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Found verification on CNN. http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/08/15/breakfast-buffet-national-lemon-meringue-pie-day/
- clearly sourced from wikipedia and its numerous clones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.98.38 (talk) 09:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
-- Welcome to Wikipedia. Please familiarize yourself with wikipedia's policies regarding Verifiability. --TheyCallMeDrWorm (talk) 06:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Farrer K. cites Alexander Fresche as the inventer of Lemon Meringue pie. That is why the reference was originally attacked to the article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.15.12.211 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 1 February 2007.
The first time that Alexander Frehse was added to the article was with an edit by IP address 71.194.243.7 that added the statement "The recipe was created by Alexander Frehse in the mid-nineteenth century" with a reference to Keith Farrer's To Feed a Nation: A History of Australian Food Science and Technology (ISBN 978-0643091542) as support.[1] The same IP later added to the Creamsicle article (before it became a redirect) the statement "The creamsicle was first invented by a Swedish imigrant named Alexander Frehse in 1923" with Farrer's book used again as a reference.[2] As the index of the book on Amazon.com listed neither lemon nor meringue nor pie nor Alexander nor Frehse, I removed mention of Alexander Frehse from the article as well as Farrer's book as a reference.[3]
Mention of Alexander Frehse was reintroduced to the article with an edit[4] by IP address 67.175.86.191, with support for the statement being given to John F. Mariani's Encyclopedia of American Food and Drink (ISBN 978-0867307849). The index of Mariani's book on Amazon.com does show an entry for lemon meringue pie on pages 182-183, but the index lists neither Alexander or Frehse. Given the history of that name, I'm calling shenanigans and deleting that block of text. While the edit did introduce a few accurate statements, mostly copying text from foodtimeline.org's entry for lemon meringue pie[5], I think it best to to re-stubbify the article. — VulcanOfWalden (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The dessert has been enjoyed since Medieval times, but the recipe for meringue was not perfected until the 17th century." Food history is not often very good history. This recipe depends upon the common availability of lemons, the idea of pies as desserts and meringue as a topping. We can rule out "Medieval times" for a start. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see a pre-Napoleonic era recipe or description. Anyone?--Wetman (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't seem to get the ref to work. perhapse someone with a faster connection and more experience can fix it instead of reverting to a stub article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.86.191 (talk) 03:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am taking out the Australia reference unless someone has a cite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.86.191 (talk) 05:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe there should be a cut-a-way shot of the pie because although the two pictures are lovely, they do not show what is inside the pie, which distinguishes it from all the other froth-topped pies. How do you know there is not chocolate under there? Didn't I post a photo of pie-segment? I'll have to go look. Two pretty shots of the top don't help the uninitiated. We need a cross-section either 2-D drawn or picture or something. And I think an ugly cross-section picture provides more information than two pretty pictures of the top. Think of information versus professional photo shoot. It's not about a Fair's blue ribbon prize. It's about pie structure. Right now the article is handicapped. Kristinwt (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And right now there's redundancy because there are two photographs of the exact same thing: unsliced pie. Why are there two? Kristinwt (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of the three currently non-deleted photographs that JNT724 has uploaded to Wikipedia—Image:Something Sweet Inc. Coconut Cream Pie.jpg, Image:Something Sweet Inc. Lemon Meringue Pie.jpg, and Image:Something Sweet Inc. Apple Crisp.jpg—only the apple crisp photo, because of the advertising text on the photo itself, is inappropriate for general use on Wikipedia based on the content of the photo. What makes all of the photos inappropriate for Wikipedia is that they all have conflicting licenses: JNT724 uploaded them as both public domain and "all rights reserved".
72.88.46.193 noticed this contradiction and tagged them for deletion. These photos do come from Something Sweet's website. In a talk page comment, JNT724[6] states that the company is owned by his family. I don't know whether he has the authority to release these photos under an open license. Given the promotional nature of his activity on Wikipedia, I doubt that placing them under an open license was his intent.
Checking the logs of these photos, this isn't the first time that they've been uploaded and subsequently deleted for license problems. One problem with his replacement of images is that the old image can be lost when his image is eventually deleted. Anyway, this note was written because the cycle may well repeat itself. — VulcanOfWalden (talk) 17:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The earliest documented recipe for a baked beaten-egg-white-and-sugar confection is the handwritten recipe for “white bisket bread” by Lady Elinor Fettiplace (c. 1570 - c. 1647) in a manuscript book, dated 1604 3. She lived at Appleton Manor in Berkshire (now in Oxfordshire) a short distance southwest of Oxford with her husband, Sir Richard Fettiplace, and their family. When she died in 1647, she left her book to her niece. Through a long chain of inheritances and marriages, more than three hundred years later, the book finally came into the hands of John Spurling. His wife, Hilary, used the book in the family kitchen for ten years before she wrote, Elinor Fettiplace’s Receipt Book — Elizabethan Country House Cooking, 1986 (Viking Salamander, London). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.134.173 (talk) 23:55, 4 April 2010
The text of the article before my re-stubbification on 09 Nov 2010 is based on text taken from the Food Timeline.org's entry on Lemon Meringue Pie. This is somewhere between plagiarism and a copyright violation. As I've mentioned in the Alexander Frehse redux section above, much of this was added as cover to insert the text "[t]he earliest recorded recipe was created by Alexander Frehse" into the article. Between the plagiarism and vandalism, I'm once again re-stubbifying the article. — VulcanOfWalden (talk) 02:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I note that this otherwise obscure botanist is mentioned by name in the write up of The Best of British Pies (2019) by Anthony Boundy. Schwede66 22:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Article reads "Lemon flavoured custards, puddings and pies have been made since ancient times." Since the ancients probably didn't have lemons, they probably didn't have any of these lemon-based dishes, though they may have had dishes based on citrons.[7] --Macrakis (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]