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1 Barnstars  





2 DYK & ITN  



2.1  DYK for PS Castalia  
1 comment  




2.2  Want to expand Peace in Africa for a DYK?  
1 comment  




2.3  Any additions to Malahat (schooner) at DYK?  
1 comment  






3 Admin  



3.1  Track gauge editor: sock?  
1 comment  




3.2  Some disruptive editing  
3 comments  




3.3  Canadian Parliamentary Motion on Alexander Graham Bell  
2 comments  


3.3.1  See Canadian Parliamentary Motion 37/1-1205  







3.4  Move protection  
3 comments  






4 Aviation  



4.1  Hi Mj!  
4 comments  




4.2  Nomination of Air India Flight 829 for deletion  
1 comment  




4.3  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Eagle III MBB Bo 105 accident  
1 comment  




4.4  Nomination of Cargolux Flight 7933 for deletion  
1 comment  




4.5  Talkback  
2 comments  




4.6  Nomination of 2010 Air Service Berlin Douglas C-47 crash for deletion  
1 comment  




4.7  Saint-Inglevert Airfield  
1 comment  






5 Geotags, Grid refs etc,  



5.1  Geo Links and Geograph  
3 comments  




5.2  Checking inline geotags  
2 comments  




5.3  Oscoor  
1 comment  




5.4  Problem with gbmapping and oscoor templates  
1 comment  




5.5  Grid refs  
2 comments  




5.6  Geograph  
1 comment  






6 Mills  



6.1  Windmill in War Horse film  
3 comments  




6.2  Translation for stichting?  
1 comment  






7 People  



7.1  Hugh Kennard  
1 comment  




7.2  Frank Buckle  
6 comments  




7.3  Frank Searle  
1 comment  




7.4  Hawkins  
2 comments  




7.5  Felipe Camiroaga  
2 comments  




7.6  Searle's children  
3 comments  






8 Pictures  



8.1  Copyrighted images  





8.2  File:N269RV.jpg listed for deletion  
1 comment  






9 Places  



9.1  Borough Green  
1 comment  




9.2  Request  
2 comments  




9.3  Old British buildings  
1 comment  




9.4  Trinity Theatre  
2 comments  




9.5  Ditton  
2 comments  




9.6  Mereworth church  
9 comments  




9.7  St Nicholas Church, Blakeney  
1 comment  






10 Railways  



10.1  Mid Suffolk Light Railway template  
2 comments  




10.2  Dagenham Dock railway station  
2 comments  




10.3  2011 Flores rail crash  
4 comments  






11 Rivers  



11.1  River Len  
1 comment  




11.2  Mill symbols  
2 comments  




11.3  Cadeau  
1 comment  




11.4  Medway diagram  
6 comments  




11.5  Rivers  
1 comment  




11.6  Template:River Waveney map  
2 comments  






12 Ships  



12.1  Creteboon  
1 comment  




12.2  Maiden Voyage  
1 comment  




12.3  Template:Surviving ocean going ships  
2 comments  






13 Sport  



13.1  Re: 2010 F1 season/Hamilton  
4 comments  




13.2  Lewis Hamilton  
1 comment  




13.3  Flags for F1 race  
3 comments  




13.4  Wikiproject Water Sports  





13.5  2011 Australian Grand Prix  
1 comment  




13.6  2013 Formula One season  
3 comments  






14 Re: My editing  



14.1  Disambiguation link notification  
1 comment  




14.2  Disambiguation link notification  
1 comment  




14.3  re:Dabbing  
4 comments  




14.4  Re: SS Lotus  
2 comments  




14.5  Disambiguation link notification  
2 comments  




14.6  Disambiguation link notification  
1 comment  




14.7  Disambiguation link notification  
1 comment  






15 Re: Other users  



15.1  WP:AE#Wessexboy  
1 comment  




15.2  Courtesy notice: mentioned in Arbitration request  
1 comment  




15.3  Historic houses  
7 comments  




15.4  MickMacNee  
12 comments  




15.5  Biosaber  
1 comment  




15.6  AN Discussion  
1 comment  




15.7  A complaint about User:L1v3rp00l  
2 comments  




15.8  New user BritAirman (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC) page deletion comment  
1 comment  




15.9  ITN/C  
1 comment  






16 Miscellaneous  



16.1  Brighton Patriot  
1 comment  




16.2  Word of Thanks  
7 comments  




16.3  EGovMonet Deletion  
2 comments  




16.4  Troodos ec  
1 comment  




16.5  Listed buildings  
2 comments  




16.6  New Page Patrol survey  





16.7  Happy halloween!  
1 comment  




16.8  Otium  
2 comments  




16.9  Season's tidings!  
1 comment  




16.10  Action of 25 January 2012  
1 comment  




16.11  Article about Restaurant Week  
2 comments  






17 New messages  



17.1  Disambiguation link notification for Mar 2  
1 comment  




17.2  50th birthday  
1 comment  




17.3  Absence  
2 comments  




17.4  re:Empire Endurance  
10 comments  




17.5  Disambiguation link notification for March 9  
1 comment  




17.6  Disambiguation link notification for March 16  
1 comment  




17.7  re:List of Empire ships (UZ)  
1 comment  




17.8  location of the ATR 72 crash  
1 comment  




17.9  Disambiguation link notification for April 4  
1 comment  




17.10  List of Ships  
1 comment  















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== List of Ships ==


I'm starting to work on the list of ships in pt.wiki and have one question: On the 'list of ship commissionings' are added all the ships, included cargo or only military ships? [[User:Fabiano Tatsch|Fabiano Tatsch]] ([[User talk:Fabiano Tatsch|talk]]) 10:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


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Barnstars

DYK & ITN

This user has written or expanded 233 articles featured in the Did You Know section on the Main Page.




My DYKs are on this sub-page and my ITNs are on this sub-page. Earlier discussions are archived here

The 25 DYK Medal
For achieving your 25th Did You Know? I hereby award you this big fat medal. Well done. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The 50 DYK Medal
Trams, mills, railways ... I think Isambard would have been proud of your approach particulary the French ideas, but he would have barred our veteran editor from further progression for supporting a railway that was merely a metre. But he's not here! So more seriously, thank you on behalf of the wiki. (Let me tell you though that the 100 one s a really cool yellowy gold colour). Good luck with the GA and cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The 100 DYK Medal  
As I told you at 50 ... the 100 DYK medal is a really cool shade of yellow. I hope you are not disappointed, as the wiki is not regretful at all of your efforts. Well done. The wiki gets better due to your contributions and its a pleasure to thank you again on behalf of the wiki. See you at 200? Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
The D.Y.K. Project thanks you for your tireless contributions. The Interior (Talk) 17:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for PS Castalia

Thank you for thanking me. I actually noticed only one of the typos, but I use Firefox and it apparently spellchecks everything by default. When I went into edit mode, not only was the error I noticed underlined with a wavy line, so were other things. I had to sort out the genuine mistakes from a lot of "false positives"; I hope I didn't change anything that was right.

You are obviously a very active contributor to Wikipedia. I am mostly a consumer -- I benefit from the work you and others like you do. Thank you very much.

I have no idea whether this is the right place for this comment. You replied to my talk page and this is your talk page, so I hope it is. If not, you will move it. Gms3591 (talk) 07:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Want to expand Peace in Africa for a DYK?

Hi Mjroots, you and Haus seem to have good access to merchant marine sources. Want to expand Peace in Africa (ship) for DYK? Djembayz (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any additions to Malahat (schooner) at DYK?

Hi again! I've put in a self nom for Malahat (schooner) at DYK. Perhaps you can spruce it up a bit. Djembayz (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Admin

Old discussions are archived here.

Track gauge editor: sock?

Hi, do you thing that HTML2011 (talk · contribs) who started editing very recently, has concentrated on two areas (HTML and rail gauges) and who has already started twelve RMs, is a sock of TrackConversion (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some disruptive editing

Hey, mj, I was hoping you might be able to take a look at the 2012 Formula One season and Talk:2012 Formula One season pages. A user, Colinmotox11 has been making some edits that have been disruptive. I posted a message on his Talk page that I think is a fair summary of the events of the past 24 hours. Basically, he has been making unsubstantiated edits to the page, ignoring preliminary consensus on the issue, undoing any subsequent reversions, using contradictory arguments to justify it and accusing members who disagree with him of violating WP:OWN. While his intentions are good - he only wants to make the page accurate - his methods and his attitude are completely unnecessary. I don't know if there is anything you or the other administrators can do, but I don't think we've heard the last of him on this matter. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, mj. I knew I could count on you. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, mj, sorry to bother you again, but can you please take a look at Colinmotox11 again? He's trying to force through changes to the 2012 Formula One season by claiming he has got consensus for them, but reading over the arguments posted on the talk page, it's clear that consensus is against him: four people support his changes, and seven do not. Can you please do something about this, because he's dangerously close to violating the three-edit rule.

Furthermore, I feel that his edits set a dangerous precedent. His footnotes in the driver table essentially create a scenario where the table says one thing, and then he gets out of it by saying something else entirely at the bottom of the table, explaining why content should not be included in the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Was there a consensus for this move? I saw nothing but "oppose" but move went through anyway? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

See Canadian Parliamentary Motion 37/1-1205

Don't know what happened here, but it appears to be a "midnight" move when no one was watching. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 06:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Move protection

I'm uninvolved with whatever quarrel is going on over the article currently at Action of 25 January 2012, but the absurdity of this title has come up in at least two discrete ITN discussions. Would you mind at least giving it some vaguely identifiable name until those warring can work out their differences? I know that's going against protocol, but in this situation anything other than the status quo seems like a clear common sense exception.   — C M B J   08:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with the precedent you're referring to, but I cannot personally see using "action" as a static term ("action {date}") as opposed to {action} as a descriptive variable ("{action} {date}") for any article like this. But even if that's true, it's still an affront to common sense and in direct opposition to WP:NCE, which recommends that articles such as this follow the "{when} {where} {what}" variable format. Additionally, the current title goes against WP:STRONGNAT, which prescribes "{month} {day}, {year}" for American topics. I'm aware that it's generally bad mojo for an intervening administrator to take a position in this kind of setting, but again I think we're dealing with an IAR situation.   — C M B J   08:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not saying that you've erred in trying to prevent an edit war -- I'm simply reaffirming the views of other contributors that the current name is demonstrably baseless and is interfering with a time-sensitive process (ITN), one that WP:RM wasn't ever designed to accommodate. There is no reason why an interim name—any sane name—cannot be used until those users work out their differences. As a side note, the fact that something this blatantly wrong is even a point of contention at or beyond WP:AN astonishes me. The situation at hand is nothing less than bedlamitic; it's the functional equivalent of someone creating an article named Weather Event January 24 and then successfully vetoing a rename to Cyclone Funso, or any alternative, such as Intense Tropical Cyclone Funso, or Tropical Cyclone Funso, or Cyclone Funso (2012), for the same invalid reasons and in spite of the same unequivocal guideline and during the same type of 5-day nomination debate. It's so disruptive that it's now the subject of broader debate in a discussion about the future of ITN.   — C M B J   13:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aviation

Earlier discussions are archived here

Hi Mj!

Just popping in to sticky-beak via the Wikiproject Airlines page when I noted you are unwell! Hope it is not too bad and you will be ok. I myself have recently had a few health 'issues' raised after a CAT scan.

This may be of interest re Qantas grounding it's entire fleet: Simon Benson & Vanda Carson (29 October 2011 6:02 AM UTC ) "Shock as Qantas chief Alan Joyce grounds airline's domestic and international fleet". The Daily Telegraph (Australia). Retrieved 29 October 2011
Regards, 220.101.30 talk\edits (aka 220.101) 07:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. Am currently on medication that is making me very tired and thus editing is erratic atm, thus I can't guarantee to be around at specific times if I'm needed in a hurry.
The Qantas story is quite a big one, will be intersting to see if Qantas folds, as has been suggested in some parts of the press. Mjroots (talk) 16:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am currently up too late editing (+6:40 am) which is making me very tired, (despite several 'keyboard naps'). Hope your health issue sorts out OK.
Indeed Qantas could be left (is?) in dire straits by the current dispute. Glad I don't have any of their shares! Perhaps the Gov. will step in and force the unions back? PM Gillard is very unpopular right now, but might redeem herself if they resolve this event. 220.101.30 talk\edits (aka 220.101) 19:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I also had a CAT scan earlier this year; that and a whole heap of other tests mean that I am now officially suffering from sarcoidosis, which on top of my blepharitis, occasional headaches and unemployment, mean that I'm not 100% either. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Air India Flight 829 for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Air India Flight 829 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air India Flight 829 until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. William 22:12, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to delete the article, but left open the future option of WP:HISTMERGE as a method of merging articles without leaving a redirect behind. Drop me a line if you need help. Deryck C. 22:18, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Cargolux Flight 7933 for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cargolux Flight 7933 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cargolux Flight 7933 until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. William 21:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Mjroots. You have new messages at Compdude123's talk page.
Message added 22:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Compdude123 (talk) 22:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Nomination of 2010 Air Service Berlin Douglas C-47 crash for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2010 Air Service Berlin Douglas C-47 crash is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Air Service Berlin Douglas C-47 crash until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. William 23:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. You should nominate it for a good article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Geotags, Grid refs etc,

Geo Links and Geograph

There are problems with your suggestion- which is the reason I haven't done it. There is a discussion forum Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates that is discussing the whole thing. The crux is that many people are unhappy if the link goes to one site, no matter how useful, and believes that the link should only go to GeoHack, where the reader can choose the map they want. There are a lot of unhappy people there. I have a problem with the way we are doing the conversion. It looks great, but if we edit either gridref or the location then the other doesn't change. In looking for a solution, I have been looking at the maths and a lot doesn't add up, this coupled with the volatility of forum, I have been hanging back. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, and thanks for the contact. To me this looks good, but (and it is a big but) I'm afraid the issue appears more complex and contentious than I had first anticipated. I'm also not particularly "clued-up" about which system is good and which is bad, which seems to be part of an ongoing debate. All I know is that there should be a standard system, and these should be included as part of the text for settlements in the UK. Have you taken this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates?-- Jza84 · (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox geotags- looks as it will take some time. Its on my list! ClemRutter (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checking inline geotags

ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is perfectly safe to use: the next tweak will be an enhancementClemRutter (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oscoor

Thanks for the reminder. Although I use OS maps within multimap to find things, multimap gives DMS output, and the numbering of the OS gridlines in the display tends to be hidden; so I tend to think I'm not ever going to use {{oscoor}}. However your intervention did cause me to go back and read the national grid system article, so as to understand the resolution of various lengths of OS coordinate. As I would not have done this without your intervention; thanks! --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with gbmapping and oscoor templates

Hi, There seems to be a small inaccuracy in the translation of OSGB coords to WGS84. I've mentioned it here and here but haven't found anyone who might be able to fix it. Do you know where it would be best to raise it, please?--Cavrdg (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grid refs

I did not like having to display grid refs without spaces. At long last I have got round to asking someone and doing this very simple edit. The php that it calls was already prepared to receive spaces. That means you could do this edit to other articles that call oscoor (which is now a redirect). But certainly, I suggest using {{gbmappingsmall}} in any future case. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 18:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have now implemented oscoor elimination as a tool - see Template talk:oscoor. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 19:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Geograph

Moved from my user page
Yes indeed! A terrific place for browsing old memories and old haunts as well! Thanks for the reminder. Palmeira (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mills

Earlier discussions are archived here

Windmill in War Horse film

Hello Mjroots. I see you are a windmill expert. I have done some work on the locations for War Horse (film), and wonder if you could identify the windmill (?post mill) in the trailer? It appears at 1:29 trailer on YouTube. It's definitely in the UK as all location filming was done there; more than that I know not. I'm assuming it's not a built set as it would surely be cheaper to film at an existing one rather than build one. I know I'd have to find a RS to back up any identification information before putting it into the article, but if you can identify it, it might help me narrow down my search for suitable articles! Thanks Stronach (talk) 14:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I had assumed not because Speilberg had said that the only CGI in the film was in a trench warfare scene with a horse, for its safety. Stronach (talk) 15:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure it's CGI; the spars for the sails don't line up properly, but are staggered, and the postmill is too close to the trees. It's also rotating a bit quick considering the state of the sails, and the body of the mill isn't weatherboarded, the surrounding ground doesn't have a circular track where the miller would walk as he rotated the mill. The obturation of the field guns is woefully defective (note the explosion of smoke beneath each gun as it fires). The main street in the cardboard version of Lower Slaughter is too narrow. The MG08s are firing too slowly- the belt in the foreground doesn't seem to move up into the gun. The stahlhelms aren't camouflaged. Ning-ning (talk) 16:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translation for stichting?

What would be the best translation for Stichting De Fryske Mole? Most dictionaries say foundation, however in most Frisian windmill-related articles here it is translated as Frisian Mills Society. Trust would not be correct but I think is the British analogue to the Dutch stichting. My suggestion would be Frisian Mills Foundation. Reboelje (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

People

Earlier discussions are archived here

Hugh Kennard

Nice expansion. You should add yourself to the DYK nomination and let someone else review it—you deserve credit, not least since it was your idea to write an article on the bloke in the first place. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Buckle

Could you take a look at this Commons conversation between myself and a Commons admin and let me know what to do with this image? My choices, I think, at this moment are leave licensed as is, switch (slightly) to {{PD-USGov}} or switch to {{PD-US}}. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor14:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Poor Man's talkback. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor14:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Another talk back, same page and section. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor15:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mjroots, please don't mess with the image at commons quite yet. It's clearly PD and belongs there. Neutralhomer and I have been discussing this at my talk page, so please check out the discussion there.Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Still waiting on the decision about the image over on Commons, going slow. Canadian Paul is going to wait until after the funeral service today (Tuesday) at 4pm EDT before re-reviewing the article, so it remains on hold for 7 days. I have added a couple blurbs about flags being lowered in a couple more states (sadly only 9 states have done so) and a candlelight vigil near his hometown, but other than that, it remains the same. So, feel free to do some searchin' and add some stuff if it isn't already there. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor07:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Searle

Hello! Your submission of Frank Searle (businessman) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mgrē@sŏn 03:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkins

Please note this. Followed immediately by this on Twitter. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Felipe Camiroaga

As Camiroaga isn't legally dead, his body hasn't been found and at the moment is only "disappeared", I urge you to not mark his article as a recent death, nor to call him "dead". You are violating the biographies of living people policy by doing that, and additionally, you could be sued if Camiroaga turns out to be alive. None of the bodies have been identified yet, take that into account too.  Diego  talk  19:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know it is impossible that he survived the accident; however, we can't say he died until it's confirmed, for the sake of ethics! :P  Diego  talk  20:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Searle's children

Hi Mjroots. Why do you say this is standard info for inclusion? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So there is a parameter for it. If the children were in any way notable. I'll remove them again. Eddaido (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind in the least that the infobox shows he had four kids - shows he was (apparently) biologically technically fertile though I'm blessed if I can see why it matters to a reader. I thought the repeat of his parents' names in the infobox was quite surplus to requirements but as its your wish . . .
At some point someone said the article was rather messy and I agree. cheers, Eddaido (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

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Places

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Borough Green

Moved from User talk:Mjroots2

Please note I am the copyright holder of the main history book for Borough Green, Kent. I note that today I updated the link to the local history site. This had been hosted firstly on freeserve pages, more recently on tiscali. A lionk ( outdated_ to that site was on the wiki page.

Much of the content for the BG page comes from the booklet which is copyright. If you are not going to link to the pages where the history is now hosted I would be grafetul if you would remove the other information. Some of that is in the public domain. Some is copyright.

I fail to see why you have removed the link to the new site hosting anyway without any clear explanation.

Kind regards,

Ian Bangay. son of Frank Bangay who wrote the hsitory of BG , Past and Present — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian48db (talkcontribs) 18:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC) --Ian48db (talk) 19:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Hello. I send you this message because I need assistance in one problem. You made in the past a ruling in the discussion about Hungarian names for Romanian places and gave me an advice regarding alternative names of places in articles representing biographies of living persons, so I think you are quite familiarized with this kind of issues.

The thread I am referring is this: [1]. I've tried to prevent an edit war by asking a 3rd opinion from a neutral editor, but the other person replied that "he is not obliged to accept it and and he is not going to". Please intervene in order to defuse this conflict. Thanks in advance (Iaaasi (talk) 12:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

While I am respecting Mjroots' person and am appreciating his admin quality, as far as I know the administrators have no authority for resolving content disputes, but of course Mjroots is also welcome to participate in the discussion, but then his status is not that of an anointed admnistrator, but that of a simple user will be there unless there is a violation of policy going on there. And I also made a reply to what Iaaasi brought up here there: [2]--Nmate (talk) 16:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Old British buildings

Hi. I noted your interest in old British buildings and heritage. I've requested a bot to draw up a full list of listed buildings in the UK organized by town/county. Please comment Listed Buildings here and offer your views on whether this would be a good idea or not.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trinity Theatre

Nice article. It needs an infobox, but which one to use? {{infobox church}}or{{infobox theatre}}, or both? What do you think? Mjroots (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Think its better to go with the theatre, as that's what it is now - could do both? Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ditton

Mjroots, thank you for your comments on my efforts with the Ditton, Kent article. I am fairly new to Wikipedia editing (including writing on Talk pages!), but am willing to give your suggestion a try and - if I fail - I'll contact you again. Your help is appreciated.Panoramaxism (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if you might assess this article again? I know that you looked at it quite recently, on 14 June, but Shaibalalmar and I have done a lot more work since then. Many thanks. Panoramaxism (talk) 15:44, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mereworth church

I'll start working on this tomorrow; looks like an interesting church. There are some similarities with what happened at Glynde down my way. As it happens, I will be going to Worthing library after work tomorrow; they hold all the Pevsner volumes, so I'll see what comment he made in the Kent edition! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I had a look in the Pevsner volume (actually written by a different chap; Nikolaus Pevsner only wrote the Foreword!) and there was a lot of material in there, so I will add this tonight. It's considered to be easily the best C18 church in Kent: only one at Faversham comes close, apparently. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 07:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep the GA nom on watch. Should stand a decent chance; the lead might need more, but I can try to add a few sentences. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problems, but one query. Most Church GAs have "St", not "St.". I seem to remember that contractions that end in the final letter of the full word don't take a full stop, see List_of_English_contractions, but I didn't want to move without consultation. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but the dab page has the full stop. I was taught to use the full stop after a contraction, but it was many years ago when we had to use our brains in class, not computers! Mjroots (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No big deal, just wanted to check that you were at least aware that there was an alternative style. My church article actually began "Saint Nicholas... " which is obviously non-standard, so I moved it to "St" (I prefer to omit the full stop, partly because I don't have it for initials in refs, and partly because it looks a bit American these days, like Mr. and Dr.) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In British English the correct form is to add a full stop to abbreviations, unless the last letter of the abbreviation is the same as the last letter of the word abbreviated, so "St" is the proper abbrev. for "Saint".
Co.  • abbrev. 1 company. 2 county. (Pearsall 1999, p. 272)
St  • abbrev. 1 Saint. 2 Physics Stokes. 3 Street. (Pearsall 1999, p. 1395)
  • Pearsall, Judy, ed. (1999). The Concise Oxford Dictionary (Tenth ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0 19 860259 6. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help) --Redrose64 (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oxon CC had merged all the sec. mods with the Grammar schools by the time that I started at a comprehensive. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

St Nicholas Church, Blakeney

Thanks, all suggestion of blame retracted! You obviously got it spot-on. Two TFAs in less than two weeks, the wikigods are smiling. Any plans to send a church to FAC yourself? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Railways

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Regarding your latest expansion of this template, do we really need every level crossing here? Their presence dominates the diagram and it's hard to see where the stations are. Britmax (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you alter the template so it features Template:Location map Barking and Dagenham in the infoboxes? Cheers. I intend to gradually create all of the London borough templates.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) All you need do is ensure that the infobox in the article has |map_type=Barking and Dagenham --Redrose64 (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Flores rail crash

Have now created a stub article at 2011 Flores rail crash. Do you want to give it a look over and see if I've got it right (and perhaps add the appropriate Stub template?). Never done one of these before! Have reverted the deletion at Template:2011 railway accidents, as the article is now live. Thanks for the head-up! Skinsmoke (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) That would be {{SouthAm-rail-transport-stub}} then. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fine for a start. Hopefully other sources are available to expand the article with. Mjroots (talk) 20:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ta for the stub head-up: now added. Will check out the BBC article later. Skinsmoke (talk) 21:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rivers

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Mike I feel quite pleased with myself! I had found the relatively new Geobox|rivers at River Trent and investigated. You will now see the result at this article (I took an easy one first!). There may well be other information - I couldn't work out the coordinates, and in any case a river covers more than one; couldn't find the exact length; and dunno if there is anywhere to be able to get flow rates etc. You may well be able to add more tributaries - I took the ones you had alraedy mentioned under the mills. None of the blanks come out until you give some information. I had also discovered the exact location of the source - a historical document on the Medway; I'm sure you also know more about its course, although perhaps that isn't too important. Peter Peter Shearan (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mill symbols

As you see I have put two new symbols into your sandbox article. Just a quick fix. Using mills in this way is quite an extension. Come September we need to define what symbols we need- mills with weirs for example, millponds goits. I have been visiting the Dark Peak and realise how much more important water engineering was in the 1780s and the growth of the Cotton Industry. Still I am taking a break now. ClemRutter (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been talking with guys at WP:RIVERS and trying to work out what icon system to recommend. In a nutshell, the cyan worms are out, rivers are dark blue unless you need to differentiate- then non-navigable are light blue and navigable are darkblue. but I am still working on it. You have source at the top. River Len, Kent seems to be correct. See also Manchester Ship Canal for an upside down example. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers#Route diagrams gives the discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cadeau

fr:Fichier:LeteaMill.jpg is heel mooi! --ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Medway diagram

This takes a little thought. I like diagrams- very useful for showing mill locations- but there is a convention on canals that navigable should be darkblue and non navigable light blue. The tails as steams meet the river seem clunky. I have been concerned about the representation of reservoirs for some time- is a reservoir navigable or not- how do you show the dam bypass channel. In the simple case: a truncated salami would do- but they often are constructed at the confluence of several rivers. A lot of icons need some thought- and that will take a little time- I will put it on the list. (Some mills are on the wrong bank but that is minor). --ClemRutter (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have put in far too many hours playing with the diagram on my talk page. Please look over- and see if there is anything to add- you will need to proof read the position of the mills relative to the new locks, and the addition of the Beult and the two mouths of the Teise. I have added some new icons to Template:Waterways legend particularly putting curved dams on reservoirs. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be positive: it is getting there. A few of your changes I don"t like. A river is a hydrographical item, as well as cultural one. The first uncollapsed diagram needs to stand in its own right, and give the reader basic infomation about its course. The collapsed bits need to show the twidddly bits, that the Teise at Yalding has bifurcated, and where mills were situated. When the course is a navigation we need info on the locks. Background colour needs to show whether the river is tidal, a navigation, or non-navigable. The section names are taken from the NRA, and are used by the waterways community- I don't think Lower Mid Upper is really informative. The whole diagram (uncollapsed) needs to be complete and informative in itself. I think that we should do another round of rollbacks and improvement then wrap it in a template and ask the WP:RIVERS for comment on any points where policy decisions need to be made. I would like to use it as a model to be attached to their policy page. I then want to code up the River Etherow, Irk, Irwell, Medlock, Goyt can't you just smell the cotton. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, width is critical when using collapsable box- expand all the section to see it isn't broken by the change. Titles a lot better- I took one look and thought- I knew I was about to to do that-- but I can't remember having done it. These wretched dock icons look awful- I am going to redo them- I cant see why a narrow dock should be five times wider than the river. I am more concerned about the length if the diagram, then allowing the diagram to be included in Kent pages that make a mention to the Medway. Then into Infoboxes.I am uploading images along the commons:Portland Basin- Ashton Canal at the moment.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know this one? Template:Medway Navigation--ClemRutter (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well it is certainly ready to be wrapped in a template- so I have. We can do further editing there {{River Medway map}}. I did do one change as the Tidal estuary is downstream from Rochester.

True. There is a limit to the sort of ship you can drive under Rochester Bridge. I think the commissioner of HM Dockyard would agree with me. The London Stone is at Upnor, which is/was the upstream limit of the Port of London- but Rochester is miles from the Swale or Thames. This wrretched river never does things simply!--ClemRutter (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rivers

I have been putting a bit of input into Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers‎; that may interest you. Later tonight I will be posting some of the changes. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I notice you have updated the River Waveney map, but was a little surprised to see that it now runs from south to north. One of the problems of the transposition is that several of the adjoining rivers are now shown on the wrong side. Oulton Broad should be on the other side, as should the River Yare, and the Haddiscoe cut is no longer clearly labelled. I was going to try to sort it out but am a bit short of time at the moment. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am back from holiday now, and have moved Oulton Broad, Haddiscoe Cut and the River Bure back to where they should be, corrected the direction of the locks, and produced a windmill symbol for the windmills. However, I have no sources for which side of the river the windmills should be on, and as the river and Haddiscoe Cut have now been transposed, wondered if you could just check them. Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ships

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Creteboon

Just noticed your template - ships lost on maiden voyage - and wonder if the Creteboon would qualify? It was when they were experimenting with concrete rather than steel ships. Creteboon was built with the intention of sinking her as a Blockship (to keep a harbour open). Unfortunately she hit a sandbank - and is still there. - Also : email sent - Lugnad (talk) 12:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maiden Voyage

A query on your Maiden Voyage Template. I don't like adding a red link without cites. But can a cite be added to a template? I added Crescent City (of great interest to treasure seekers) and placed the cites on the talk page. I assume that it was valid to add this one, strictly speaking she foundered on the return leg of her first voyage. Lugnad (talk) 19:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Surviving ocean going ships

Have you seen the template

Hamish59 (talk) 00:05, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, Mjroots, but have you missed any of the ones in "National Historic Ships" that ought to be added to "Surviving ocean going ships". I note, for example, HMY Britannia Hamish59 (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sport

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Re: 2010 F1 season/Hamilton

Don't fret man, I'm sure we've all made errors like that at some point during our Wiki lives. We learn and learn every day. :) Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 15:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but I was just trying to trim some of the page size by removing the refnames of references that did not have another reference point in the article, as in the only mentioning of the reference. Bad idea in hindsight, but just trying to trim every little unnecessary byte off the page. Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 17:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Already responded there! Cs-wolves(talk) 18:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also believe the ref name tags give unnecessary weight to the article.  Kitchen Roll  (Exchange words) 18:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis Hamilton

It'll probably help that the 115.134.x.x range is out of the way; though I'm sure that's not the only IP range in Malaysia! Black Kite (t) (c) 09:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flags for F1 race

You undid my edit on the 2010 European Grand Prix because I changed the flag to European one from Spanish one. I think it is better to put the European one, because it is officially named the European Grand Prix. Of course, there is a Spanish Grand Prix, but all other races have their respective flags, bar this one. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, seen it. Also, thank you for putting my edit as a good faith edit, and not vandalism - because I just edited it thinking that the European flag was the correct one. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are quite correct about everyone learning about Wiki (but I guess everyone will be learning about it until they reitre, and the site does need admins :P). And, I am also trying to fight vandalism, so it would have been quite ironic if I were accused of it! M-R-Schumacher (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Water Sports

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2011 Australian Grand Prix

Please do not include blank pre-set sections. A wikipedia article should be ready to be read with whatever information is current at any point in its life. If you are going to 'set up' articles for future expansion, use hides to remove the blank headings from view of those who step into the article for a look prior to its expansion. Just a touch of professional presentation. --Falcadore (talk) 07:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2013 Formula One season

Hi, Mj,

I've come to you before with a couple of requests, and I'm hoping you can help me out with another one. A few recent developments have lead regular contributors over at WP:F1 to belive that it is time to create a page for the 2013 Formula One season. However, the page has been pre-emptively created half a dozen times in the past, and admins have prevented the page from being created until it is unlocked; we are 18 months away from the start of the 2013 season, and by comparison, the 2012 page was created almost three years in advance. I am hoping you will be able to open up the ability to create the 2013 page, or at least direct me to someone who can if you do not have that happy power, please. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I've changed the salting on the page from create=sysop to create=autoconfirmed, that should let you get to work on it, I think. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 07:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, Bushranger. Not too soon to create the article now, considering there are drivers with contracts to race in 2013. Mjroots (talk) 07:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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re:Dabbing

My apologies. I didn't realize you had found the ships in question via Plimsoll. However, instead of bringing the builder into the mix, it would be far simpler to just give the trawler an ST (steam trawler) prefix. Manxruler (talk) 07:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all. I've seen the ST prefix used for many different types of vessels; steam trawlers, steam tugs, steam tankers. The article on ship prefixes says steam tug, but is that article (which is lacking in citations) the authority in this regard? I suppose there should be some sort of set of regulations somewhere. Manxruler (talk) 07:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the one source I could find with regards to civilian vessels in the ship prefix article does not mention steam tugs at all, so that prefix has probably been added without the support of a source. Manxruler (talk) 07:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I believe that's due to the ship prefix article. Not that that is a problem at all. I think ST can stand for several different things. Steam trawler is an established term too, and I think it should be possible to use the prefix for that too, as well as for for steam tanker etc. A quick google shows that steam trawler is one of the possible uses. Manxruler (talk) 07:50, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: SS Lotus

Please, before undoing my edits by saying that the source says otherwise, reread the source. The source for Lotos clearly said September 1940, not 1939. I'm aware of the fact that I said the ship went down in November 1940 in my edit summary, but still, please check the facts before undoing. Manxruler (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay. Just be more careful next time around. Also, I'm fully aware of WP:V (have been here long enough to grasp the basic concepts), so there's no need to remind me of that. Manxruler (talk) 16:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Other users

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Hello Mjroots. Since you put the Troubles template on the relevant article, you might want to add your own comment in the discussion at WP:AE#Wessexboy. The complaint asserts that Wessexboy broke the 1RR and edited tendentiously at Queen Elizabeth II's visit to the Republic of Ireland. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy notice: mentioned in Arbitration request

Hi Mjroots, I'm leaving you a courtesy notice to say I've mentioned you in my statement at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#MickMacNee. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 11:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Historic houses

Nothing irritates me more than editors like you scoffing at other editors telling them what they should be doing. In fact you've probably deterred Rosie from bothering with these now when the topic is so poorly covered half decent stubs on them is the way to go. Virtually all articles Rosie creates are easily start class articles and well on their way to GA quality. Just look how many decent DYKs she has. Why the hell shouldn't she or I create a few referenced stubs every now and again? If the articles can't be expanded later we wouldn't start them. Not every is like you and wishes to only create an article at GA quality. I personally try to balance my editing between higher quality start-GA class new articles and stub building using sources and some content. You do not, but it is not your place to order others when there is nothing wrong with sourced stubs. As for prodding/notability that's absolute rubbish, a google book search proves this. Just let people get on with it please. Thanks a lot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Personally, I aim to create at least a C class article wherever possible, and frequently create a B class article. "
Seriously, do you not think we would also like every article to be at least GA class we and everybody else creates? Did you not see Arreton Manor, Knighton Gorges Manor, Great Budbridge Manor etc? There happens to be a vast amount missing for Isle of Wight and I believe it is very useful for wikipedia to create new articles about them using a public domain source. At a later date then they can be built upon. Writing every single article to GA quality requires a lot of time. It comes down to time. As long as the article contain some information and are sourced it is constructive. Maybe you were acting in good faith with some pointers , but Rosie clearly knows how to write a high quality article and how to edit. To me it looked like you were scoffing at her stubs. She writes a balance of good quality longer articles and referenced stubs as I do. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, I find it the best way to build wikipedia. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know we both have different styles of article creation. I'm not familiar with Rosie's editing style, but there was no intention to scoff or denegrate her editing. Now, why don't we both drop this until she replies? Mjroots (talk) 14:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly that, you are not familiar with her editing style so you are not in a place to comment on it. We (you and I MJ) may have different styles of creation but we both share the desire the promote articles to GA quality and beyond. I personally intend to promote many articles on english country houses myself and will much enjoy doing so. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I've long admired Rosie as a prolific content contributor and how well sourced and researched they usually are. She and Aymatth2 and are amongst the finest new article creators on wikipedia. If other editors were as good as her and Aymatth in the quality and range of new articles they create wikipediawould be thousands of times greater than it is right now. Anyway.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mjroots. Thanks for stopping by my talkpage and leaving your note. It's always heartening to know someone is reading what I write. I'm happy working on historic houses and their coverage can be improved on wikipedia by starting with a referenced stub. Something I am very proud of, and an example of my stub work, was the creation of hundreds of Nunavut geo stubs -- islands, lakes, bays, etc. -- later, not originally, having infoboxes, templates, stub tags, etc. I'm also a prolific writer of start, B, and C class articles. Those that got to dyk speak for themselves. For specific examples of my writing style, you can browse through my articles creation list, or dyk list, accessed from my userpage. As for the English and French historic country house stubs that I created yesterday, please give the articles a bit of time to expand. If you look at the edit history of the Nunavut geo stubs created in 2008, you'll see that they started off small but by now, several other editors have worked on each of them, adding this and that, making each of the articles informative and lovely, IMHO, while remaining a stub. I'm quite sure that in time, the country house articles that some of us are working on will be lovely, too, even if they remain a stub. As I'm an experienced editor, and an Admin as you pointed out, your remarks on my talkpage won't deter me from the work I'm doing on country houses. But other editors might feel differently if they received a similar note on their talk page. What a shame that would be... especially if they're a female (might be obvious from my username that I'm a woman) and felt hurt by the criticism of their editing, it being so unsatisfactory that there's the possibility of PROD or AFD. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. And let me know if you want to collaborate on some article... including country houses. Lol. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 18:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MickMacNee

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Mick, I'm posting this here as I think that if I post on your talk page it won't stay. The arbitration case will be closed soon and you know what the outcome will be. As others have said, you do make positive contributions to Wikipedia. The result of the case is not one of "chuck 'im out and nail the door shut behind him". The door can be opened if you want it to be, but you'll need to work at getting it open. Any ban imposed is only from en-Wiki. There are other wikis available, such as Simple or foreign language wikis. There is also Commons. If you are able to do good work there, without getting involved in all the drama, then that would assist in any request to return to en-Wiki should you wish to do so. Whatever happens, I wish you the best for the future. Mjroots (talk) 06:48, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for barging in but could you give me the link to the page, I planed to take a look but I don't think I will make any remarks. Thanks. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Link above in Admin section. Mjroots (talk) 07:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, if I may make a comment here: for gaming the system, HALLELUJAH~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:47, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure that was called for, but I expect many will feel the same. For me, this was never about "getting rid of" MMN, but more about getting him to interact better with other editors. There are very few editors who do absolutely no good at all, and MMN doesn't fall into that group. Mjroots (talk) 07:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should read what the Archbishop Desmond Tutu once said: "if a person carries a feeling of grudge for a long time, that person will frequently feel it in her/his tummy..." Having said that, I think it is our opinion that MNN falls into such category. But, Desmond Tutu also said: "forgiveness is the key to resolving one's ill feeling and to move on...", if MNN cannot do that then just who are we to try to help him to do something which he is not willing to contemplate? Nuff said, back to our siriz bizniz of weekeepeedia editing. Cheers~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you read the proposed decision, the door is not being closed forever. Anyways, Adminning is seriuz bizniz too. Mjroots (talk) 08:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Its fairly obvious that he is drowning in a pool and we threw him a rope but he rejects it, saying that he needs something bigger to save him. IMO, it is not about the size of the dog in the fight, it is about the fight in the dog that matters the most. No? Anyway, god bless him in whatever endeavour he chose after WP, he has had his chances and he chose to blew them all. Cheers and have a great weekend~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Your arrogant presumption of course is that I don't already have an account on a place like Commons. Commons is a great place because there's no real need for any rules, and those that do exist, due to their nature, well there's no real scope for admins with the type of flaws you have to exist. There's no way people who do not agree with Commons policies can get into positions where they can subvert such policies and conduct rather basic campaigns to play the man not the ball. On Commons, it's simple, if you talk shit, you're ignored. If you talk it enough, you're banned. There's no need for the sort of low-ball disreputable tactics you've employed to such great effect here to abuse a body like arbcom for your own ends, namely to invent new or ignore existing notability standards for your pet topics of interest, and see that they're followed using all the tricks of the trade made available to people like yourself, who are ironically trusted to watch out for them in ordinary editors. I am amazed to see that you don't get any scrutiny for this, even though its clearly just a basic character flaw, as you showed in other débâcles like your bizarre ideas about settlement nav templates, another case of you pretending that there's some rule here that if you talk bollocks politely enough, somehow it becomes valid opinion and should be treated equally against the opinions of someone who has policy, and more importantly simple non-vested common sense, on their side. It's a real shame that this site's biggest flaw is that it takes more effort to deal with people like you, than it does basic vandals. Yet your effect on overall quality and credibility is far worse than any vandal can ever achieve. I suppose I could get an account on Simple and start ensuring it became legitimate encyclopaedic resources regarding air crashes. Hopefully their outlook on user interactions means that when someone like yourself makes up a notability standard which doesn't equate with any other we have, or tries to so blatantly lie about what the ones we do have actually say, or tries to claim coverage in a tertiary topic specific resource like the ASN is a GNG-satisfying RS for the topic of aircrashes, or when a slack jawed fuckwit like Dave makes yet another classic ATA vote at Afd in defence of any of these idiotic ideas which offend all right minded intelligent people with their brazen illogic and general stupidity, then hopefully the people at Simple see this for what it is, and do not accept the situation that when perfectly valid criticisms of such deplorable behaviour like that are made, they are first and foremost not simply ignored by the people trusted to properly weigh debates and properly moderate such obviously disruptive and tendentious behaviour, and any tactics deployed to eliminate such opposition, such as deliberately ignoring valid points and unjustifiably whining about civility, that does occur in response to it as a way to absolve yourself of any and all adult responsibility and accountability for your deplorable actions, is itself ignored as the wikilawyer's tactic it is. I would love to think that Simple is not the sort of place where people look the other way when presented with evidence that its admins engage in smearing and ironically incivil behaviour while alleging incivility, in attempts to eliminate content opponents. You might think you're different from Dave, you might think that you practice your editing in a way an admin should, but you're two sides of the same coin. At least he's not shy in admitting that he treats Wikipedia like a game, or in showing that he probably has the same respect for our policies and guidelines where they conflict with his personal desires as he does when someone tells him he can't have an ice cream before his dinner. Wikipedia is a serious project, one that seeks to rival real, quality information sources, just not serious enough yet about dealing with people like you or Dave who couldn't get a job stacking library shelves, never mind being responsible for what goes into the books it has. It's a crying fucking shame that new editors conned into believing that we operate according to how the policies and guidelines are written, still have to be exposed to people like you. MickMacNee (talk) 14:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Of course you've got an account on Simple and Commons; with unified login you should have an account across all Wikis, including Wikinews, which is another area you could choose to contribute to. I would say that I posted to OP before I saw your post on Jimbo's talk page. It don't make any difference, as I meant what I said above.
One of your biggest faults is that you think that a guideline is in effect a policy. A guideline is there to guide, but it does not have to be followed rigidly without deviation. It may be ignored if there is a good reason to do so. A policy, on the other hand, carries much more weight. There may be occasions when policy is not followed, but those occasions will be very few and far between, and only for exceptional reasons.
I'll let the PAs pass, as you're obviously angry and lashing out. Not condonable, but understandable. As I've repeatedly said, this is not about eliminating you as an opponent. We shouldn't even be opponents as we are both here with the intention of improving the encyclopedia, it's just the manner of your interaction with other editors which is the reason you find yourself at loggerheads with the community as a whole. Anyway, I do wish you well, and hope that it will prove possible for you to return at some point in the future. Mjroots (talk) 15:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I forgot, not only have I an account on Commons, I have also had one on Wikinews too, and wrote quite a few reports there. I eventually stopped using that one way back though, as it became clear through the presence of admins like you here, and of Afds like the aircrash ones you have so effectively turned into farces of stupidity, that that particular project has been a dead duck from the outset, because through your actions, NOT#NEWS and the GNG have no real meaning here at all for events if they simply get reported in news sources and enough retards will turn up with their ATA opinions. You're an admin. You're really supposed to know that the situations where Guidelines are ignorable are not simply those where you disagree with them and where they get in the way of what you personally want Wikipedia to be, namely a database of every single airliner incident where a tube of metal is put beyond use, with all other considerations being well and truly secondary, whether they come from policies, guidelines, or just plain common sense non-Aviation obsessed opinions of what this site is for. If that's what you want Wikipedia to do, and if you think Guidelines are stopping you doing that, then you're supposed to be able to demonstrate in a cogent and logical manner, that what you do to ignore the Guideline, actually meets a Policy and improves the pedia. And you've never done that in your life. You don't know how to frankly. Yet somehow, someway, you still got made an admin here, which means the incentive for you to do so has been greatly reduced, and its simply easier for you to get what you want in despicable ways instead. Anyway, I really don't kow why I'm wasting my time telling you this, I've done it many times before, and you've never once got it. The crime is that other people honestly don't seem to care that you don't get it either. They seem to like the fact that their chosen admins really are morons, who don't even understand how the pedia is supposed to work themselves in their own chosen topic fields, let alone have the competence or integrity to be overseeing its performance elsewhere. MickMacNee (talk) 15:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Biosaber

I've edited wikipedia pages in the past but they keep getting re-edited. Why is that? Why can't the information I provide be left alone? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biosaber (talkcontribs) 21:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AN Discussion

Just thought I would let you know you are mentioned in this AN thread to get better clarification on a comment you made in an earlier discussion involving removal of a page move ban. -DJSasso (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


A complaint about User:L1v3rp00l

Hi there,

I would like to make a complaint about User:L1v3rp00l, for the following reason - they simply undo all my edits (see Arriva North West article) and then puts exactly what I've written but in his own way. It is really starting to get very frustrating, because I do not like people undoing my work and then doing this, it seems they obviously have a problem with me and I would like it to be sorted out before it gets out of hand.

It basically feels like the page has to be done to how they want and nobody's constructive edits are worth anything. It is disheartening to be quite honest.

I don't see what their problem is to be quite honest, but if possible could it be rectified ASAP? Thanks. JamesSteamPacket (talk) 22:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your quick reply. It is not surprising somebody has defended him but, to save any further arguments I'm not going to contribute to that page anymore, however if he starts doing it to another page I pay particular attention to improving and keeping up to date (there a few) I will go to ANI. Thanks for your help JamesSteamPacket (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New user BritAirman (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC) page deletion comment

Thank you very much for your helpful comment on my talk page! Don't worry, I am getting the hang of it now! At first I thought it was some sort of 'club' and that anything written by non-experts was immediately marked for deletion by the so called experts in aviation - a form of censorship, if you like. Now I can see that the removal of articles is all part of the evolution of Wikipedia. I will see if I can contribute by recommending improvements to articles where I think improvements can be made. I am fascinated by aviation and although I am not a pilot, it has been my hobby for many years and I think I can contribute a lot more. My BA2157 article took me about 10 hours in total to edit and reference - it has been a great learning experience. I am very pleased with the final result, but don't worry, I won't be reaching for the rope myself if it gets the chop! BritAirman (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ITN/C

I really wish those interested in attacking me would put more effort into improving the quality of what is written on Wikipedia. That newbie needed help. As a non-American I had never heard of the nominee, so couldn't help. Nobody who could help, the Americans who wanted it posted (possibly quite justifiably), did help. WTF was their goal? It was attacking me. It wasn't improving Wikipedia. That was my goal. HiLo48 (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Brighton Patriot

Hi – thanks for that link; looks quite handy. I have just checked my copy of the New Encyclopaedia of Brighton, and the Patriot is mentioned – albeit briefly: "Chartist paper, good for political events, agricultural developments etc.". Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Word of Thanks

Re your edit summaries when reverting vandalism, please don't do it in all caps, it's the equivalent of shouting. RVV (or rvv) is adequate for an edit summary there. Not saying there's anything wrong with your editing, but just tone down the summaries a tad please. Mjroots (talk) 14:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip (as usual)! I was quite annoyed to rebuild the section. I even considered requesting to semi-protect the page but after reading the guidelines decided to wait. Hopefully that IP will just get tired. (Brunoptsem (talk) 16:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]
If you think that a temporary semi-protection will help, then it can be arranged. Mjroots (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here I have to rely on your experience. The IP 189.122.146.171, apparently located in Rio made two bad attacks in the last three days. Just a few hours ago he started again but a trustworthy collaborator, HkCaGu, was quicker in stopping the action. The person is copying and pasting data from GRU and adding nonsence like LY flying GIG/JRS (Atarot has been closed for quite a while...). Plus the person is adding flights that need interline connection at GRU. I am inclined to ask semi-protection for a week because every attack, normaly done in the early hours, requires quite some work to undo. By the way, the article in Portuguese underwent also a similar attack. It is a mess now. Thanks for your usual help. BRGDS. (Brunoptsem (talk) 22:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Can't help with the pt-wiki article, I'm afraid. There is an easy way to revert multiple edits back to a good version of an article, even if more than one editor has edited in the meantime. Do you have e-mail enabled? I won't put it on here per WP:BEANS, but am prepared to let you know how off-wiki. Heading for bed so will check for answer in the morning. Mjroots (talk) 22:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Yes, my e-mail is enabled. Good night. (Brunoptsem (talk) 00:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Thanks for all your help with the GIG issue! BRGDS, (Brunoptsem (talk) 17:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]

EGovMonet Deletion

Dear Mjroots,

EGovMoNet was recently deleted from Wikipedia. I was still in the process of improving it when that happened and had not had enough time to recuperate the content for later reuse. So I asked Athaenara, who had deleted the article, to give me the opportunity to retrieve the latest version. Reading the logs, I am confused. Does this mean that you deleted the article after Athaenara had restored it? I still have not had the chance to retrieve the latest version before the article disappeared. Can you please help me?

Best regards, ChristopheS (talk) 10:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for restoring the article! ChristopheS (talk) 11:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Troodos ec

Hi

Apologies for the EC. I was trying to sort that problem out. I have posted on their page, and on the Cyprus page.

I will also notify the Cyprus project if you have not done so. Chaosdruid (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Listed buildings

Remember I made a bot proposal a few months back as Bot requests? Can you find me the section and I'll repropose it. It would be major help to have a full list of British listed buildings with coordinates in a table started by district/city and county.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've reproposed it again. 6 months passed without any action and I really think it would be very helpful to the produce to have full lists.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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This is my latest article. Feel free to make any improvements. --Doug Coldwell talk 19:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded article. Any ideas for a DYK hook?--Doug Coldwell talk 11:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Season's tidings!

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Hello! XavierGreen (the article's creator / the only editor who didn't want to change the title) has indicated on the talk page that he doesn't oppose a move to Rescue of Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen (the title that's received the most support so far). Given the now-unanimous agreement for a move, can we please unprotect the page and tentatively proceed (with the understanding that discussion can continue)? It isn't certain that we'll ultimately settle on that particular title, but it is clear that the current title is overwhelmingly opposed. —David Levy 17:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article about Restaurant Week

Just wanted your feedback on a new article that I have created. Does it meet Wiki standards? Would appreciate your comments and feedback (and help!). Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bangalore_restaurant_week Varunr (talk) 11:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. While the said references are on Facebook and Youtube, those are coverage done by actual and reputable Television News channels. Does that not count? Yes there are Newspaper mentions too, Note 5 and 6 are Newspaper clips and also, check the section titled Press mentions. Does that help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varunr (talkcontribs) 06:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Try {{WikibreakSwitch|NOINTERNET}}, or {{No-Internet}} which does the same job. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that's the one! Anyhow, am online for next 3 days at least. Hopefully the problem will be sorted soon afterwards. Mjroots (talk) 10:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

re:Empire Endurance

Hi Mjroots. This brings up an important, fundamental, point. Are newspaper stories from the Second World War-period reliable sources for details of events that happened back then? Having worked with such sources during my studies, and The Times specifically, I'd say no. Newspapers and such are not the best of sources today, and during the war years, with propaganda and censorship and all, it was worse. The Times wrote that SSMonte Rosa was sunk in an air attack, should we believe that? I know you've used The Times frequently, but you must surely agree that as a source for factual information (unlike its possible use as a source of how things were portrayed in the media back then) it leaves a lot to be desired. And when said source claims that Alster was a troopship (it wasn't) and that it carried among other things, toys, I'm deeply skeptical. She carried hay and coke to conceal her military cargo, why should she also have carried cigarettes and toys? What do you think? Manxruler (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. What filtered through from the military to the newspaper back in those days, and was allowed to be printed, is to be taken with a grain of salt. You're right in that it was even worse with the Axis side. They're not really sources for factual information, just a view of what the general audience was told. In my view, newspapers from those days shouldn't be trusted, unless reliable sources confirm the information. And if other sources confirm the info (not just repeating it), then why use old newspapers instead of the other sources? I think the general unreliability of newspapers in those days should prevent us from using them as sources for information. Let me give you some further examples. I wrote most of Battle of Hegra Fortress, and when I did that I found plenty of old newspaper articles on the action. I didn't use said articles as sources, other than to point out that Hegra Fortress was in the attention of the media back then. Had I used the newspaper articles I would have ended up claiming that Hegra Fortress was a large army base (it wasn't, it was a small border fort), manned by 100 or 150 men (really manned by 250) and which was bombarding Værnes airfield relentlessly (it was out of range and could not interfere with the airfield), that the Germans were on the retreat in Mid-Norway in late April 1940 (they were really advancing) and that Canadian troops fought in Norway in 1940 (no Canadian troops took part).
As for toys and cigarettes as cover for weapons transports, that would have been the first I've heard of it in the context of the invasion. The book source I've used says coke and hay was used as cover on Alster. Coke was used on several of the transports I've read and written about, the advantage being that it could be used to cover the entrances to the cargo holds and not be easily removed during inspections. Ships that were sailing in Norwegian waters were inspected, and an officer encountering "large amounts of toys" blocking the entrances to the cargo holds would ask questions and likely remove said toys to look inside the holds. The reliable book which I've used says nothing of toys, cigarettes, flour or sugar. Of course, these things might have been "liberated" by the Royal Navy at Skjelfjord, but if the newspaper article is correct, why no mention of guns, ammo, radio equipment, coke and hay? And would the RN folks take loads of toys? I completely get the cigarettes, and to some extent the flour and sugar (although those things would have really appreciated by the Norwegian administration), but to take large amounts of toys? Did the newspaper article also say that Alster was a troopship? There were no troops on board. Manxruler (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I'm mostly done. Thinking about adding a few more things, will probably do so later today. She suffered her first casualty under Allied control on 26 May, during a German air attack on Harstad. Just digging up some more detailed sources for that. I think that a GA nom is a good idea. Let's do that. Manxruler (talk) 09:30, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't get to the library today. Will use what I have already, more to come. Manxruler (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being annoyed about not getting to the library in time, I checked my personal library and discovered I've own plenty of books covering the ship. Work commencing now. Two issues: 1. Why is the page numbers missing from the The Empire Ships book? 2. Is Empire Endurance really the right title for this article? She was only called that c. 10 months and didn't really do much out of the ordinary, other than being sunk. Manxruler (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I'd presume the name she was sunk under would be the most commonly known one... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Mjroots: Could you perhaps find that book again, and add the page numbers? I think that's significant. If not, where should we ask to find the page numbers?
Mjroots and Bushranger: How do we check which is the most common name? I'm not sure sinking is the defining factor of a ship.
In Norwegian sources, which naturally are somewhat biased towards what happened to the ship while in Norway, Alster is the most common name, by a very good margin. She was launched as Alster, sailed for 13 years as the Alster, served as a Kriegsmarine supply ship as the Alster, was captured as the Alster, used as a repair and supply ship by the British in April 1940 as the Alster, used as a ore carrier by the British in May 1940 as the Alster, attacked by a British sub as the Alster. As the Empire Endurance she was a member of five convoys and was torpedoed and sunk by a U-boat, while carrying tow motor launches. . Manxruler (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There. That's all I've found on-line or I got in my personal library. I'll head over to the unbelievably tiny library where I live and have them order a couple of more books which I know have more info. How are you coming along with finding those page numbers? Manxruler (talk) 03:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've ordered a book that I know has some really nice stuff on Alster. The library it can take up to two weeks, so I don't know when I'll have the time to use it, seeing as Easter holiday is coming up with all the travelling, sunshine and away-time from the internet that it involves. The GA review has started now, I think your input is needed with regards to some questions regarding horsepower and images and such. Manxruler (talk) 11:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I too am hesitant with regards to fair use images. I don't have any in my books, but I did find this which seems to confirm that the picture you found is "our" Alster. I just remembered from looking at the GAN that I have info on her speed, from Miramar. Will fix that. Manxruler (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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re:List of Empire ships (U–Z)

Re- your long pending request for archival references, I suggest I post a citation for my recent article on 'Cold War Whaling' in POLAR RECORD. That contains 20+ onward citations of items at the UK National Archives. I'm afraid that working through every Vikingen/Viking whale catcher on the page in order to supply direct citations would be too much for me. There is also a problem with adding citations to the page as a whole, because it covers so many vessels. Thanks, Nargoon (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

location of the ATR 72 crash

You made a mess of things, leaving Gorkovka in the article and reinstating info that the crash happened 30 km away from the airport. First of all, take a look on a map, using the coords or on Wikimapia.org, at 1 nm south east of the runway -- you will see Gorkovka, the village, right there. Also on wikimapia someone in Russian identified the place of the crash. I highly doubt the veracity of the Russian sources. Aviation Herald mentions them, by the way, but still gives the crash site coordinates and a graphic at 1 nm downwind. Our USA Today source also gives Tyumen as localization of the crash. Best, --Mareklug talk 08:40, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Ships

I'm starting to work on the list of ships in pt.wiki and have one question: On the 'list of ship commissionings' are added all the ships, included cargo or only military ships? Fabiano Tatsch (talk) 10:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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