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The opening, for example, is essay-like, not encyclopedic:
It may be true, but it has an anti-chocolate PoV. —BenFrantzDale 18:52, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have no doubt slavery is an issue, i have seen other news reports myself, however these reports did not address this kind of technicalities. V8rik 18:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm tempted to mark this article NPoV again. Sentences like "Citizens are urged to write to their elected representatives ..." without attribution aren't neutral. If it were "[some organization] has urged citizens to write..." that would be different. —BenFrantzDale 17:47, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I still have a problem with the current article title. Adding a reference to it in the form of a standardized template will not fix this problem. Verifiable and reasonable accusations of mistreatement of the work force should be covered individually for each separate chocolatier. Standardized accusations in the form of templates is not an option. And I atill say this should be covered in either chocolateorcacao, not in a separate article that smacks of a POV fork.
The article claims that West African nations provide "nearly 50% of world cocoa", but when I checked the article on chocolate at Nationalencyklopedin, the figure for African countries 1994-98 was 63% of world production. The figures for individual nations for the same period was 39% (!) for the Ivory Coast, 11% for Ghana and 10% each for Indonesia and Brazil. I don't doubt that the figures have changed in the past 7 years, but we really need some updated references to get exact percentages. Peter Isotalo 16:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
{{mergeto|Big chocolate}}
You can get more information on Worldwide cocoa production at the World Cocoa Foundation's website: [5] -Tobias
Please, keep the link out from articles that have nothing to do with it. Like Fazer and Milka. --Thorri 11:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
User:farialima Dec 23 2005
The picture shows treatment of slaves in the 19th century in North America, whereas the article is about 20th century Africa. Is it really the right place to put it ?
Also, the picture links to a site called "http://www.radicalthought.org/". I do not think that this is link is good: its content is obviously biased; its name does not hide its "radical" point of view, which I respect, but that has no place in an encyclopedic context.
Overall, I have the feeling that this article tends to appeal to sentiments; even if facts are true, I believe that this is not a good way to present them.
I am new to Wikipedia edits but I'd say that this article should have a "NPOV" tag.
advertisements do not belong in wikipedia.
Benwing 02:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What in the world possessed people to think this belongs in Category:Confectionery?JIP | Talk 08:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, the chocolate industry cat is best. Putting it in the chocolate cat is unnecessary and potentially confusing. BrokenSegue 16:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where is says: "Mars buy free trade cocoa as a matter of policy" does this mean they don't go out of their way specifically to obtain fairly traded chocolate? It is a little unclear.
I feel like a lot of POV problems could begin to be solved by a move. "Labor exploitation" is much less of a hot-button term than "slavery", and it should be immediately be apparent that these are allegations and not universally accepted facts. - Che Nuevara: Join the Revolution 13:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If the claims are that slavery in the traditional sense at least is only being used to produce chocolate in Africa, would not that indicate that chocolate not certified fair trade but not from Africa--single origin chocolates and Latin American companies such as El Rey and Santander which only use beans from their own country--would not involve African slavery? I'm aware that these may use other "unfair labor practices" but then, would that not be another topic, maybe exploitation in the chocolate industry? --71.192.116.43 07:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"it should be immediately be apparent that these are allegations and not universally accepted facts..." The article itself says otherwise, repeatedly, e.g.:
And it goes on and on. Either slavery actually exists, or most of the article needs to be gutted and rewritten from scratch. I think the former is preferable, as the connection between slavery and chocolate seems extremely well documented. As such, I'm moving the article to remove the word "allegations" from the title, and editing the first sentence to remove the word "allegedly". -MichaelBluejay 17:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The mentioned product seems to have a Dutch website [6]. Is this link allowed as a reference or an external link? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.109.22.148 (talk) 20:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
How about turning this article into something like Economics of chocolateorEconomics of cocoa, rather like Economics of coffee? It could discuss the overall chocolate economy in general terms, and include information on exploitative labour practices and fair-trade coffee. --Saforrest 04:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It has been suggested to me (IFAD personal communication) that São Tomé and Príncipe (STP) was once the world's largest cocoa producer—1930s, maybe around 30,000 tonnes/year. Can anyone confirm this or advise a reference to global or STP historical cocoa production? Many thanks—GRM (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously, there are "political" sensitivities with issues like child labour and slavery, but on such things the cocoa industry was built! What is this article trying to achieve? Its current title is extremely broad and warrants an extention into the monetary side of cocoa economics, not to mention back-history of the role of slavery and indentured labour in cocoa production until the early 1900s—GRM (talk) 17:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there is serious opposition, I will be promoting the section title Children in cocoa production to the article title. forestPIG(grunt) 17:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added link GMI because if every person on earth had it, & if all people owned all things, then no one would be "forced" to buy & sell something, or someone (humans), into slavery of any kind. Stars4change (talk) 05:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Someone created a "2009" secn w/o any text, but the following bare URLs:
Don't add a 2009 section until you have some new developments to report -- at least a verifiable report that says there's been no progress. I'm about to provide properly formatted versions of those URLs, and i'll probably comment on what eligible material i see on them.
--Jerzy•t 03:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This article says there are 200,000 and gives a BBC article as the source, while this article also by the BBC news says as many as 800,000 work, who is right? I know the exact numbers are probably hard to figure but what caused this discrepancy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.68.241 (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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the fifth link in References does not work any more and therefore it is hard to trace the information is true or not. I think the education on child laborers are underrepresented. The exploitation of child laborers is greatly influenced by the low education. I want to update information about forced child labor and children education in Africa. In this wiki page, I saw a lot of words like slavery, forced. I want to update more information about how we define as "children slavery".
https://books.google.com/books/about/Education_in_Africa.html?id=qqtKAAAAYAAJ
https://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/slavery/africa.pdf
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/world-july-dec13-burkinafaso_07-10/
http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/chocolate.pdf
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Well, to some extent, poor farmers, slave traffickers, the governments of Ghana and Ivory Coast, but no discussion about the role of the chocolate industry. But the industry has responsibility too:
Nestlé sued again over child labor in cocoa supply chain https://www.confectionerynews.com/Article/2018/02/13/Nestle-sued-again-over-child-labor-in-cocoa-supply-chain Feb 14, 2018 - Nestlé sued again for allegedly 'using child and slave labor to make chocolate' ... ADM, which alleged the firms aided and abetted child slavery in West Africa.
Your Halloween Candy's Hidden Ingredient: Child Slave Labor ... https://www.motherjones.com/food/2018/10/halloween-candy-hidden-ingredient-chocolate-child-slave-labor-nestle-mars-cargill/ Oct 31, 2018 If you’re buying last-minute Halloween candy, you might want to know about a recent ruling by the US Court of Appeals Ninth Circuit in a long-running lawsuit against Nestlé and agribusiness giant Cargill that alleges the companies aided and abetted child slavery on cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast.
Does Your Chocolate Come From Slaves? – ETHICAL UNICORN https://ethicalunicorn.com/2018/02/24/does-your-chocolate-come-from-slaves/ Feb 24, 2018 - Many children in Western Africa live in poverty, so begin working at a young age to ... supply cocoa to the international giants such as Hershey's, Mars, and Nestlé, ... eliminating child and forced labour in cocoa farms, particularly West Africa, ...
But if responsibility is assigned to the industry, Neutral POV suggests that the article also cover the corporations' attempts at improving the situation
Cocoa | Nestlé Global - Nestle https://www.nestle.com/csv/raw-materials/nestle-cocoa-plan Mar 21, 2018 - The cocoa supply chain features serious challenges, from low incomes for farmers to child labour and gender inequalities. We are tackling these issues through ...
Cocoa has a poverty problem. You can help by eating more dark ... https://newfoodeconomy.org/chocolate-farmers-ivory-coast-ghana/ Jul 7, 2018 - On this World Chocolate Day, we're sharing insights on the state of the chocolate market and ... and Nestlé expressed their collective commitment to combat child labor in cocoa growing communities in West Africa through their support of the ...
I have expanded the article to cover such issues; I hope that @David Tornheim will check it out and provide any suggestions for improvement. Peter K Burian (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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