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from the cease-and-desist dept.
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: Temu has said it will stop selling goods imported from China in the US directly to customers from its platform. The online marketplace said sales would now be handled by "locally based sellers," with orders fulfilled from within the country. The move comes as a duty-free rule for low-value packages is closed.
Temu, and rival Chinese retail giant Shein, had previously relied on the so-called "de minimis" exemption to sell and ship low-value items directly to the US without having to pay duties or import taxes. Temu said it had been actively recruiting US firms to join the platform. "All sales in the US are now handled by locally based sellers, with orders fulfilled from within the country. "The move is designed to help local merchants reach more customers and grow their businesses," it added.
Supporters of the de minimis loophole, which applied to parcels worth less than $800, argue it helped streamline the customs process. But both Trump and his predecessor, Joe Biden, said it damaged American businesses and was used to smuggle illegal goods, including drugs. In February, Trump briefly closed the loophole but the suspension was quickly paused as delivery services and customs agencies struggled to adjust. During the pause, the U.S. Postal Service even stopped accepting parcels from mainland China and Hong Kong.
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byAnonymous Coward writes:
No use complaining about what you voted for.
bywill4 ( 7250692 ) writes:
Temu was able to ship small packages with value under $800 to the USA cheaper than it was to send the same package from a US address to the address next door because of the UPU treaty giving below market shipping rates to China.
The president wanted the USPS to not lose money on packages delivery from ones inbound from China and in the prior presidential term, from Amazon.
The aim was to not have the USPS subsidize larger shippers for the most expensive remote places to deliver to.
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byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
So you have made it more expensive to do both. Golf clap for you.
byNoMoreACs ( 6161580 ) writes:
So you have made it more expensive to do both. Golf clap for you.
Indeed!
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
So you have made it more expensive to do both. Golf clap for you.
Some of us might be horribly punished by the Trump administration's policy of purposeful inflation, but that's a sacrifice he is willing to make.
byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
So now it gets sent across the Pacific to somewhere in the US, marked up, and then separately sent to where it's wanted. Good job!
byMoryath ( 553296 ) writes:
Given that the parties differ to a high degree on most issues, screaming "uniparty" is just a gaslighting tactic from conservatives.
byMoryath ( 553296 ) writes:
"Neoliberal capitalism" - or without fudgey-obfuscation words, that's just American Conservatism.
bycoopertempleclause ( 7262286 ) writes:
All the Trumpers are suddenly discovering their eco-creds with this one... "We don't need that cheap Chinese garbage, it only ends up in the landfill".
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byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
You know dude, part of the "mend it don't end it" shtick one usually finds on the left...that does speak to me. I grew up in a poor country. We fixed things. We didn't stay there and we didn't stay poor but the "know how to fix your shit in case of emergency" got deep into my brain early on and the living off of disposable Chinese trash does bother me and always has.
I don't like having to junk a perfectly good coffee maker or children's toy or whatever because one made-in-china plastic piece cracks to pieces and the fly-by-night manufacturer doesn't exist anymore and wouldn't make spares available even if they did.
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bytlhIngan ( 30335 ) writes:
You know dude, part of the "mend it don't end it" shtick one usually finds on the left...that does speak to me. I grew up in a poor country. We fixed things. We didn't stay there and we didn't stay poor but the "know how to fix your shit in case of emergency" got deep into my brain early on and the living off of disposable Chinese trash does bother me and always has.
I don't like having to junk a perfectly good coffee maker or children's toy or whatever because one made-in-china plastic piece cracks to pieces and the fly-by-night manufacturer doesn't exist anymore and wouldn't make spares available even if they did.
Repair is an option only if your time is worthless.
You hate throwing away a coffeemaker? You can fix it, or you can buy a new one for $50. Depending on your financial situation, $50 might not be worth fixing - by the time you get it all said and done you'd probably have spent $200 in time and effort. And certainly hiring someone to fix it is not an option - when a technician costs $75/hr+ with a 2 hour minimum.
That's why it ends up in landfill - it's Beyond Economical Repair. It's a problem with old cars as well - you have a junker that now needs $3000 worth of parts, but it's only worth $500.
In poorer countries, sure, they can repair stuff because you're not paying first world wages - where spending 2 hours of time probably costs $10 at most to fix.
Now, if you were to buy a $2000 coffeemaker, it makes sense to fix it. But how many people would buy a repairable $2000 coffeemaker over a $50 one that will break in a couple of years.
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byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
Okay I did have a $50 coffee maker that lasted me nearly 15 years.
At about the 10 year mark a solder joint broke and the heating coil stopped working. Took me all of fifteen minutes to fix it.
Then at the end it started leaking and the problem was a cracked plastic pipe. No way to fix it without breaking it more. But the kicker is that that plastic pipe didn't need to be there. It could have been a length or the same rubber tube present elsewhere in the coffee maker and used for the same hot water.
I ended up replacing it with a $200 coffee maker. And it still annoys me that a one dollar part made me replace a perfectly usable appliance.
As for your car example...if the junker can be fixed up for 3k but a newer replacement that isn't broken costs more than 3k, then you fix it. The blue book value of the car is only relevant if you're doing fleet management, not if you're making financial decisions at the scale of yourself.
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byPleaseThink ( 8207110 ) writes:
I agree that in reality most people ignore the blue book value. That only matters for good cars that still have lots of life left in them. Aka, assholes and richer people trading their cars in for the social status of the latest model.
But it's not a $3000 repair vs $10000 for a used car. It's $3000 now vs $200 a month and your bank account only has 1k.
bydgatwood ( 11270 ) writes:
But the kicker is that that plastic pipe didn't need to be there. It could have been a length or the same rubber tube present elsewhere in the coffee maker and used for the same hot water.
I ended up replacing it with a $200 coffee maker. And it still annoys me that a one dollar part made me replace a perfectly usable appliance.
You don't own a 3D printer? Turn in your geek card. :-D
But seriously, yeah, broken plastic does tend to be the most common cause of things getting thrown away these days, and it usually isn't worth the time to 3D print a replacement part unless it is something pretty simple. Then again, if there are enough of them, you might get lucky and find that somebody already modeled it. :-)
byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
Food-grade 3d printer plastics exist?
byjonbryce ( 703250 ) writes:
Remember that your $200 coffee maker, and you, both need to last 60 years for it to be better value that your $50 coffee maker.
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byN1AK ( 864906 ) writes:
Assuming that the $200 machine doesn't offer any improvement in terms of capability or quality... I'd also suggest that it's a dubious assumption that because one coffee machine lasted 15 years that is the likely lifetime of a replacment that you should be comparing against.
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
Repair is an option only if your time is worthless.
Repair is only worthless if you value the acquisition of money above all else.
You hate throwing away a coffeemaker?
Yes.
You can fix it, or you can buy a new one for $50.
Yes.
by the time you get it all said and done you'd probably have spent $200 in time and effort.
I don't bill the universe by the hour. If I take some leisure time to fix it, like a normal person, I would not have some magical way of making that $200 by using that time differently. And then I
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
There is nothing else you would rather do with that time than fix a coffeemaker? Jesus...
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
There is nothing else you would rather do with that time than fix a coffeemaker? Jesus...
I know what you mean - but - I spend a fair amount of time restoring old radios. Zen-like experience to bring an old decrepit bit of electronics back to life. The rush of electrons, the smell of tube technology.
I grew up poor, and was always curious about things, so I did repair a lot of stuff, because when you are poor, you repair or go without until you save up for that new one of whatever broke. So even now, when I don't need to budget, if the coffeemaker breaks, Ima pull it apart to look at it. And if I can repair it, I do.
I know that in modern times, the paradigm is to whip out that credit card, go a little more in debt, and make low easy payments for the rest of your life, but homie don't play that.
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byPascoea ( 968200 ) writes:
I enjoy fixing shit. So no, I don't mind spending an hour or two of my time rehabbing your hypothetical coffee pot. Same reason I change my own oil: In my mind, it's stupid to pay someone else to do something that I don't mind doing, especially when I can do it for 1/3 of the price and know that it's done right.
byThumpBzztZoom ( 6976422 ) writes:
Repair is an option only if your time is worthless
There are not that many parts in a coffee maker, someone who knows how to use the appropriate tools would generally take about 15 minutes of actual work to repair one. Spending 15 minutes to save $50 is definitely worth it since there aren't a lot of $200/hour extremely short term jobs available to compensate.
Your opinion is worthless if you don't know how things work or how to repair them.
byCanberra1 ( 3475749 ) writes:
Wrong.
There is great satisfaction in repairing something designed to break or degrade. Better when people like Louis Rossmann fight for right to repair. Better when word gets out how to repair JD tractors when there are no right now options. Take your coffee maker. After 6 months you should strip it and clean out the lines. (may have fungus in the lines). Lots of consumer products have dirty secrets, and secret 3 finger reboot modes. If you want to get started, practice on some kerbside trash. It is funn
bykackle ( 910159 ) writes:
And you hit it on the head: THAT'S the problem with consumerism today. The ONLY consideration is on the price tag, so naturally it has become a "replace versus repair" proposition, for decades now. So, to heck with the environment, plastics in our blood and the death of species... "How cheap?" should not be the only consideration when it costs, all of us,
to make and dispose of our stuff. [youtu.be]
If I were king, I'd gather the smartest of the kingdom and figure out how to handle the "entire" cost/impact of a
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
Unless the government steps in and demands repairability no business is going to build a repairable device. Nor are they going to make clothing that's fixable.
Also if you're going to wear the kind of ratty clothes that have been mended while being cheap then you are going to take a social penalty for that. Speaking is a nerd who grew up poor in America and often wore ill-fitting clothes because I grew too fast for buying school clothes once a year you get the shit kicked out of you and bullied. It's why
byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
Unless the government steps in and demands repairability no business is going to build a repairable device. Nor are they going to make clothing that's fixable.
Automobiles and even lawnmowers are mostly repairable. The market demands it so it happens. You can even buy re-treaded tires.
Clothing can be very repairable depending on what you're talking about. Shoes used to be quite fixable too. If the factories were still here, I imagine the availability of spare soles, liners, and the like would be enough that shoe repair could still be a viable business.
Also if you're going to wear the kind of ratty clothes that have been mended while being cheap then you are going to take a social penalty for that. Speaking is a nerd who grew up poor in America and often wore ill-fitting clothes because I grew too fast for buying school clothes once a year you get the shit kicked out of you and bullied. It's why I made it a point to buy a lot of clothes for my kid.
I got picked on as the poor immigrant kid. For a little while. Right until the point I figured out that inflicting
byAnonymous Coward writes:
You are a right wing extremist. You need to understand a little bit about American politics. Not much just a little.
So Trump doesn't have enough votes in our lower chamber, the US House of Representatives, to cram through The 5 trillion dollars in tax cuts for billionaires he wants. There's a handful of Republican politicians that run on the deficit and they would lose their primary elections if they added 5 trillion to the national debt for anything let alone for tax cuts for billionaires.
So Trump is doing
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
And using a bot to repost them with slight changes made by that box and what I assume is a crummy bargain basement llm.
It's mod bait. The goal is to make it so that their posts either get modded down or modded up because this website has finite and limited mod points.
It is a tremendous amount of effort to put into my dumb little comments on this dying little website. And I can't help but wonder why. Is it an obsessive hobbyist or are we the target of professionals because this website used to be muc
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
Because I've been stuck renting for a long time but when it comes to automobiles they are repairable because we have laws about it. Those laws have been on the books for close to 100 years so you just don't think about them but they're there for a reason.
This is a common mistake people make. There's a problem and Private industry refuses to solve it. We pass a law forcing them to solve it.
The problem goes away because we passed the law. And that everyone says we don't need to worry because the Priv
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
Also if you're going to wear the kind of ratty clothes that have been mended while being cheap then you are going to take a social penalty for that.
This says more about the socioeconomic background of where you went to school than being a universal truth of how your peers will see ratty, worn-out clothes.
Also, kids have a knack for picking up that you're poor and that you're ashamed about it. On the flipside, some kids who come from low income backgrounds absolutely own that shit to the point they make it seem "cool". Others, you can tell they're on their last frayed nerve about that pair of hand-me-down pants they're wearing and bullies are quick to
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
That's socioeconomic ladder that wearing ratty clothes gets you fucked with but not so high up that I didn't have to wear a ratty clothes. I want to say that's not all that common but we destroyed the middle class gradually so you'd be surprised.
And no there are no kids who think frayed hand me downs are cool. You can fake them and that's cool, you can wear baggy jeans that are meant to look baggy and that is cool. But everybody knows the difference between the fake ones you buy at the store for a premi
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
Of course there's some exceptions when you're talking products that don't even last their warranty period, but the general idea behind "cheap Chinese shit" is that it allows people of lower incomes to have a somewhat higher standard of living. If your only option was a $200 coffee maker, you'd probably just stick with instant coffee. Or maybe just brew it on the stove manually, I suppose.
A great example of this shift was in the first Back to the Future film, where Marty mentions having two televisions, wh
byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
The other line from that film was 80s Marty telling 50s Doc that "all the best stuff is made in Japan."
Japan in the 80s wasn't some slave labor backwater. And yet somehow they kept their manufacturing base and managed to be rich at the same time. Clearly it's possible.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
And yet somehow they kept their manufacturing base and managed to be rich at the same time. Clearly it's possible.
The key difference between Japan and the USA is right there in what you've just written: They've largely kept their manufacturing base. Here though, the factories have long since been shuttered, bulldozed and replaced with empty fields or mixed-used retail properties.
There's an expression that "you can't close the barn door after the horse has escaped." Now we've got the Trump administration going "Just close the damn door, we'll figure out the missing horse thing... eventually."
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byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
Factories get built in America all the time. Usually for things like cars and furniture where transportation costs over the ocean are not negligible.
It would stand to reason that erecting some trade barriers would change the calculus on some of the "cheap shit" too.
byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
US manufacturing output is at or near all time highs.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/se... [stlouisfed.org]
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byPleaseThink ( 8207110 ) writes:
The idea behind cheap Chinese shit is that it's all cheap Chinese shit. I shop on AliExpress. I see so many of the same products advertised on Amazon, Etsy, and specialty websites at significant markups. It's the exact same product. Advertised as higher quality with far better looking ads, better product photos, and better warranty claims than other items. When you lie about your product and it's cheaper, of course more people buy it. Unless you've done a ton of product and industry research, you can'
byN1AK ( 864906 ) writes:
I agree with almost everything you say although I see it as having some benefit and a direct downside and I really struggle to decide on balance which is more important.
Downside: Aside from cheap shit these sorts of retailers also stock a huge variety of niche bits that help avoid throwing things away. I've bought things from AliExpress a couple of times because I had something I could fix but the parts I need couldn't be sourced from the manufacturer anymore and weren't available in normal retail. If th
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
is that it allows people of lower incomes to have a somewhat higher standard of living. If your only option was a $200 coffee maker, you'd probably just stick with instant coffee. Or maybe just brew it on the stove manually, I suppose.
Or buy a filter for under £4 and a box of filter papers. It's like the fancy hipster things for making pour over, except cheap and called a filter. Or what Americans call a French Press for under a tenner. There's about a billion cheap ways of making coffee for und
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
Same argument with wind turbines. They didn’t give one fuck about pollution previously but now turbine blades in landfills are a disaster.
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bylarryjoe ( 135075 ) writes:
And all the leftists have given up their eco-creds, they're all suddenly interested in trade and profits. I wish they cared about those things during the pandemic, the economy would be much stronger now.
This statement makes as much sense as saying that right-wing extremists only cared about profits and not at all about the 1.2 million dead Americans who died due to COVID-19. Such binary zero sum views are simplistic and false. In reality, most Americans across the entire political spectrum cared about protecting people from death, about people's livelihoods, and many others things, all at the same time.
byMoryath ( 553296 ) writes:
Guessing mostly what you're complaining about is the drop in the stock market (which has been largely erased)
100% false. Why is it you shitbrain conservatives do nothing but lie your stupid fucking asses off?
[nytimes.com]
because the effects of his policies haven't been in place long enough to affect the economy
Shipping to the USA has dried up and shelves are emptying. [newsweek.com] The main job of a President is to Not Fuck Up The Economy, but Putin-Dicklicker Trump is sabotaging the USA instead.
other than maybe DOGE hea
bycaseih ( 160668 ) writes:
When the other guy talks about raising taxes, there's a hue and cry from the republicans. When Trump raises taxes higher than they've been in years, everyone cheers. Even the S&P 500 is doing great now. Life is good!
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byTony Isaac ( 1301187 ) writes:
But wait, I thought people in *other* countries paid tariffs!
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bybill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * writes:
Well, yeah, almost every country has a significant tariff regime, so that's a true statement.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
Is economic entanglement with China good or bad, given several decades of hindsight?
It's been a net positive in that more people can afford various goods that otherwise would've been out of their income bracket. Granted, having a dependency on China presents problems when things go wrong with the supply chain, or a change in direction of the political winds.
Is having to compete with slave labor good or bad for the American worker?
Is it work that pays a decent wage and is something Americans actually want to do? It's like there was a big stink in Florida awhile back about migrant workers who were here legally, and sure enough, the right-wing peanut gallery chim
byTony Isaac ( 1301187 ) writes:
Yes, "entanglement" with China, and every other country, is a good thing for humanity. Trade is not a one-way street. Every transaction has goods or services going one way, and money going the other. Both parties benefit. Entanglement is a powerful force that keeps countries from going to war with each other.
Your philosophy seems to be "USA good, China bad." Well I've got news for you...the USA isn't so "good" either, and China has a good side. Sure, they are different cultures and different thought pattern
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Yes, "entanglement" with China, and every other country, is a good thing for humanity. Trade is not a one-way street. Every transaction has goods or services going one way, and money going the other. Both parties benefit. Entanglement is a powerful force that keeps countries from going to war with each other.
It does. That is why, for example, the EU and EEC is such a great success. (Compared to the state before, that is.) Yes, some countries do not have the maturity for it and trying to get Russia into this as well was a mistake that Europe made. But overall, the only known way to stability and peace is trade.
byediron2 ( 246908 ) writes:
More like âif Trump says the sky is hot pink, weâ(TM)re still gonâ(TM) say heâ(TM)s full of shitâ(TM). Truth, science, the constitution⦠easy counterpoint to whatever mad daft crap pours out of this regime.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Everything is always three layers of bullshit deep so you gotta have your thinking hat on.
It really is not. People struggle to understand the most simple things, and conservatives are the least mentally capable overall. Hence they are easily manipulated and believe the most stupid crap. We really need a classification as "stupid-evil" for these people. I have stopped thinking that being stupid absolves you of responsibility for the crap you do.
byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
If China didn't take them automation would. Trump's own commerce Secretary admitted on Fox news that even if the factories come back the jobs won't. They'll be automated.
Said by everyone whose never seen a factory or a machine shop in their entire lives. Even automated industry requires a non-negligible amount of touch labor. Your fucking smartphone is still assembled *by hand* in China. If it were done here maybe some of it would be automated to offset the cost but a lot of it wouldn't be.
The problem we have here is that we have these massive increases in productivity and it's all going to the top. You're working harder and you're producing more but you're not getting the fruits of your labor anymore.
And yet the median household income has been growing slightly faster than inflation for a good long while.
The link between worker productivity and workers wages died in the 70s and '80s w
byN1AK ( 864906 ) writes:
Said by everyone whose never seen a factory or a machine shop in their entire lives. Even automated industry requires a non-negligible amount of touch labor. Your fucking smartphone is still assembled *by hand* in China. If it were done here maybe some of it would be automated to offset the cost but a lot of it wouldn't be.
Using smartphones as an example, I think the labour involved per iPhone is something like 10-15 hours. You're absolutely right that it couldn't all be automated, but I am confident (as so
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Indeed. I mean they automate a lot of things in fucking China where manual labor is cheap! If it pays to automate there, what do you think will happen in the US?
The fact of the matter is that manual labor is dying. There will be some specialist stuff left, at higher prices, but overall it is becoming less and less of a factor. This also means that more and more people become unsuitable for any job at all. And that is a social problem and needs to be addressed on that level. An UBI is needed, but will in no
byMoryath ( 553296 ) writes:
... and that a lack of melanin in one's skin is a moral defect. Literally nobody has ever said that - but then again since you're a gaslighting Crossburning Klan Shitbag, YOU are a moral defect who ought to be shot dead to make the world a better face. Fucking Terrorist Klan Crapboy.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Indeed. Like Amazon warehouses, for example, where one minimal-wage worker supervises 10 robots and suddenly they need 10% of the people for the same job. But the person you responded to cannot do basic math and certainly cannot see the bigger picture.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
The left wing meanwhile has no fucking clue what to do they keep glomping on to a childish fantasy of 18 to 24-year-olds saving us by suddenly becoming hyper political active and somehow retaining the progressive ideals they tell pollsters despite the hundreds of billions of dollars of right-wing propaganda thrown at them.
That's because there is no actual "left" in this country. There's just corporate Democrats who are too scared the money faucet will get turned off if they publicly humiliate the sponsor [getyarn.io], and an electorate that believes anyone even remotely left of Joe Biden is going to take half their paycheck in taxes.
That being said, there are a handful of leftists who rather foolishly actually do open their mouth every once in awhile (such as Bernie Sanders) and prove that there's a kernel of truth to the right-wing tal
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
That's because there is no actual "left" in this country. There's just corporate Democrats who are too scared the money faucet will get turned off if they publicly humiliate the sponsor [getyarn.io], and an electorate that believes anyone even remotely left of Joe Biden is going to take half their paycheck in taxes.
That being said, there are a handful of leftists who rather foolishly actually do open their mouth every once in awhile (such as Bernie Sanders) and prove that there's a kernel of truth to the right-wing talking points about the direction they'd take the country in, if given the opportunity. Like when he straight up admitted most people would pay more in taxes, but in exchange you'd get healthcare managed by the same people who still can't decide whether or not we should keep daylight saving time.
While that is an interesting story, and mostly correct, the Democrats pandered to and dared not defy some of those far leftists who don't get enough credit for the recent general election results. I mean, we do believe in science and biology, right?
But a man is a woman if (insert proper pronoun here) says (insert proper pronoun here) they are, women are biologically identical to men, and that non-birthing person should play on birthing people's sports teams if they identify as a woman. Ask Democrat Re
byMoryath ( 553296 ) writes:
If you're too fucking retarded to understand that humanity - including gender expression and sexuality - is a spectrum and not a binary, please tell your parents they're trash for pissing in our gene pool.
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
If you're too fucking retarded to understand that humanity - including gender expression and sexuality - is a spectrum and not a binary, please tell your parents they're trash for pissing in our gene pool.
Where do men insert the tampon?
I am happy to piss you off. Your idea that I am some sort of troglodyte male is an assumption on your part. I support gay marriage, I support whatever two our more human adults want to have sex with, and what they do to each other, and if you wish to dress as a woman and pretend you are a woman or vice versa, Go for it, homie. All the surgery and chemical intervention does not change that fact.
However, no matter how you wrap it up, you are the sex you are born as, and D
byMoryath ( 553296 ) writes:
I see you're still an inbred fucking retard stuck in binary thinking.
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
I see you're still an inbred fucking retard stuck in binary thinking.
And you are so subnormal you are incapable of typing without adding stupid overused insults, and "Fuck" is your display of the height of your intellect. .
I love interacting with people like you - proving your lack of worth with every post. Any more of the old insults that mean nothing any more? Double down homie, maybe your insightful and well thought out posts will bee used by the Republican Party to show that Democrats have lost their last brain cell - Keep posting, I'll save them telling people what
byskam240 ( 789197 ) writes:
The party is controlled by biology denying misandrysts, who are enacting a left wing version of what Newt Gingrich did to the Republican party - conform or be cast out.
None of that is terribly meaningful in the context of our country's overall health. That's just right wing scapegoating of minorities to distract from the fact they have no real solutions to any of our country's problems. It's a practice used all over the world by them.
If it wasn't trans people conservatives were telling us we should all be scared of it would be some other minority group because there's always someone we should be scared of.
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byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
The party is controlled by biology denying misandrysts, who are enacting a left wing version of what Newt Gingrich did to the Republican party - conform or be cast out.
None of that is terribly meaningful in the context of our country's overall health. That's just right wing scapegoating of minorities to distract from the fact they have no real solutions to any of our country's problems. It's a practice used all over the world by them.
If it wasn't trans people conservatives were telling us we should all be scared of it would be some other minority group because there's always someone we should be scared of.
Don't for a minute think I even support Republicans, they have insanity the Democrats haven't achieved yet.
No homie - and understand that while I should be a role model for Democrats -as I support abortions for any reason, support gays and their right to marry, and believe that women should be able to do any work they wish and are capable of doing. And if an adult wants to cut his dick off, and dress like a parody of a woman, then I say amputate it and then be happy. Not my problem, do as you will.
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byskam240 ( 789197 ) writes:
You wrote multiple paragraphs about Democrats and trans stuff but you don't care about the issue at all and now it's some super nebulous "they're not supporting the middle class" (whatever that's supposed to mean) that's keeping Democrats from winning elections? Pick a lane.
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
You wrote multiple paragraphs about Democrats and trans stuff but you don't care about the issue at all and now it's some super nebulous "they're not supporting the middle class" (whatever that's supposed to mean) that's keeping Democrats from winning elections? Pick a lane.
Why did you put "They're not supporting the middle class" in quotes? Top refresh your memory, what I wrote was:
"When you publicly abandon the working class - once a mainstay of the Democrats - is a pretty bad move."
And they did, when their candidate told the head of the Teamsters She'd win with or without them https://www.newsweek.com/teams... [newsweek.com]. That is a verifiable fact.
The idea of picking a lane is not but another demand for blind obedience.
It is perfectly possible to support trans and gay right
byskam240 ( 789197 ) writes:
Like when he straight up admitted most people would pay more in taxes, but in exchange you'd get healthcare managed by the same people who still can't decide whether or not we should keep daylight saving time.
Given both the financial and moral superiority of every socialist system in any country of comparative wealth it should be clear as day that this is completely viable in our own country.
The real problem is our right wings ability to demonize things they don't like. Anything government gets branded as evil to the point that the debate around some superfluous issue like daylight savings is "evidence" that we can't have nice things despite the entire rest of the first world showing us that it's completely poss
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Other countries focus on moving forward and solving real problems instead of undoing all solutions of the previous administration.
Indeed. The US is basically in a kind of understated civil war now, where more gets destroyed than built. That cannot end well. Society is build on cooperation. If that ends, that society ends as well shortly after.
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
Other countries focus on moving forward and solving real problems instead of undoing all solutions of the previous administration.
Indeed. The US is basically in a kind of understated civil war now, where more gets destroyed than built. That cannot end well. Society is build on cooperation. If that ends, that society ends as well shortly after.
Considering what people believe about us, they should be cheering, and waiting to embrace a new world leader, from any other country, because as serviscope minor says, "Other countries focus on moving forward and solving real problems instead of undoing all solutions of the previous administration."
Just imagine - the world stands on the cusp of its main problem being eliminated, to be followed by a new world order of justice and perfection. The world will finally be at peace
I don't know whether to c
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
The problem with America and you Americans is: you only have left and right.
That is a pretty difficult way of steering a ship forward.
Other countries focus on moving forward and solving real problems instead of undoing all solutions of the previous administration.
Oh please - the rest of the world is always at peace, coexisting in perfect harmony. Give a bit of thought before you post Russian propaganda, tovarisch.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Indeed. Propaganda has replaced actually doing good. The rich get richer (and even complete morons like Musk or Trump can do it, if they just get lucky and have a lot of seed money), everybody else lives in fear and suffers. At the same time, the religious delulus get stronger and almost nobody can fact-check the most simple things anymore. I mean people seem to really believe that tariffs ultimately get paid by the seller! I cannot even imagine how mentally dysfunctional I would have to be to believe utter
byDragonslicer ( 991472 ) writes:
I mean people seem to really believe that tariffs ultimately get paid by the seller!
They all known and argue that any increase in costs, whether it's from taxes or from regulations, gets passed on to the consumer. Except tariffs, apparently.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Well, how mentally dysfunctional do you have to be to not see that blatantly obvious connection?
bysimlox ( 6576120 ) writes:
You need to make the top pay more tax and give it to the (no longer) workers. If you don't, there will be no customers to all the automaticly produced crap, and everyone will be poor.
bymisexistentialist ( 1537887 ) writes:
And then...Trump eliminates the income tax. Can't wait to hear the socialists educate about how taxes can only be waived for Harvard, not for construction or factory workers.
byndsurvivor ( 891239 ) writes:
Tariff taxes are regressive. Income taxes can be progressive. If you want to give all the money to rich people, eliminate income taxes, eliminate wealth taxes, eliminate the "death" taxes, and raise all of the money with tariffs.
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by93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) writes:
And then...Trump eliminates the income tax.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
On second thought... do.
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byPPH ( 736903 ) writes:
When Trump raises taxes higher than they've been in years, everyone cheers.
Except for the liberals [theguardian.com]. They're crying about how they are "wreaking chaos" on business, families and the economy. It's nice to finally see the left go anti-tax.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
It's nice to finally see the left go anti-tax.
Generally, the left is in favor of progressive taxation (the more benefits you derive from society, the greater implied obligation you have to pay some of it forward back into society), which tariffs are not. Most of us on the left, or left-leaning abhor the idea of raising taxes on people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck.
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byPPH ( 736903 ) writes:
Most of what poor people depend upon is produced locally. Like food and other staple goods. The pricey junk that rich people buy, like big screen TV sets and iJunk is what the tarrifs will be hitting the hardest.
byYetanotherUID ( 4004939 ) writes:
So what you are saying is that Walmart, where 80% of the merchandise is made in China, is akin to a swanky Rodeo Drive boutique in its clientele? Got it.
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bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Nothing funny. People in general are fucking dumb (right-wingers even more so) and do not understand the most basic things.
byDragonslicer ( 991472 ) writes:
The stock market is only doing great relative to the crash that the tariff threats caused a month ago. Compared to the beginning of the year, it's still down something like 7-8%.
bydrew_92123 ( 213321 ) writes:
If Wish and and Facebook Marketplace had an illegitimate love child, Temu would be it.
byndsurvivor ( 891239 ) writes:
I honestly did not even knew Temu even existed. I wish I had tested it out. Amazon was convenient and "cheap" enough for me so I never checked elsewhere. I guess a lot of people got cheap clothes there? I buy some cool clothes at a thrift store close to work every month.
byMspangler ( 770054 ) writes:
"I honestly did not even knew Temu even existed. I wish I had tested it out."
Be glad you missed it. A casino rips you off less.
Shein is another extra-low quality operation. It fills up landfills with polyester.
If the tariffs kill fast fashion the world will be better off.
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bywar4peace ( 1628283 ) writes:
You are full of shit.
https://news.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Why do you wish you tested it out? You can replicate the Temu experience by buying something, using it for 1 week and then hitting it with a hammer. Your race to the bottom in terms of cheapness is deplorable. Have a bit more self respect than wasting money on the lowest tier garbage that the world produces.
I'm not one of those "bring back American manufacturing" types, but society would be much better off if Temu, Shein, and Wish didn't exist, and if we banned all overseas sellers from Amazon and demanded
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
Want to replicate Temu? Just buy a run of the mill Samsung phone charger, use it for an hour, and then set your house on fire.
Genuinely laughed at this, thank you!
bywar4peace ( 1628283 ) writes:
Non-American here.
I make between 3 and 5 orders from temu per month, various items, both for my and my wife, as well as stuff that my friends ask me to get for them. Yes, they could order themselves, but they generally need one-off things, so it's easier to poll orders.
With over 200 completed orders to date, I do have some expertise into all aspects of Temu. Some key takeaways (this is for EU, mind you):
1. The website and app are awesome. They work very well, are very responsive and their algorithms are tuned to my shopping preferences. I found zero bugs so far.
2. Once you made an order, you have an 8 hour window to add products to the same order in case you find something else you need.
3. Free shipping for all orders above roughly $18.
4. A huge variety of products. We bought clothes, shoes, decorations, artificial flowers, LED strips, various accessories, RC cars, "Lego"-like kits, various paraphernalia for gifts and whatnot. The only category we stayed away from was jewelry - Temu has a problem with stuff presented as ".925 silver" when they are clearly not.
5. Fast shipping; most parcels come within 6 to 10 days, and Temu offers you a fixed sum (equivalent to a bit over $5) as credit if the parcel delivery time exceeds the promised window. This only happened 5 or 6 times out of over 200 orders, and they automatically credited my account, I didn't have to do anything. Most of these occurrences were due to my local Public Holidays, it wasn't even their fault, but at their economy of scale it's nothing. About half of those orders arrive in "lockers" (you get a notification with a QR code, go to the nearby locker which is a 10 minute walk away, scan the code, a door opens and you pull out the parcel). the other half arrive at my door via a delivery driver using a local delivery company, and unlike the USA, they are obliged to call me when they arrive and give me the parcel, in person. No stupid shit like throwing it over the fence or leaving it in the street. If I am not home (happens very rarely), I can tell them to contact a neighbor of choice. Each delivery is has a PIN code associated, which I have to provide - thus eliminating any delivery-guy-related shenanigans.
6. Excellent gamification tactics, which are actually meaningful. You might think they are shady, but I can actually save quite a bit that way. They actually reward people who consistently buy from them. I got numerous items at deep discounts, for exemple a $35 item which I was offered to me at 68% off if I bought $30 worth of other products from them. They also have specials every few months where I was able to order items and get 100% money back as coupons (last time it was $45 bucks). There was a catch, though, you had to open their app each day for 7 days in a row and claim a bit of that each time. I did that, they kept their promise and I had $45 credit to buy what I pleased.
7. The vast majority of their products were problem-free, therefore I will focus on what had issues. I clearly remember a CNC-cut pencil holder which you were supposed to assemble, and the sides were cut wrong. It was roughly $3.50. I took a couple pictures, sent them through their dispute form, got my money back as credit in a few hours, no questions asked. Then there was a metal sign that came slightly bent, but that was an easy fix. And a bath robe that was slightly too small for me. That's all. And I am talking about 1500+ items so far.
8. Prices are so low, even 100% tariffs wouldn't sway me away from buying most of those products.
Any questions, I am here to provide details. Frankly, Temu was a Godsend for me and my friends.
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byPleaseThink ( 8207110 ) writes:
They actually reward people who consistently buy from them. I got numerous items at deep discounts, for exemple a $35 item which I was offered to me at 68% off if I bought $30 worth of other products from them
Wow. The fact that you believe that, just wow. You do realize, assuming the original price was real, that the profit they make off the other items makes up for the discount? Though more likely that original price was an inflated MRP and the product is never actually sold at that higher price for any meaningful amount of time too.
My mom wears clothing that is over a generation old. I have a suit that went from my Granddad to my dad to me. Their cost is effectively free. Your bathrobe isn't even going t
bywar4peace ( 1628283 ) writes:
Not sure whether your hostility is innate or acquired, but whatever. it shows, and not in a good way.
Wow. The fact that you believe that, just wow. You do realize, assuming the original price was real, that the profit they make off the other items makes up for the discount?
Yes and no.
Yes, because they indeed make a profit overall, across all their products.
No, because they offer deep discounts to certain customers, those which go above a certain purchase threshold (be it monthly, yearly or lifetime). Therefore, product X that I buy, using my own account, might have a discount that sends the price even below the production price. This is a common reward method in the Far East.
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byhwstar ( 35834 ) writes:
Question: Goods sourced from local sellers? How would that be competitive with everyone else based in the United States?
The only way I can see this working is if they import in bulk in huge quantities to get economy of scale, break down the palettes or shipping containers and then distribute to individual customers in the US. Even this would be labor intensive. If they try this, they probably will do in in a southern state where the there are no state minimum wage laws. They could pay as little as the federal minimum wage of $7.25 for these warehouse jobs. (If they can find workers willing to work for such a pittance.)
I suppose they could also bulk ship to Mexico, but that runs the risk of Mexico getting hit with higher tariff rates and maybe also face the elimination of de-minimis for them.
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bystabiesoft ( 733417 ) writes:
I suspect the idea is to reduce customs processing fees. I think I saw where it now costs 33 dollars minimum to process anything thru customs. I think that is in addition to the tariff. So if you bring in a large shipment, you pay I think a max of 640 for the entire shipment, plus tariff. Cheaper.
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byCanberra1 ( 3475749 ) writes:
Australia just gets all these junkshippers to add 10% to your order, and it arrives in the mail as it normally would. USA could do the same. I think our import limit is about 300USD. 800usd is over the top.Germany, I think has not import duty on spare parts for actual repairs.
byguygo ( 894298 ) writes:
is not better than imported junk. they're both still junk.
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
Bingo. The cheapest trinkets made in the USA will be the same quality as the cheapest from China. You think the people in these new factories are going to get paid a wage to support a family in 2025?
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byRightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) writes:
How do they earn their income now? Bank of Mom and Dad? Government checks? Flipping burgers and stocking shelves? I head those pay great.
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
The cheapest trinkets made in the USA will be the same quality as the cheapest from China.
Kinda, but also kinda not. The cheapest trinkets in China aren't subject to any of the safety regs. They are supposed to be on import but we all know how well that works. With either made in USA, or making local sellers actually accountable for the goods they sell rather than merely creaming off profit, you'd expect to see fewer wildly unsafe goods.
Just look at some of the teardown videos of phone chargers.
You think t
byFreischutz ( 4776131 ) writes:
I don't think this will do very much to save American businesses, largely because of the nature of many of those businesses as high markup resellers of cheap Chinese goods. In my country there is no de-minmis rule on packages and never has been. You pay tolls and sales tax on everything no matter how small and cheap the shipment and yet Ali Express, Temu, Shein and others such Chinese shops are still cheaper than the local shops for reasons that should be obvious to everyone. However, for those to whom it is not obvious, lets cite an example. I just bought a dust-buster from Temu (along with a bunch of other stuff). Shipped over here after all tolls and taxes were paid that dust-buster cost me $31. The same item is for sale at a local shop for $69. All that shop does is buy the things from Ali Express where they get a bulk discount meaning that their price is maybe $27 per dust-buster with local taxes and tolls over here included (because bulk). Then they mark it up by by 60%, sell it to gullible people over here and pocket the difference. This is what everybody does from Walmart and Target to all kinds of luxury brands, they buy whatever it is for a pittance in China and then mark it up by 50%, 75%, 100%, 200%, 300% or more. Some of the time I can't be bothered to order this stuff from China but much of the time I do and the saving are substantial even with no de-minimis. As for 'Luxury brands' most of the time you are literally paying $500 for the logo on a $25 handbag (for example) and having seen a bunch of those handbags they are literally faux leather glued plastic melted/welded or occasionally badly sewn together. For that price I'd expect, at minimum, a genuine hand sewn leather handbag in which case I'd be better off going to a craft shop on Etsy to buy a truly hand made item (a carefully selected shop, because Etsy is also full of high markup resellers of cheap Chinese goods too these days). This is not to say that everything on Ali Express, Temu, Shein is cheap crap. Some of it is, a lot of it is actually quite good quality, like my dust-buster for example.
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byTJHook3r ( 4699685 ) writes:
Did Trump really want a load of shopkeepers that weren't required two months ago? Essentially a new class of dropshippers to add costs to transactions
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