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The result of the move request was: page moved (non-admin closure). sami talk 23:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
Genocide of Christians by ISIL → Persecution of Christians by ISIL – Unfortunately, the article has become to describe "what could have happened" instead of actual overview of the events. Indeed ISIL showed actual religious persecution and genocidal intentions towards Christian population in the Middle East and North Africa, but there were no actual massive casualties, but rather massive expulsions and to some degree intimidation and persecution. In my opinion "persecution" is the best descriptor of what actions of ISIL towards Christian populations (perhaps "genocidal persecution", but still not "genocide" per definition).GreyShark (dibra) 07:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Calidum 15:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Persecution of Christians by ISIL → Persecution of Christians by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – WP:PRECISION per WP:CONSISTENCY with Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Not evident all readers are informed about the abbreviation. PPEMES (talk) 12:10, 18 April 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 18:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
It was proposed in this section that Persecution of Christians by ISILberenamed and movedtoGenocide of Christians by ISIL.
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Persecution of Christians by ISIL → Genocide of Christians by ISIL – The prior move requests (including archives for November 2015 and April 2016) did not receive much input. Additionally, since then, there has been a shift in how scholars and governments have classified the mass killings of Christians by ISIS. I believe that a an examination of academic sources would justify the change in the name. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Assyrians, Chaldeans, and Syriacs now encounter an Iraqi boundary that is exclusionary and enforced by violence, marginalization, and displacement. For the first time in a decade, there is now a pervasive acknowledgement that this community is at risk of disappearance, and ISIL has been recognized as committing genocide.
In Syria and Iraq religious persecution erupted on a genocidal scale, not in an overcrowded prison cell. When ISIS (or Islamic State, or ISIL) launched itself from Syria into Iraq in 2014, the terrorist organization announced its intent to carry out a systematic, theologically and politically driven elimination of Christians on its way to establishing a global caliphate.
ISIS did engage in genocide against Christians as well as other ethno-sectarian minorities.
ISIS persecution of Christians[1] than
ISIS genocide of Christians[2] If we're going to use a WP:POVTITLE declaring it to be a genocide, it's required by the article titles policy that one can demonstrate usage in
a significant majority of English-language sources. (t · c) buidhe 03:45, 25 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
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The result of the move request was: Moved BilledMammal (talk) 04:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Genocide of Christians by the Islamic State → Persecution of Christians by the Islamic State – This article is currently misappropriating statements by the EU, US and UK calling the persecution of "Yazidis, Christians and other religious minorities" by the Islamic State in Iraq "genocide", and using them to support the notion, in a somewhat WP:SYNTH-like manner, that the Islamic State's treatment of Christians can also, independently, be termed a 'genocide'. This is not correct. The international recognition of 'genocide' from the EU, US and UK, applies to the religious minorities as a collective, and does not allow for itemized genocide designations. The previous move appears to have overlooked this rather vital detail. The only bodies calling the persecution of Christians by the Islamic State in isolation a genocide are religious leaders who are not independent and in a position to determine such terminology. The case for the related Yazidi article Genocide of Yazidis by the Islamic State is slightly different in that there are also separate statements from the likes of OCHA [3] declaring the persecution of Yazidis a 'genocide' in its own right - something that is not, AFAIK, the case here. As for the EU, US and UK statements used here pertaining to the collective genocide of religious minorities, these would be more appropriately used to create an overarching Genocide of religious minorities by the Islamic State article. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
religious and ethnic minorities, such as Christian (Chaldean/Syriac/Assyrian, Melkite and Armenian), Yazidi, Turkmens, Shabak, Kaka’i, Sabae-Mandean, Kurdish and Shi’a communities, as well as many Arabs and Sunni Muslims, have been targeted by the so-called ‘ISIS/Daesh’; whereas many have been killed, slaughtered, beaten, subjected to extortion, abducted and tortured..." Genocidal violence by ISIS took place against Christians, against Yazidis, against Shia Muslims, and against many other ethnic, religious and/or ethnoreligious minorities. It violates WP:SYNTH to assume that ISIS was targeting ALL religious minorities just because they were religious minorities. There is no religion called "religious minorities" that was targeted by ISIS. ISIS knew who they were targeting and they targeted specific groups of people. (And when I say "genocide", I am referring to the conclusions that various governments and courts arrived at.) Therefore, it is a fact that ISIS perpetrated the genocides of Chaldean, Syriac, Assyrian, Melkite, and Armenian Christians, of Yazidis, of Turkmens, of Shabaks, of Kaka'is, of Mandeans, of Kurds, and of Shia Muslims. If you are, for example, a Syriac Christian, and you're talking to someone about the genocide of your specific group of people, you would say "ISIS is responsible for the genocide of Syriac Christians". If you were trying to be specific, you wouldn't say "ISIS is responsible for the genocides of (name multiple religious groups here)". Because it would be inappropriate synthesis to assume that ISIS targeted religious minorities just because they were minorities, I arrive at the conclusion that yes, it is appropriate to say that ISIS perpetrated a genocide of, specifically, Christians. Remember, genocidal violence took place against multiple different groups of people; they are not all the same people. Nythar (💬-❄️) 03:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
every community composed of individuals that were not Arab Sunni Muslims", but I want us for a moment to assume that's the case. Let's assume that the attacks by ISIS against all these groups of people are one genocide only (not exactly sure how that works, but let's assume that's the case). It still isn't wrong to say "genocide was perpetrated against Armenian Christians" or "genocide was perpetrated against Kurds" without needing to name all the other groups. So I do not think it is synthesis for an article to say the attacks were "genocide of Christians" because, as I show in my example, saying this doesn't indicate they're each separate genocides. It's just specific to the group of people whom the article focuses on. It doesn't mean there were a dozen genocides even though they're only recognized as one, as you're saying. — Nythar (💬-❄️) 09:11, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
stop accusing me of SYNTH, as it is not AGF at all."
many homosexuals were sent to concentration camps by Nazi Germany and form part of the demographic of victims of the Holocaust"
these sources are being used to underline the notion of a Christian-specific genocide"
"Besides Jews, the Germans murdered near 2,400,000 Poles, 3,000,000 Ukrainians, 1,593,000 Russians, and 1,400,000 Byelorussians"[4], and then ask yourself why articles titled Genocide of Poles in Nazi Germany do not exist (here's the closest), and mull on how, possibly, the bar for calling an individual persecution a genocide, is a rather high one. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
"religious and ethnic minorities, such as Christian (Chaldean/Syriac/Assyrian, Melkite and Armenian), Yazidi, Turkmens, Shabak, Kaka’i, Sabae-Mandean, Kurdish and Shi’a communities, as well as many Arabs and Sunni Muslims...- so that is five different Christian communities mentioned there alone, alongside at least seven other ethnic and religious minority groups. Based on the logic that each of these mentions in this collective EU statement is a separate genocide, Wikipedia would have to have a dozen distinct 'Islamic State' genocides. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia would have to have a dozen distinct 'Islamic State' genocides.And why should it not have? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
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