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As noted in the Encyclopedia Britannica, "blueback" is a synonym for adult sockeye salmon.--Edgewise (talk) 00:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The main picture identifying the salmon is its freshwater phase, when it has been degraded substantially by the fresh water and will soon die. The ocean-going phase represents what it looks like through 99.9% of its life cycle.Uniquerman (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have an interest in updating this reference, drawing on generally accepted references such as:

Burner, R.L. 1991. Life history of sockeye salmon Oncorhynchus nerka. In: Pacific Salmon Life histories. Eds. Groot, C. and L. Margolis. pp 1-117. UBC Press. Vancouver.

Forrester, R.R. 1968. The sockeye salmon Oncorhynchus nerka. Fish. Res. Bd. Can. Bull. 162. 422 p.

Koo, T.S.Y. 1962. Studies of Alaska red salmon. University of Washington Press. Seattle. 449 p.

Roos, J.F. 1991. Restoring Fraser River Salmon. Pacific Salmon Commission. Vancouver. 438 p.

Peer reviewed papers in: the Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences, the Journal of the Fisheries Research Board of Canada, Transactions of the American Fisheries Society, North American Journal of Fisheries Management, Bulletins and Progress reports of the International Pacific Salmon Fisheries Commission, Annual reports of the Fraser River Panel (Pacific Salmon Commission), the Technical Report Series of the Pacific Salmon Commission.

In addition, I wish to draw on agency reports and material and web material from: Department of Fisheries and Oceans, Canada; Alaska Department of Fish and Game; North Pacific Anandromous Fisheries Commission; Kamchatka Fishery and Oceanography Research Institute; Pacific Salmon Commission; College of Fisheries, University of Washington; University of British Columbia; Simon Fraser University.

If anyone has any comments or concerns pertaining to this initiative, please contact me on my 'Talk' Page. JDCAVE (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian news media have been carrying stories for a week and more, to the effect that 25 million Sockeye salmon were ariving in the Fraser River. In more recent days, the estimate has shifted to as high as 34 million.

Surely the picture – as to dwindling numbers and conservation ceoncerns – painted in the current Wikipedia article is now inaccurate. (Not to say that there is anything wrong about a conserving approach to Sockeye fishery management.)

It's simply that everything in the way of understanding about Sockeye populations will be and is being reevaluated. This is the largest Fraser River run since 1913, and possibly since well before that year.

See also :
- Tabor, R. A., Brown, G. S., & Luiting, V. T. (2004). The effect of light intensity on sockeye salmon fry migratory behavior and predation by cottids in the Cedar River, Washington. North American Journal of Fisheries Management, 24(1), 128-145.
- Cartwright, M. A., Beauchamp, D. A., & Bryant, M. D. (1998). Quantifying cutthroat trout (Oncorhynchus clarki) predation on sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) fry using a bioenergetics approach. Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences, 55(5), 1285-1295.
--Lamiot (talk) 12:04, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The scientific content in this article is of low quality. There is more rigorous content available from the Pacific Salmon Commission. JDCAVE (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The scientific opinions on the effect of sea lice on the survival of juvenile Fraser River sockeye are extremely speculative. Sea lice are only one of many, many equally valid hypotheses for the decline in marine survival of these stocks. Again, I don't think that news paper articles should be used as supportive references for these claims. JDCAVE (talk) 8 February 2010

While perhaps much of the info contained as of now in the "Conservation Status" section should be retained, much of the material concerning 2009 situation (and earlier) needs to be rewritten in the past tense. Things appeared one way a year ago, and definitely appear another way now! Some things about the endangered or threatened status of the species may still be accurate, but need to be reconsidered and no doubt reworded.

It's obvious that the Fraser River run of some 30 million sockeye – and some estimates have put it as high as 34 million – changes the picture. This year's run is regarded as an historic high point (as great or greater than the run of 1913). The info has been added, but is not currently integrated in this section. It's a jumble, and almost impossible, I'm sure, for anyone unfamiliar with the topic to decifer; fact-wise, you have to already know what to look for when you first read this section. Which is shabby. Joel Russ (talk) 00:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It is hard to imagine that the stocks could rebound as they have, but it appears to be so. I'll take a stab at a rewrite over the next few days after I collate some sources on the 2010 run. I live near the Adams River in the B.C. interior, which is currently red with fish, more fish than water. I'm not sure what to do with the fish farming/sea lice paragraph though. I guess we need to amalgamate the Fraser run numbers with returns from other watersheds, including the Alaska run. The Interior (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just wish to put out that the Sockeye Salmon are almost EXCLUSIVELY found in the U.S. and Canada. So for the Diet and simmilar sections about the fish themselves SHOULD NOT BE MARKED for review on world-wide view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumbbell1023 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there's no need to "globalize" info about sockeye diet, unless there is some difference between Asian and North American sockeye diets, or kokanee diets in other parts of the world where sockeye/kokanee have been introduced. Also, I didn't think sockeye are "almost exclusively" found in the US and Canada--aren't there quite a lot in Russia, especially the Kamchatka Peninsula. I think the Asian population is smaller, partially due to overfishing, but I thought it was still fairly significant. Just saying. Pfly (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added more to the section on Diet, as well as, adding new reproduction and competition sections. VAleles (talk) 01:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1) Redundancy
→The fact that the larger males are favored appears multiple times in this article. The claims that are made under the assumption that larger males are preferred for mating could probably clumped into one section

2) Clarification in Hierarchy vs. Sneaking
→Does the fact that larger females tend to spawn in shallower waters have to do with dominance hierarchy? Because the previous sentences in this section talk about male dominance hierarchy.

3) Clarification in Morphological changes
→Specify at what instances the fish go through morphological changes.
Jyn0309 (talk) 05:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General Edits

• Remove unnecessary language, sentences
• Add some more citation, specifically at the end of sections
• Expand small sections
• All title must have the first word capitalized and subsequent letter lower-case. This is wiki standard.
• I think the Reproduction section needs to be integrated with itself better. I am not convinced that many small sections is appropriate.

Specific Edits:

• Introductory paragraph

• This needs more information that is present in the rest of the page.
• The etymology sentence needs refinement

• Range and Habitat

• The first sentence really needs editing. It's a large run on and the information within is disorganized and confusing
• Remove "As an aside..."
• Cite your source on the last sentence of the section

• Lifecycle

• Needs vast improvement in length and content
• Remove/relocate the first sentence to a section called "Appearance"
• There are no citations in this section.
• The placement of video and picture makes this look very bad; consider moving both to one side

• Diet

• De-jargon the first sentence
• Also missing citations

• Reproduction

• Hiearchy

• Males will move quickly into the "redd"? Define and/or hyperlink.

• Morphological changes

• You should probably define "adipose fin length"

• Sexual/Natural selection

• I'm not certain that this requires its own section; it seems like you can integrate it with morphology, sexual selection, or cost

• Energy cost

• Rather jargony

• Parental care

• Too small to be a section. Join it with another, expand, or excise

• Competition

• Juvenile

• Consider specifying which species they conflict with

• Commerce

• Hyperlink "Ozernaya River"

• Conservation

• Add hyperlinks.

Bakerb4379 (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was pointed out multiple times throughout that larger males are favored, only really have to spell this out once

Morphological changes: some of the morphological changes are listed but there’s timeline

Parental Care: what are some ways in which the females engage in parental care

Juvenile: should define interactive segregation

During Reproduction: what are some aggressive behaviors that males engage in?

Reproduction: what are some qualities in a good nest environment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gopara (talk • contribs) 04:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good article overall! It really covers the subject in great depth. :) The following are a few suggestions for improvement/changes I made:

I made some small grammatical changes to the introduction. There was a “to” missing and I added “as far as” before the distance the salmon travel to get to saltwater areas. I also changed “saltwater areas” to “the ocean”.

“Landlocked populations occur in the Yukon Territory and British Columbia in Canada, and in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, New York, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming in the United States.” This sentence is long and confusing. I would recommend breaking it up.

What is a redd? This is never explained, nor was there a link for clarification (this might be because there is not Wikipedia page for the redd we would want to include…just a band from Turky). Claire.Edelman (talk) 20:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Good article! Lots of sections with brief but descriptive information

Here are a few suggested improvements that could be made:

• Under landlocked populations: for the entire first paragraph, there is no reference made for where the information came from. Might be helpful to add references
• Reproduction: adding a hyperlink to "redd" would be helpful to readers.

• there is also some technical jargon that may be hard to follow or too in-depth. Like Adipose fin length, operational sex ratio, etc.

• Maybe Range and Description can be combined as they're already small sections to begin with
• Sexual Selection Chapter: Maybe explain why larger males are not preferred if the risk of predation is very high
• Aggressive Behavior: a few more hyperlinks or explanations would be helpful, like linking to agnostic behavior

• Defining interactive segregation would also be helpful for readers

• Energy cost might just be placed under reproduction or sexual selection headers, without needing its own header

MLiu19 (talk) 19:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sockeye salmon's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NOAA":

• From Crater Lake National Park: "NowData – NOAA Online Weather Data". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 2012-05-26.
• From Endangered Species Act: ((cite newspaper |author=PewWhaleConservationProject | url=http://www.pewwhales.org/whalesymposium/biographies.php))

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They can be up to 84 cm in length and weigh anywhere from 2.3 to 7 kg. Juveniles remain in freshwater until they are ready to migrate to the ocean, over distances of up to 1,600 km.

— It's really annoying to pull up an article about a fish found in the U.S. Pacific Northwest and find it's description, etc., rendered only in metric units, i.e. kg., km. Sca (talk) 22:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Why are you telling us this instead of doing something about it yourself, and how do know it's annoying? I don't feel annoyed at all. Do you mean you are personally annoyed? Would you like someone apart from yourself to change it for you so you are not annoyed? --Epipelagic (talk) 23:20, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

how do know it's annoying?

How do? Jus' fine. Sca (talk) 00:25, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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