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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: moved reverted back to original title, and page protected to prevent further disruption without an accompanying discussion at WP:RM. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC) ~Amatulić (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Government of Taiwan → Government of the Republic of China – The undiscussed move to this title should be reverted. This article, as it stands, contains a description of the government as it existed pre-1949, so calling the whole thing the "government of Taiwan" is simply incorrect. The current consensus (as far as I know) is that in articles strictly dealing with the state / government, we should refer to the state as the ROC, but even were the common name to be used, the article should be moved back until the pre-1949 parts are split off. The disambiguation page currently at Government of the Republic of China is largely a duplicate of Republic of China (disambiguation), and can easily be merged or simply deleted. wctaiwan (talk) 03:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's already listed (in addition to the fact that it's possibly controversial), I'm not going to relist it as a technical move. But feel free to ask an admin to take a look if you think it would help. wctaiwan (talk) 11:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is not about using the technical move to avoid a discussion on a controversial issue. The move that was made was controversial, and under the procedures should be reverted as a technical move (which would be the normal procedure anyway if an administrator wasn't required to revert). The move can then be proposed to the new title under the Requested move process. Skinsmoke (talk) 12:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
SpeedyWP:BRD since this article is not about Taiwan, it's about China, anything pre-1950 is about China, not Taiwan. What the person who moved it should have done was to split this page in two, since the thing residing at "Government of ROC" is entirely lacking in the information found here. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 11:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Beiyang Government and Nationalist Government[edit]
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Government of the Republic of China → Government of Taiwan – "Taiwan" is the common name. The use of "Taiwan" instead of "Republic of China" has increased over the years to the point that the phrase "Republic of China" is confusing to an average reader. It has been objected that "Taiwan" is not the official name of the country, but Wikipedia:Article_titles#Common_names is clear that the common name should take precedence over the official name where they differ and the official name does not approach the common name in wider usage. Coco977 (talk) 13:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. The current article contains substantial info on the ROC government when it controlled the mainland. The current government of Taiwan is a subset of that. I also don't think removal of content is the answer.--Cúchullaint/c13:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree on this one. The mainland Republic of China was called, well, the "Republic of China". It makes sense that an article on its government would be called "Government of the Republic of China". We don't really have a better location for this material. Perhaps the better solution is to spin out "Government of Taiwan" into a separate article.--Cúchullaint/c13:58, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – the island which the government resides is called Taiwan, the official name of the sovereign identity is called the Republic of China; oppose per comments above. CookieMonster755𝚨-𝛀22:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per above, Plus: the government itself sees and claims continuity. It is not correct to say that it was "not established until 1948" (even if you accepted this argument, the date would have to be 1945, with the surrender of Japan, which is another can of worms). The article in the link above -- Nationalist Government-- says " officially the National Government of the Republic of China."ch (talk) 07:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The government is a political entity. There is no such "Government of Taiwan" - we only have a "Government of ROC" which claims to be the government for entire China although it has defacto control only over Taiwan and a few islands. Unless ROC actually stops claiming to be the government of China, the article should remain as it is. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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This RfC has been open less than 30 days, however, the last substantive comment was more than a week ago and a request for a non-admin close has been registered.
There are no policy-based arguments to evaluate; arguments primarily focus on questions of personal aesthetics.
By breadth of support, 3 editors support REMOVE and 2 editors support RESTORE.
There is no consensus to RESTORE the infobox and there is also no consensus to "KEEP [the infobox] REMOVED" (the way the RfC posed the question). However, in the absence of a consensus, the status quo ante should be observed, which is the article without this infobox. DarjeelingTea (talk) 21:16, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore I don't know why it was deleted either. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it. Blurp92 (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2017 (UTC) I was originally for restoring this infobox, but after further evaluation, I see that Lemongirl942 and TU-nor do raise valid points. And to be honest, I agree with them. It isn't necessary nor commonplace, with other "Government of..." articles not using this infobox. And, as demonstrated in the comparison between the two infoboxes that Lemongirl942 has shown, it overlaps with infoboxes that said "Government of..." articles use. So, on that basis, I would now also say remove. Blurp92 (talk) 23:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Yes, I had removed the infobox. If you look at the article, it already contains the template {{Politics of the Republic of China}} which provides most of the information in a better manner. Adding this infobox doesn't add a lot to the article. Another reason why the infobox is not particularly suited is because it might oversimplify a lot of stuff (for example, ROC's jurisdiction is controversial and it needs to be explained in the text itself). See the table below which compares both.
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