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byTheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 ) writes:
There are a lot of programs that the DOE administers. They'll continue as Trump cannot stop them. That's most of the money.
This is not the Carter DOE. Ed in the Fed has existed for over a century. They just reorganized in the Carter years.
The DOE did NCLB and other fuckery, so I won't especially miss it.
The real issues are Trump violating laws through his cuts and withholding, and spineless Congress allowing him to do so. Spineless on both sides of the aisle.
bydawg1234 ( 6925868 ) writes:
orange man bad
leon/elmo bad
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
It is truly fascinating to see the cheers as the orange shitgibbon and the South African Nazi, who is - according to papa Errol - "not racist because he never spat on out black servants", dismantle the US and turn it into a Latin American shithole look-alike.
That after downgrading it from a world super power to a regional bully.
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byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
Who's "abusing", baby? If it talks like a Nazi, siegs like a Nazi and buys elections to support Nazi policies, it is a Nazi.
bybutt0nm4n ( 1736412 ) writes:
And shoot it like a Nazi. Before or after scalping, your choice. Inglorious B'stard.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Who is abusing it? If it salutes like a Nazi, and attends extreme far right German rallies like a Nazi what else do you call it? A very naughty boy?
bynecro81 ( 917438 ) writes:
If it salutes like a Nazi
When spastic hand waving on a stage is all that required to be called a Nazi, then it is not a big deal to be a Nazi. You are de-stigmatizing Nazism. That is a huge problem created by people like you that want to abuse the term for political gain.
When spastic hand waving
Spastic hand waving? Is that the excuse this week? There is no resemblance at all between what Elon did and "hand waving" as anyone would understand it. Particularly when combined with the "gesture starts at the chest" preamble. And once extended, it did not wave (or waver).
Or, as Stephen Colbert put it [youtu.be]: "For the past 80 years on human history there are only a couple of acceptable positions for a fully extended arm. Okay? It goes [reaches down to waist height] pet the puppy, [raise to chest height] tossle your nephew's hair, and [raises straight in the air] hail a cab. In between nephew down here and hail a cab up here...this is called the danger zone."
Musk apologists and fanbois keep going on about how smart he supposedly is. He's not the most graceful person, but neither is he a spaz prone to uncontrollable movements. He knew what he was doing and how it would be interpreted. The real question isn't whether it was a Nazi salute - it clearly was - but rather why he was doing it? Was it to own the libs? Or was it because he's showing his true colors.
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byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
That's AI you moron, a channel with 8 subscribers?
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bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
I know you have mental challenges that prevent you from doing basic internet searches, so here is the full video [youtube.com] from 2mil subscriber news channel.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
DON'T DO THAT! Call it out correctly. It's not AI. There are multiple angles of it. But it's also not a salute. Remember how we were talking about handwaving only a couple of posts up? That's is what this is, combined with a double tap to the heart. https://x.com/AzevedoAlves/sta... [x.com] Here it is from another angle.
It didn't start the same. It didn't move the same (not a salute). It didn't end the same (neither hand positioning, finger positioning, nor angle of arm is remotely the same as a nazi salute... unli
byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
I'm staying the hell out of the "Elon is a Nazi" argument, but I can see why you shared the first video first. That's some pretty "clever" editing there. Ya know, the part where they cut off the part of his hand that shows Walz is fucking waving. This is actually, legitimately, the first time I've watched the video of what Musk did. Compared to what you just shared? Calling that a stark difference doesn't really cut it. Thumps chest, snaps arm straight out, repeat three times. Versus hand over heart, a
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Thumps chest, snaps arm straight out....
...hand over heart, arm out, wave.
You political affiliation will highly correlate with which interpretation you are going to see in each of these clips.
The key difference, is that I am not sharing Waltz clip in attempt to insinuate that he is a Nazi, I am sharing it to cause cognitive dissonance to highlight bias in misinterpreting Musk actions. More so, there are clips out there where someone AI-swapped Musk clip, which are even more dissonance-inducing, but you will have to search for them yourself.
byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
You political affiliation will highly correlate with which interpretation you are going to see in each of these clips
No kidding. Nobody likes it when their guy does a Nazi salute. Three times.
Again, I'm not jumping on the "Musk is a Nazi" bandwagon, but it's pretty hard to look at that clip and not come to the conclusion that's what it was. That being said, you, I, and the rest of the country (save for Musk) will never know what his intent there was. He's an awkward dude in public. And that's a perfectly viable explanation: Nothing more than an awkward version of what Walz did. THAT being said, it still sure as fuck l
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
When I watched that live, I immediately thought "they will cut this out of context and have a field day with it". Still, the intent and circumstances matter. You would not think a toddler reaching for a toy is doing Nazi salute. At the same time, footage of Hitler simply waving at the crowd could be reasonably interpreted as a Nazi salute.
byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
When I watched that live, I immediately thought "they will cut this out of context and have a field day with it"
Most of time context is important, but I don't feel like this is one of them. Unless this missing context was "this was a tryout for a WWII film".
Still, the intent and circumstances matter.
This I will agree on. I'm fine chalking it up to an awkward man being awkward. Been guilty of that more times than I'd care to admit.
At the same time, footage of Hitler simply waving at the crowd could be reasonably interpreted as a Nazi salute.
Yeah, no.
Either way, I have been intentionally staying out of this line of discussion, mainly because there's no point in it. Was a Nazi salute, wasn't a Nazi salute? A buncha dudes on the Internet arguing about it isn't going to a
byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
...context is important, but I don't feel like...
Shit, forgot I was going to clarify that part. Replace that snip with this: "...context is important, but if that were a Nazi salute I don't feel like...
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
You political affiliation will highly correlate with which interpretation you are going to see in each of these clips.
Indeed! If you lean to the left by American standards, your interpretation will correlate somewhat with objective reality. If you sit on the Nazi Musk crazy MAGA wing, then you'll somehow interpret it as a devastating attack on the other team proving THEY are the REAL Nazis, not the guy ripping off a Nazi salute.
Posting dumbshit AI videos making Walz do a Nazi salute doesn't change anything.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Posting dumbshit AI videos making Walz do a Nazi salute doesn't change anything.
This is going to be awkward for you. [youtube.com].
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
Both sides raise their arms! Both sides! Therefore I support the Nazi, because both sides.
Except you know elbow slightly bent, palm facing forwards is not a Nazi salute. Unlike what Elon was doing.
byskam240 ( 789197 ) writes:
Funny, when I watched that live I just saw a Nazi salute. No out of context needed.
Then later on he doesn't even have the decency to apologise for it. Clearly he's either promoting fascism, trolling, or both. A decent human being would at least feel regret and embarrassment over doing something so widely interpreted as endorsing Nazism and offer an apology.
This makes me think back to a couple years ago when he agreed with an X post about Replacement Theory and ended up touring former Nazi concentration camp
byskam240 ( 789197 ) writes:
And if anyone had at the time interpreted that as a Nazi salute I bet Waltz would have had the decency to apologies for it.
Funny how this clip from Waltz is only getting attention now that conservatives need to run deflection for Musk, isn't it?
Does Waltz also push teplacement theory btw? And why does X's policy under Musk of only censoring posts that Musk disagrees with not apply to racist posts?
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
So what you are saying the key difference between being a Nazi and not Nazi are minute differences in the elbow angle when saluting? Would you say non-Nazi angle range is about 100 to 170 degrees, 175 degrees is a gray zone, but 180 is definitely a Nazi?
byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
Comparing the videos side by side is even more damning. I'm not jumping on the "Musk is a Nazi" bandwagon, but it takes some pretty good mental gymnastics to compare those two actions and come to the conclusion that they are the same.
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byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
Group A: Waves arm around.
Group B: Firebombs, shoots, and otherwise vandalizes cars and businesses to effect political change.
Pretty clear who the nazis are.
byUtsuMaster ( 874626 ) writes:
Spastic hand waving? Is that the excuse this week?
What everyone should be aware is the extent of what's being called 'sane-washing' distorts public perception.
When Bannon did his Nazi salute at CPAC, if you searched for it online on most search engines, ALL the top results contained frame-grabs of hand-waves, half-assed gestures, and other arm positions earlier in the speech that absolutely looked liked dems were losing their shit over nothing. NONE of the headline images were of the actual salute and nod at the end. The content of these articles included
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bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Wow. You can't seriously believe that, can you? Who the fuck do you think you're fooling anyway?
Was it a Nazi salute? Nazi's certainly think so, as do other white-supremacist groups. So do his defenders, like noted Charlie Kirk, who has to tell and obvious lie about the nature of the gesture because it's so obvious even he couldn't deny it outright. (Charlie Kirk and his organization regularly provides a sympathetic platform to white supremacists while cynically denying their support for white supremac
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
You are nowhere near objective on this (or anything else political). While you are free to believe anything you want, the consequences of expressing your beliefs is de-stigmatizing Nazi. To me, Nazi means race-based Darwinism (i.e., advocacy or eradication of other ethnicities). While you are (if I am being overly charitable) using it to smear showing national pride (i.e., our culture/values are the best). These are not the same set of beliefs.
byunrtst ( 777550 ) writes:
To me, Nazi means race-based Darwinism (i.e., advocacy or eradication of other ethnicities).
Meanwhile, to the rest of the world, it is a lot more complex than that. From Wikipedia:
Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. Its beliefs include support for dictatorship, fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism, anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, Nordicism, social Darwinism, homophobia, ableism, and the use of eugenics.
They sure do seem to be checking a lot of those boxes and running directly towards the rest.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
To me, Nazi means race-based Darwinism (i.e., advocacy or eradication of other ethnicities).
The Nazis didn't do any of that for their first decade in power. What they did do however is startingly similar to what is happening now. Or do you think rounding up a bunch of foreigners and throwing them on a plane without due process to the point where the people doing it had to wear balaclavas while telling the world the ones without masks were terrorists and needed to be kicked out of the country is normal? If so you may too be a nazi. That doesn't mean you're running around killing people you don't li
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
To me, Nazi means race-based Darwinism
That's only because you're stupid and uneducated.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Have you seen the video? Because that is not what happened. Incidentally, the actual experts (German prosecution) also thinks it was a Nazi salute, which happens to be illegal to display in Germany. Musk doing his "spastic hand waving" being projected on the Tesla Factory in Germany triggered an investigation for the "use of anti-constitutional symbols". If these people think it is a Nazi-salute, is is one.
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byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
What does that busted cock implant taste like?
byPPH ( 736903 ) writes:
If it salutes like a Nazi
It's a Roman soldier?
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
Roman soldiers are sieg-heiling only in Amurikhan movies, due to the amazing ignorance about history of those who the said movies are targeting.
Even the wikipedia knows that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
Why are you spending so much time defending an obviously intentional and obviously Nazi salute?
byglowimperial ( 705397 ) writes:
If it salutes like a Nazi
When spastic hand waving on a stage is all that required to be called a Nazi, then it is not a big deal to be a Nazi. You are de-stigmatizing Nazism. That is a huge problem created by people like you that want to abuse the term for political gain.
None of us are calling Elon a Nazi because an infantile man-child thought it would troll the libs to toss out a sieg heil. We're calling him a Nazi because he's a racist, genocidal, eugenicist whose far right politics mirror those of both the Nazis and Neo-Nazis.
byWaffleMonster ( 969671 ) writes:
None of us are calling Elon a Nazi because an infantile man-child thought it would troll the libs to toss out a sieg heil. We're calling him a Nazi because he's a racist, genocidal, eugenicist whose far right politics mirror those of both the Nazis and Neo-Nazis.
Exactly. Before the Heil Hitler Musk openly supported Jewish replacement theory. Not long after it he went and spoke to the Nazi party in Germany about the "dilution" of "German culture".
byAnonymous Coward writes:
Nazis don't scare me. I've lived under progressives.
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byMightyMartian ( 840721 ) writes:
The guy gave a Nazi salute at the inauguration. He's a Nazi. They're all Nazis.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Indeed. It really is as simple as that.
Yes, they may not be hardcore Nazis (yet), but their actions are also pretty clear. And they already did concentration camps and imprisoning people there without due cause. Sure, at this time they are not outright death-camps and they did outsource the job, but that is only a matter of degree. There are no good Nazis. They are all evil. Period.
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byfroggyjojodaddy ( 5025059 ) writes:
By that logic, if you called Ghandi a Nazi and people came out and said you can't just call everyone a Nazi then ... anyone who had an issue with calling Ghandi a Nazi is... a Nazi?
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
Trump's VP told us that Trump is America's Hitler. Why are you calling Trump's VP a liar?
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
You missed this bit:
and say you can't call everyone a Nazi
If you called Ghandi a Nazi, the Nazis of today would fall all over themselves to agree with you. It's the same reason why today's racists are so desperate to paint everyone else, especially people who call out their obvious racism, as the "real racists" even as they themselves continue to openly say and do racist things.
When you call a Nazi a Nazi, that's when the Nazis "come out of the woodwork and say you can't call everyone a Nazi." It's transparently cynical. Nazis, of course, think they're being clever.
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byfroggyjojodaddy ( 5025059 ) writes:
I'm gonna be honest. These are mental gymnastics far beyond my capability.
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Too complicated for you? I'm not surprised.
byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
You know how to identify Nazis?
"Look for whoever who disagrees with me."
FTFY.
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
So... you're finally saying that you agree with Nazis. How refreshingly honest of you.
byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
I'm not the one going full-on Kristallnacht against Tesla owners.
bydunkelfalke ( 91624 ) writes:
Really now? Have they murdered several thousands tesla owners and sent the rest to concentration camps? Arsehole.
byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
*shrug* Not yet, no, but it's only been a couple of weeks. Besides, if one side can throw around "nazi!" the other side can use it too.
In any case, they need to stop throwing tantrums like a yoddler whenever they don't get their way. Until then, it's not hard to see who the real Brownshirts are.
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
"Look for whoever who disagrees with me."
Given the topic of whether ripping off a Nazi salute is bad, then yes people who disagree with me on that are most likely Nazis. Non Nazis generally are not in favour of Nazi symbolism.
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bytfranzese ( 869766 ) writes:
If you're a Nazi lover, you're a Nazi: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08... [cnn.com]
bylilTimmy ( 6807660 ) writes:
Sorry man, the shoe fits.
Maybe we'll come up with a better word someday. I can imagine the future when we start calling people an "Elon".
"Stop abusing the word Elon. It LOSES all credibility and very soon people will carry it like a badge of honor and it will be all your fault"
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Ah, yes, the it's your fault I'm a Nazi [dailykos.com] argument. Classic.
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
I mean if you salute like one, what other word is applicable?
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
I would settle for "dumb fuck that craps all over millions of people murdered by the Nazis publicly and hence will spend a few years behind bars". As that will probably not happen, "Nazi" it is.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Somebody that publicly and clearly knowingly gave a Nazi-Salute not once, but twice, clearly can be legitimately called a "Nazi". In addition he has some world-views that pretty much vibe with fascists.
While I am well aware that the term "Nazi" gets overused, here that does not seem to be the case.
bykarmawarrior ( 311177 ) writes:
I'm sorry, which of the arguments are you, an apologist for Nazism, basing this on?
Is this the "It's only Nazi if it's in German from 1933 to 1945, otherwise it's sparkling fascism" one?
Or is it the "You call everyone you disagree with a Nazi" one?
Trump has made it very clear what philosophy he's following, and Musk has made it clear what he supports and did long before he did this https://www.threads.net/@darsb... [threads.net] followed by an endorsement to the spiritual successor to the Germany Nazi party.
Trump has thr
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bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
dismantle the US and turn it into a Latin American shithole look-alike
Stop hyperventilating. Dismantling DoE, which is catastrophically failing as measured by educational outcomes, and trying something/anything else is not going to result in "turn it into a shithole". At worst, we will end up where we started - with under-performing education system. However, the intended result of reducing bureaucratic overhead by directly funding states will likely at least reduce costs.
bylilTimmy ( 6807660 ) writes:
And by what metric are we considering the DoE a failure.
It might be better to reduce republican leadership. If you look at the crime, education, and other stats of red vs blue states you'll see that the red states make up most of the worst performing states in the country.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Fair question. As measured by the educational outcomes [oecdbetterlifeindex.org] per dollar spent [ed.gov]. 50% more than average OECD costs per student while barely above OECD average outcomes.
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byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
We spend more per pupil than anyone in the world except Norway and we come in at the equivalent of Mississippi in global education. It's fair to ask what we're getting for our money. It's bigger than just "DoEd" of course, but I bet if we get rid of all the regulation that forces districts to hire endless administrators and consultants (fueling opportunities for graft) and start actually sending money directly to the classrooms, we'd see an improvement.
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
Whatever, it isn't like it is my country. Fuck it up as much as you want. And masturbate about it as much as you would.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Exactly. The alternative is that we also have a say in how you run your country.
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
You try to. All the time.
And not only in mine, you're now openly threatening Canada with a shooting war, because it doesn't want to consider "peaceful" occupation.
You know who else did that to Poland.
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
Funny how it only fails in red states...
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
You're going to need some evidence for that bullshit of yours. Though I'll warn you now, you won't like what you find. You'll have no choice but to either stop being a useful idiot and embrace reality or continue to lie like a dishonest scumbag.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
You're going to need some evidence
Here you go. [slashdot.org]
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
You don't seem to have a keen grasp on the concept of "evidence". I'm not surprised. You don't seem to have a keen grasp on anything.
byangryman77 ( 6900384 ) writes:
As soon as states that are currently teaching Intelligent Design side-by-side with Evolution are no longer required to teach Evolution in schools, there will be fewer Democrats coming out of those states.
A good education usually instills the idea of egalitarianism, if only as a side effect.
A religious education, in my personal experience, usually instills the idea that people deserve whatever situation they're in, because God or whatever. Also
In my personal experience, the people who are slavery apol
bychasvircio ( 2886237 ) writes:
dismantle the US and turn it into a Latin American shithole look-alike
Stop hyperventilating. Dismantling DoE, which is catastrophically failing as measured by educational outcomes, and trying something/anything else is not going to result in "turn it into a shithole".
States or their subdivisions are responsible for almost all educational policy.
The DOE basically handed out money, particularly to the states who were unwilling to adequately fund their educational systems with their own state taxes.
They also sought corrective action when states were discriminating against disfavored minorities.
Many, particularly Red statists, might not like some of the minorities DOE was defending - which was exactly the point.
As mentioned elsewhere, the Blue vs Red state outcomes can be s
bywalterbyrd ( 182728 ) writes:
I see name calling, but no rational argument. Grow up.
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