise in this particular case there are legal avenues for elimination of the department of education. Executive fiat is not one of them. The department of education is congres
byRegistered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) writes:
The goal is to make it as difficult as possible for public schools to function so that they can justify funneling public money into private schools. For most of them, it's a cash grab. For the rest, it's a way to get our tax dollars to pay for compulsory Jesus lessons.
Various Wicans, Satanists, etc. need to start their own private school to get voucher money and we can grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
What on earth makes you think the establishment clause will still protect them six months from now?
bywalllaby ( 1869496 ) writes:
Our children should have the freedom to worship in schools!
...no, not like that!
bylamer01 ( 1097759 ) writes:
I mean how does delegating education to the states benefit Trump here? To the contrary, the more power is concentrating at the Federal level the more 'controlling' the government can be.
bywalllaby ( 1869496 ) writes:
Education already ismostly controlled by individual states, aside from standardized testing. And even then, the College Board (which manages AP and SAT) is a separate nonprofit organization. [collegeboard.org]
The thing states may miss out on is about 268 Billion (13.6%) [educationdata.org] in federal funding. And sadly this seems to be getting rid of special education.
You can always judge a society based on how it treats the least of its members.
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byavandesande ( 143899 ) writes:
This goes along with the 'facist' line of reasoning. What facist would reduce the scope of government?
byTyler Durden ( 136036 ) writes:
You can go ahead and take the quotes off of "fascist".
Here [youtube.com] is an excellent video where a history professor addresses questions regarding dictatorships, including fascist ones, which shows some telling parallels with the current Trump presidency. It talks about how they like to dismantle certain functioning aspects of the government for their own power as well.
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bydryeo ( 100693 ) writes:
Ones early in their reigns. First they dismantle the parts they don't agree with, then replace those parts with government or business parts that further they're agenda.
Do not Americans have world history in school?
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bypulpo88 ( 6987500 ) writes:
Isn't he relinquishing his federal power over education by dismantling the federal department of education?
As president he's obligated to implement the programs established and funded by congressional mandate. The president doesn't get to decide what laws to implement and what ones to ignore, whether it's a newly-established department or an existing one. So he's overstepping his constitutional authority. The GOP-led congress could resolve this simply by voting for the abolition of the department and/or its programs (indeed they could have done so with a Democrat in the white house and they'd have been obliga
bylamer01 ( 1097759 ) writes:
Can't upvote you because I already posted the same thing. Lots of unhinged people posting just hate, vitriol and fearmongering about everything that comes out of the Trump administration without first digesting the news or contemplating the implications.
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bylamer01 ( 1097759 ) writes:
It literally strips most spending authority regarding education from the Federal govt. Before this, the Federal govt could manipulate states' education curriculum by holding carrot/sticks spending through DOE. At least try to see that what you are espousing is fear and propaganda.
byh4rryc4ry ( 663135 ) writes:
ha! more than half the voting public doesn't know their history.
everyday feels like a flashback scene of a dystopian film.
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