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I see that you removed a note I added to the Columbus page due to lack of source. I since then put in a note with a source explaining that Diego Mendez de Segura was an adopted son of Colón's nephew the Count of Penamacor and that Diego was hiding his true identity in Spain as was reported in the The Hispanic American Historical Review in 1978. DAVID41 has removed this calling it vandalism. Where was the vandalism? Please explain. Furthermore he removed an image of the mayorazgo that resides at the Seville Archives showing clearly that the date was 1598 and not 1498 as all claim calling the image unnecessary. I agree that it is unnecessary to maintain the lies, but as a source and an important document to the genoese theory, it is very necessary that readers have this image available.Colon-el-Nuevo (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. I'll try to take a look at this tonight. --Macrakis (talk) 18:14, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Please unbar me sir, i have read all rule related copy right of image, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.40.199 (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
user: Excalibur1sword has made one edit which was to vandalise the Petra article. There was a bot generated vandalism warning posted at User talk:Excalibur1sword followed by a welcome message from you thanking them for their contributions. If you didn't see the warning you may want to remove your welcome message as it's giving out a rather mixed message. Richerman (talk) 23:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Btw, I looked through some of Profsherman's contributions. Did he basically out himself or were people just saying he was that person (you know which, don't want to violate WP:OUTING. It looks like it must have been the former given the COI messages. If so, I thought you handled him well (saw your interactions) considering that he came off as even more of an insufferable pompous jerk here (I have stronger language I could use, but this is your talk) than in that stupid Sci-Fi special. Not trying to flatter, just saying I like seeing people like him knocked into line (archaeologists hate people like that for making the whole science look silly). ^^ Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 05:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about artefact v. artifact; I'm conscious of most UK/US differences, but I did not remember that one. Also, much (all?) of the article uses consistent US spelling. Agreed, I did not make a conscious evaluation, but 'felt' the edit was minor due to:
'"The Dancing girl" artifact found in Mohenjo-daro' caption uses the I form and US quotes (" not '), and the article uses -ize words (notably civilization) uniformly. No -our words are in the article. (I was surprised 'colonnade' is spelt the same UK and US.) I have reinstated my edit on the basis of using consistent US spelling (and not forcing you to edit it to back for consistency); and it being easier to edit to uniform US usage than uniform UK usage. (I'm a once-in-a-while gnome, who didn't intend anything other that a minor correction.) I have zero objection if you wish to edit the article to UK usage.
Since you are a Wikipedia Admin, may I suggest that a utility be created to 'score' pages UK v. US? Then it would be easier to judge which way to alter an article.
Respectfully, Laguna CA (talk) 06:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
So not every obelisk is a symbol for that...? The reason I ask is because many have stated that the Freedom Tower looks like an obelisk. (66.116.4.100 (talk) 04:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC))
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Someone should look into this. His advanced-level familiarity with Wikipedia makes it almost certain that it's WP:Sock, I suspect this guy. Kurdo777 (talk) 12:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey Doug, if you have a moment do you think you could drop a line at Talk:Sir Lamiel? The discussion has been going on for way too long and hasn't gotten anywhere, hopefully another opinion will help it along.--Cúchullain t/c 19:52, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but an old friend I'm sure you'll remember ... well; have a look here, will you please? And compare to contribution history? I don't have the stomach to deal with this now, but I
Then there's also a recently deleted article he created about politics.
The problem with all this is that he agreed at AN/I to avoid controversial articles, replying affirmatively to "can you stick around and limit yourself to non-controversial articles (nothing remotely related to politics, religion, climate change and environment, etc."? I don't have time to review every single one of his edits, nor should anyone have to. The consensus was he shouldn't be editing in those areas, and he agreed not to. Despite warning after warning after warning, he's again completely ignored that promise. I'm not going to argue with him about it (again) while he tries to argue that his promise didn't mean what it meant, and I don't have time to deal with it now anyway. Might you be able to take it to AN/I or just deal with it directly if you think that's appropriate? Many thanks, – OhioStandard (talk) 18:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to see the topic ban formally extended to include those subjects he was asked to stay away from (including Economics, see his contribution list). I've raised it at ANI. Dougweller (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
The Oatmeal has this one covered. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 16:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
As an editor who was involved with the recent ELNO discussion, "Spam links becoming standard practice,"[1] I am inviting you to comment on the proposal to rework the definition of "Official Link".[2]
Regards, ELNO Checking (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi.
Wonder why you changed my edit in 'Timeline of religion' for Prophet Muhammad SAW from 'Messgenger' to 'founder' when all Islamic texts and doctrines put him as 'Messenger.' Is Wikipedia your personal view or an encyclopedia of information from around the world and history? Just leave the correct term according to what the Muslims state it. Its their religion, they know better about it than what you (or anyone else) decide it is/should be. Muslims reject the Prophet Muhammad SAW as the 'founder' of the Islamic faith. They consider him to be a human like everyone else, not someone who can create a religion. Describing him as a 'founder' is incorrect according to Islam. Its not about you or what you think. Its about accurate reporting.
Thanks for your time
Peace!
130.194.128.44 (talk) 08:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually I didn't, but I have now to match our article on Muhammad where discussions decided founder was correct. As an encyclopedia, we don't just accept what religious or any other groups say about themselves. Our articles have to follow what we call a neutral point of view, see WP:NPOV, not the beliefs of any religious faith. I've amended it so that it shows how Muslims consider him as well as calling him the founder. Note that the article refers to Jesus as "the central figure of Christianity". It avoids calling him 'Christ', and doesn't suggest in any way that the article is endorsing a religious viewpoint on him. Dougweller (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The extension of expansion of universe has been removed as it is a non reliable source and messy. I worked hours to make it as much a perfect. Tauhidaerospace (talk) 11:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted the amazon book and I've added google book reference. Thanks for your constructive critisism, Tauhidaerospace (talk) 16:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry, I missed your comment about joining in at ANI. Its not really my place, anyway. I'm here because T has reverted his material back in again [3] and I've reverted it out again. I think it has now become obvious that he isn't going to stop without being forced to stop; strong words will not suffice (I'm not even sure if he hears the strong words; I suspect he isn't an native speaker) William M. Connolley (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
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Hi. Thanks for dealing with that. Mayyyyybe it'll have some effect. I don't want to fall afoul of editwarring myself, but Danceking made another revert (after being warned etc), [4]. May I revert it back or should I leave it alone? → ROUX ₪ 06:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Thought you should be made aware. --Rschen7754 21:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Doug, I didn't want to derail the thread by cluttering it up with alternatives, but could you further specify the language of your first proposal in the current Terra Novus thread at AN/I? (link/permalink) If you look at this thread you'll see TN dancing all around the word "controversial".
Instead of "controversial articles and discussions" could we go with "articles and discussions in controversial topic areas or any subject in which people have, or say they have, widely differing opinions, including but not confined to economics, pseudoscience, alternate scientific theories, theories of science (including social sciences), evolution, creationism, religion, race, politics, social policy, climate change, and the environment, all broadly construed."?
I'm thinking of the problems with Heim Theory, which I'm sure you remember, the now-deleted Interpretive science, problematic edits concerning the Federal Reserve, and the push to promote the Austrian School of Economics. I'd also like to capture broad brush soapbox articles like this one in userspace. Diffs to support all the excluded areas if I have to. If you agree to the change, we could ping Ncmvocalist, Resident Anthropologist, and Mathsci (who've already !voted) to see if they'll still support the revised proposal, as I'm almost sure they would. Thanks, – OhioStandard (talk) 21:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Why did you delete the page I just put up? It is a legitimate article on the person who does exist and all the information contained therein is completely accurate and true. I know this because I am the author and subject of this article. Please advise as soon as possible Wannagonnagood (talk) 14:37, 27 May 2011 (U
Hi Doug, I've ressurected one of the most important Kharsag Epics as the debate between sheep and grain. The sourcing is all verifiable and non-fringe as far as I can tell now, with a brief discussion about Kharsag/Hursag included with due weight. I thought I'd check you'd be okay if we redirected Kharsag Epic pages there? Also, a new 2007 book seems to give a good review of some of the important O'Brien material and thought I'd run it by you to check on reliability and fringey-ness before using anywhere - Edward F. Malkowski; R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz (30 October 2007). The Spiritual Technology of Ancient Egypt: Sacred Science and the Mystery of Consciousness. Inner Traditions / Bear & Co. pp. 345–. ISBN 9781594771866. Retrieved 24 May 2011.
I'm more interested to re-create the Kharsag Epics individually, tracing their development to pair them with whatever Oxford is calling them now - as a pose to creating any new Kharsag Tablets or anything at this point. Serious academic attention is after all what I'm trying to achieve. Thanks for any help on this. Kind Regards, Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 11:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Right,
I've now become an expert at near east archaeology, it took me a while to read up and write all the wikipedia articles about the sites, archaeologists and official bodies that we need to contact to get things going.
What we need to do is to contact the people that I am gradually creating a database of on Wikipedia with a CONSTANTLY updating thesis of the Pre pottery neolithic B “megasite” that we have discovered in the Aaiha plain and temporary wetland. Linked by Edward Robinson in the 1800s to be the source of the Jordan river.
What I am doing here is completely rephrasing the O’Brien thesis into something that the mainstream of science will accept. We need to ditch the great work of Christian and move on, recognise why he didn’t get the attention he deserved but come with another angle. That of archaeology, that of science. We need to prepare a completely revised thesis, possibly leaving out ALL DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE and soley relying on the physical remains, the limestone plaster structures, photos and videos related in a totally academic way.
If we can prepare a credible archaeological thesis to present to Frederic Husseni, Danielle Stordeur, Maya Haidar Boustani, Levon Nordiguain, Pablo from the spanish Prehistoric institute of Cantabria, Bassam Jamous, Avi Gopher, Nigel Goring Morris, Frederic Abbes, Jean Perrot, Lorraine Copeland, Peter Wescombe, Paleorient, Archeorient, Colin Renfrew, Graeme Barker, Andrew Garrod, Alex Wasse, The directors and researchers at MOM, Leila Badre, Henri de Contenson, the Fernand Corby institut, JJ Ibanez, the polish team that excavated Tell Qaramel, the university of basel people, the french guy who did Tell Halula, the germans working on baalbek and others, the americans in chicago and probably many, many others I can probably mention by studying.
I can get all their e-mails. I can prepare a doctorate level thesis without even mentioning O’Brien, who has been wiped from Wikipedia as an unreliable source.
Something like this needs to be done to get the results we all want.
Further suggestions welcome.
Regards,
Paul
P.S. Am drunk, but hope you get the point of the e-mail Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 15:54, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I think there may be a spammer on the Egyptian pages. Satseshat has added a whole bunch of external links to the http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk site. See Contributions. This person was warned in 2007 about this behavior User talk:Satseshat. I don't know what to do about it. Except maybe reverting all those additions? --AB (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey Doug, I've just finished talking with this guy in the unblock channel on IRC and I think he is genuinely interested in resolving the problems that led to his block. I've set him a number of conditions for unblocking, which he's agreed to; these include mentorship and a commitment to better communication. There are more details at the bottom of his talk page (linked above), but before doing anything adminny I wanted to make sure you were ok with these conditions. I'm going to send you a log of our conversation shortly so you know what it is we discussed. Let me know what you decide, and if there's anything more you think should be added to those conditions. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't usually look at categories, but if the ones you added to van Daniken had been there at some point and were removed, any idea why they were removed? =p There are enough sources in the article to support the fact that his work falls into those categories, right? Psuedohistory is self-evident, but what about the others? I'm all for calling a duck a duck of course, but want to make sure no one can dispute his quacking. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 04:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
RE: Category:Ufologists is included in Category:Pseudoscientists. Category:Ancient astronaut speculation is part of Category:Pseudoarchaeology and Category:Pseudohistory. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
BTW, perhaps this was meant to end up on my talk page? :) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict):::That only works under ideal circumstances I believe. Sometime the sub-categories are just a partial subset of the main category. I think that's a case by case thing and it's commonsense to keep the three unless more useful ones can be found to replace them. Dougweller (talk) 05:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! just have a look at Cinema of Andhra Pradesh this article claims a few Guinness records and have sourced them, but the question is they haven't cited using a proper source. --Thalapathi (Ping Back) 05:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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How well does this work looks Dougweller (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Dear Doug,
I made a edit in a page on Abhinav Bharat, only to find it reverted because my edit was considered vandalism. I went through you link of 'what constitutes vandalism' and mine most certainly did not. I did not add anything to the article only removed a mischievous paragraph that had nothing to do with Abhinav Bharat.
The bit i removed made is a reference to some reactions that certain political parties made to accusations by a police officer against Abhinav Bharat. It is then mentioned that this officer was killed in the 26/11 Mumbai Attacks.
You may wonder why is this relevant on an article to do with said organisation - whether some fellow made some accusation, and where he died? This is a very dangerous insinuation that has been propogating through the net for a while now, by many conspiracy theorists who claim that the attacks were carried out by Hindu nationalists and are using this officers death during the attack as evidence. This is similar to the theories that zionists and americans cause 9/11 and such like. (how appropriate would it be if on an article about the democratic/ labour party, there is a line which says... so and so journalist was investigating an expose on them and guess what he was killed in 9/11)
Please do not defend such theories, mentioning where and when some officer who was on a case related died is simply horrible mischief that does not belong on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.23.75.117 (talk) 23:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
... on the help desk - makes perfect sense as soon as I read it! CaptRik (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
For answer on WQA. Missed that. The OP edit history does look very peculiar to me for a new user, but I'm thinking there's insufficient evidence for SPI. Gerardw (talk)
Hi, Can you explain why the different dates on protection vs move ?
Thanks
Mtking (talk) 10:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller. I have a concern that I don't know what to do with at the moment. Last October you blocked AbsoluteGleek92 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for not providing edit summaries. As you will see the editor is now providing them but as I go through them I find them to be, at a minimum, misleading. As you will see this editor is now using the edit summary "cleaned the page". However s/he is doing much more than that. As you can see from this edit [6] they added a chunk to the plot section, removed a pic, made genre changes and added and subtracted cats all without explanation. They were also remiss in that they did not check their work since one of the cats is a red link and one of the EL's was damaged. In this edit [7] they changed the films run time and added gross dollar info without sourcing. Having said that I should add that many of the changes that they make are good ones so I don't want to seem to be reporting only negative items. I just don't know whether the good outweighs the negative or not. I also have not had time to examine whether this editor is still causing copyright problems as expressed in the last message on their talk page from a few days ago. My problems are that I am not sure know where to go to get more eyes on this and I am about to go offline for Memorial Day fun so I don't have time to express my concerns to this editor. I apologize for dumping this on you. If you feel that I should just ignore it then I will understand. I will also understand if you don't have the time or inclination to do any followup. Thanks for your time and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 19:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
FYI. Cheers, FASTILY (TALK) 23:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I was double-checking what I did yesterday and apparently I thought a 9 was a 4, so it doesn't matter anyway. Which means the source is, once again, something User:Hrafn would not find acceptable. The link wasn't in the article I got it from and I didn't know how to find it, but I can fix that now.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Don't you find it extraordinary that, after three years as an article no larger than a stub, this article should, first, be the subject of a series of well orchestrated hoax edits and certified sockpuppetry; then, detailed involvement by an apparently unconnected editor; and then a series of edits on a specific detailed point by an equally well-informed and equally persistent new editor? Quite amazing coincidences, it seems to me. Hmmm... Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
It seems I have been dragged into this quagmire once again by my love of historical buildings and by shameful naivety - and for this I apologise. There must be something we can do about this shameless editor Stellas4lunch, who has made me look quite the fool on several occasions now; he seems to be able to evade his ban with ease and I suggest that perhaps a wider IP range block might be of use? Trumpkin (talk) 18:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
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Your citation request at the List of ancient architectural records raises an interesting point of how to deal with implicit records: in fact, no classicist I am aware of has explicitly call the Ancient Suez Canal the largest canal in Greco-Roman antiquity. Yet this must be almost certainly the case because in the text and lists they have published in the last 25 years (worked into List of Roman canals) this canal is the largest by far. So, I wonder, is it WP:SYN to treat it in List of ancient architectural records as the largest or rather not? What do you think? Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 16:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I do not speak Turkish but recently, I noted that in the Turkish wikipedia they consider the theory that the Medes were Turks (the two users pushing this viewpoint were banned once on English wikipedia but apologized and now are free: [10] and [11] I am wondering as a knowledge person in history and also as an admin, what can I do exactly? In tthe Azeri wikipedia, it is worst and they consider Medes, Atropatene, Parthians, Sumerians and etc., as Turks. Of course I do not care too much about those wikipedias (although misrepresentation of history bothers me because others might get the wrong information), but is there a place I can complain about with regards to this blatant distortion of history in other wikipedias? --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
The young user in question that you brought up before has now recreated their user page with the same information, just in an actual article format. This still isn't any better, really. SilverserenC 21:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
You appear to be the most recent admin dude I saw active so I'll bother you about this. =p Please take a look at this edit here. It seems kind of like a personal attack, or maybe just incivility, but definitely not very polite. It was after I warned him for edit warring (he kept putting in massacre after Golan Heights and that was reverted by three different editors, including myself, but stopped short of the magic number, four. In his last reversion he gave a dictionary definition as his source of info) and gave a long list of diffs for reasons of pointing out that he probably should not be involved in editing anything Jew or Israel-related.
By the way, you wouldn't happen to know why his name has that weird colour would you? It's not the same shade of red as the others. I thought it was something with my comp screen, but it's actually a different colour of red, even in the revision history. Oddly enough my browser slows down whenever I look at any changes he has made to the encyclopedia in diffs. It is very strange and I am only getting it for his stuff. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 01:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much Doug for your assistance and advice.
Is the page I have searchable by the BBC template do you think or do I need to write to the encyclopedia when I can cite more cites of reference
Thanks for your advice on my talk page re COI. My understanding is that the subject of a page is allowed to make changes where there are factual inaccuracies (in my case, that I left one party and become a member of another which is not true and has been posted on a number of occasions by editors who cite no source). Is it not correct that I can remove downright lies about me? I have always made my identity clear when making such changes. If I am not allowed to make such changes, then who can I ask to do that? Also, I am writing on your talk page rather than mine because, as you will see from previous edits to my talk page, somebody has deliberately altered my comments to make them say the opposite of what I have said. I figure they won't get away with that so easily on your page. Your advice on the above would be appreciated. Rsgrayson (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2011 (UTC)RsgraysonRsgrayson (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your advice!! 94.13.3.105 (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)Rsgrayson94.13.3.105 (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I know it's not outing when they register under their own name, but let's just let everyone do the same Googling we did, instead of pointing them to specific instances. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:02, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
What I’ve tried to do in Talk:Kosovo was just a way to talk about the nocive POV-forking that is happening, with editors claiming to not defend political interests when, in fact, they are doing so.
All the info I’ve posted was not offences, inside info or something like that; all I’ve said could be found in Wikipedia itself.--189.33.174.222 (talk) 19:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering why you'd hidden the content of a number of posts on Talk:Kosovo - see [13]. I've not seen this done before, and I'm not really sure what your motivation was. Please enlighten me. Thanks, Bazonka (talk) 07:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Which parts I added are unsourced content? every thing I added has adequate sources. If you have any problem with my sources talk in discussion page.P. Pajouhesh (talk) 11:34, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
for starting I answer to his reasons here:
I rewrite some parts of the article. then you come and discuss about that. if it's not adequate. then tell me to correct that. thank for your attentionP. Pajouhesh (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
I see on this user's talk page and elsewhere that you're monitoring him. Weird spate of edits earlier this evening (my time) at Jimbo's talk page. Judging by their contribs, could be a disruption-only troll account. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug, I guess I should have noticed this before but I am an infrequent contributor to Wikipedia but I would like to learn how to do it properly.
In 2009 I made an edit to the page for Seven Seals in which I pointed out a mention of the term in a song by Bruce Cockburn. You removed it with the comment that I "probably didn't want to do that" and then provided this information about the change.
"removing editor's signature and a promotional edit about the future release (perhaps now past) of a song, fix wikilink) (undo)"
I'm not sure what you meant by promotional edit about a future release. The song has been published for many years. I believe the information that I provided fits in the context of the other entries on the page.
Can you tell me what problem exists with the edit I made?
Thanks for all you do for Wikipedia, Glen Gatin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gating (talk • contribs) 03:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for my belated explanations. I've put my word here [17]. Thanks! --Commander (Ping Back) 07:20, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug. I watch a few articles that the above users have edited, and IP 86 is back, with a personal attack here in the edit summary. I have no idea what I should do here, but I thought I would inform an admin that knew the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Milton_%28author%29&action=historysubmit&diff=433950060&oldid=433926317 , Oh if this is the incorrect approach I apologize in advance. Thanks Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Can you explain me why you see my contribution as vandalism ? Zaza is Kurdish ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diyako2000 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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As we have started the 24 hour clock on the Racepacket case, I would appreciate a response regarding my inquiry at the talk page. Thank you. Hasteur (talk) 01:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
It appeared to be just random nonsense, placed above the TOC, with no constructive criticism, or specifics, by an Anon. HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
Thanks for reminding me of that. I suggest we discuss merger on the article's talk page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm not sure what is wrong with my user name. It is in fact a reference to the Clunge Ambler in Flanimals the children's book by Ricky Gervais. However, there are clearly some filthy minded pedants on Wikipedia who read filth in to everything and take offence when none is meant. I am aware I could contest the blocking. Nevertheless, as I'd rather not inadvertently offend anyone, I have magnanimously decided to put in a request to chance my name to EditMonkey. I trust this negates any objections and unintended offence that may of inadvertently been caused. --ClungeLover69 (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)--EditMonkey (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I saw in the history it was redirected a few months ago, but no reason was given, so I cleaned up the article from the last point before the redirect (which was your edit from 10:57, 30 January 2011) and placed an unreferenced section tag on the history section without any refs. Because no reason for the redirect was given and before the redirecting edit no copyvio tags were in place I wasn't aware it had a copyvio issue. I reverted your redirect, since it appears only the history section has copyvio issues, I simply removed the copied content until it can be added properly. Bhockey10 (talk) 05:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
[18] I could have sworn you gave him a level 4 warning about making PAs. You may fire when ready (what better quote is there?) Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 19:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not a newbie editor Doug, I know what constitutes a major and minor edit, so kindly babysit someone else. If you want an explanation for it, I most likely hit "rollback" on that guy's statement which I believe automatically marks it a minor edit. The statement is a personal opinion not backed up any cited facts - what you have there is what I call a one-hit wonder vandal, (so-called because 90% it's their one and only edit ever on Wikipedia) who added his/her 2-cent take on the series and it doesn't belong there at all - not even with a "citation needed" tag. It clearly violates NPOV, and even if they did find a reference then it needs to be placed in a properly labeled "criticism" or "reviews" section. So if they do happen to find a reliable, credible source worth citing, then they put their comment there. Until then, I consider such edits vandalism - plain and simple - because it's put there only to cause problems. These one-hit wonder editors are suspicious to begin with which is another reason I call it vandalism. They have an agenda. I also know you don't like this particular series - I've read your comments on it before, and if it were up to you you'd delete the article or else significantly mar it with negative commentary. Since I spent a lot of time on that article I'm not tolerating BS like that. Cyberia23 (talk) 12:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Would you please take care of this request?--Penom (talk) 05:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Probably he abused Twinkle. I explained potential abuse too. It seems that editing religion related articles and trying to add academic POV is not easy in WP :) Penom (talk) 06:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I hoped it might brighten the guy's day or get him to laugh. Did you even watch it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
No problem about adding Edinburgh. I added a few more English and Scottish cities finding - looking into welsh and Northern Irish ones as well but evidence of continuous habitation is difficult to find. Please feel free to let me know if you think any of my additions are not warranted or erroneous.
Best
Editmonkey --EditMonkey (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Are on the Equations keyboard, right to the left of the <. --NellieBlyMobile (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I need to consult you as you are an experienced editor. I have a question regarding NPOV in religion related topics. How can formulate NPOV and give weight to academic and religious views? Based on the number of publications on that topic? or based on the number supporters of a certain POV?
Good catch at Nine-dotted line. I read about four sentences of that before my copyvio senses started tingling. - 2/0 (cont.) 22:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your warning but actually that is not edit-warring. I had a valid reason to remove the newly created section in the article. I had already started a discussion at the admin board.--AlimNaz (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug. Short answer to your question is not really. I'll have a look at it.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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Yes, it's sometimes better to address these things rather than try to ignore them. I've started a thread at Talk:Bilderberg Group#Logan Act. Will Beback talk 08:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh my, I didn't realize my little message had actually been seen my anybody before I had decided to remove it hahaha. Apologies for coming off so harshly. Anyway, I am a stickler about grammar myself and I agree, I did not quite like the way I had worded it...and although I usually somehow manage to grammatically perfect everything I type, I was unable to do so in this case; let me post the paragraph here, and you tell me what you think needs to be changed, or simply re-post the paragraph the way you think it should be worded, if you don't mind. Thanks (also you must forgive me, I am relatively new to communicating with other members on Wikipedia...that is not to say I am new to the site, but mostly I either do research or edit little facts here and there, I haven't done much talking so bear with me I guess if I make a mistake or am unfamiliar with site etiquette, thanks)
" One of the main issues surrounding the group (particularly in conspiracy circles) is that it has been speculated by some[1][2] that for American elected officials and politicians to attend Bilderberg meetings is a violation of the Logan Act, which prohibits unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments, and that their attending is thus treason against the United States (their interpretation of the Act being that it prohibits any citizen from secretly meeting/negotiating with politicians of foreign governments). However, these claims do not hold much weight, due to the ambiguity and broad nature of the text of the Act. Also, many would argue that the very nature of being an elected official qualifies one as an "authorized citizen" under the Act. There is no record of any convictions, or even prosecutions, under the Logan Act.[3] "
Any ideas?
User:Psychonaut25 7:13 AM EST, 22 June 2011
Hi,
Ding! Ding! He is involved edit warring with different users and keep deleting sourced materials. Please just count the number of reverts. Alsohe adds his POV (changing non-Muslim views to claims, purported, alleged,...). I tried to discuss the issues but he fails to cooperate. If you are not interested in such topics. Could you please refer me to another admin who is interested in Islamic topic.--Penom (talk) 02:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
EditMonkey (talk · contribs), even after his name change, still seems to be creating problems. The message about Anglo-Saxon propaganda on his talk page is just one example of that. The rest can be seen in almost all of his contributions. Mathsci (talk) 05:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I am sorry to see that clearly have some sort of vendetta against me. If you have something to say please say it to my face. It is a poor show that you don't even give me a chance to defend myself form your accusations. Incidental the Anglo-Saxon comment was meant as joke to lighten the mood of the serious message welcome message I have been forced to put on 'My' talk page, due to the harassment I have been experiencing. Even if it was not a joke I do not see what is wrong with asking people to refrain form putting far right, Anglo-Saxon or any other kind of Propaganda on 'My' talk page. However, As you, for some reason, have objected to it I have now removed it. All you had to do was ask me in a nice way and I would have done - is that to much to ask.
Yours Sincerely,
EditMonkey EditMonkey (talk) 11:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller,
Please take the time to read all this shebang I have especially typed for you!!!
I got a message from you stating I have been in an edit war. I would like to state a few things to clarify the situation. I have been late i n my reply because of engagements in real life. Copying from wiki articles: I object to this. I research with professors, PhD scholars and other contributors. This research takes months and months. The end result is well researched and reference backed material that is genuine, free of errors and bias. In this regard, I created the article Afghana after about seven months of research, collecting both previous researches and adding some new. I first put this work in the article Pashtun people, with all the references. However, there are people who do not appreciate such work because of certain biases they hold. As you know, research especially about past nations and people is bound to much bias that needs to be stated even if some people dont like it. History is as it as, changing it for certain whims is a deliberate wrong which I abhor. Certain users tried to delete that research work which took months on end. Maintaining a watch over the page, I clarified some of their queries as you can see in the talk page. Unfortunately, they couldnt reply in any worthy manner so they (in this case the user AlimNaz) deleted all that research work in one go. I undid it and put an explanation for it. He reverted the whole deletion citing the wrong reason of it being mentioned in the article Pashtun people. I invited him to the talk page and asked a senior editor (MatthewVanitas) to help me out as I didnt want to engage in useless bickering.
What saddens me is that, he couldnt provide a single reference for his statements and deletions in wiki articles and got his way still. Furthermore, going over his contributions to wikipedia, I can get a sense of his intentions. I am afraid understanding where he comes from and what he intends with his edits would require for you to belong to that region (South Asia) and know a few things about the sects and ethnic complexities, which I do.
Anyways, I had to create a completely new page i.e. Afghana because: 1) The research I did for it was lengthy enough and the person in case important to Afghan history enough to deserve a separate page. 2) To save genuine research material from people like AlimNaz or Lysozym who have ethnic, cultural or personal biases.
I dont expect you to accept my views but I can assure you what I contribute to wikipedia is the end result of long and hard research that has taken months and years. I wanted to put the names of the professors and scholars I work with in real life, the Afghan historians and Afghans themselves but it would serve no end and only put their personal details onto the net.
Please reply, I would love to hear from you, even though you are very busy. This reasrch and the other stuff I contribute, medical or otherwise is important to me because I love wikipedia and its aim and I love my people. I have had to take time from my hospital duties for this research work and collected it from 5-6 countries and dozens of people.
Thank you!! Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 18:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I really don't care if you are going to block me or not. If you are going to block me, I request that you delete my user page. Thank you in advance.
Doug, this page and its subarticles (Vadakalai and Thenkalai) are part of a long standing but unattended dispute. The crux of the matter is which of the two sub-sects can lay the claim to being holier than thou! I protected the page and have asked the editors to start discussing (the revert war has now been going on for over two years or so). I've also asked a couple of hitherto uninvolved editors (who have some knowledge about the subject) to look into it and participate in the discussion. Would be happy if you can help out by using your bullshit-meter on sourcing and synth issues. I'm not involved in the dispute, I'm just trying to get a starting point to clear it. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 12:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hello. Just letting you know I have requested for more information on this page. Thanks. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 10:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. They are probably different people who followed a call on an internet forum dedicated to the revival of the Old Hungarian script. --Tgr (talk) 17:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller
Few days ago i published a text in section greek pyramid,in which Liritzis with an article answered to lefkowitz about the pyramiid in hellinikon,Greece. This text blogged, and now there is only one line refers to the text. In my opinion it's unfair, because there is a detailed refer to the opinion of Lefkowitz and only one line for Liritzi's opinion!! I will re-add the text and i hope to be a more detailed refer to my article!!
thanks Dimitris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.233.249.233 (talk) 11:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Doug, I've posted some comments on Armaiti's additions at Talk:Cyrus Cylinder#Material from Armaiti. I'd be interested to know what you think. Prioryman (talk) 20:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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Would you consider page protecting the article Timur? It appears to be going through a slow edit war from what I can tell, with no attempt at discussion. Thanks. Oh, and as for the Zaza people article, I do not have a preference one way or another. I would have to read through all the references to get an idea what they say. Thanks again. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
I've offered an ALT1 on the talk page regarding the discussion deleted from this article, renaming the section Later use with a new source to back it up. Let me know if that seems acceptable now. Cheers. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 06:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
DougWeller you state verbatim: "this is being discussed on the talk page, please don't just rv, let's try to get a consensus without insults." And then you perform an edit without gaining consensus! Sorta seems suspicious. Please explain your actions. GoetheFromm (talk) 19:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I was working on the article, I've corrected it now. Regards, Street Scholar (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I tried to improve the article Rovas Script Family. If there is any imperfection in this article, please, let me know. Thanks for reviewing this article. Rovasscript (talk) 08:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
THe originator of the page blanked it himself. I'd be happy to follow DBachmann's advice, redirect it to Old Hungarian and lock it permanently. See also new entries on my Talk page. -- Evertype·✆ 10:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller thank you for the warm welcome. It is obvious from most Sources that the Zazaki Speakers actually consider themselves Kurdish and are also considered ethnically as Kurds even by linguists which consider Zazaki to be a separate language like Paul Ludwig. You can read it in his own written book. Thats why I actually think it is by far closer on the reality to write "most zaza consider themselves as Kurds" or at least "they are ethnically considered as Kurds". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 13:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Your right the article doesen´t point "most" but the article talks about " The Zaza ". If you are fine with this, than I would like to change the Article from "A large number of speakers of the Zaza language actually consider themselves Kurds." to " The zaza are ethnically considered as Kurds." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 14:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
About the Article making Zazaki clearly not a kurdish language. This has only a small contribute on the Zaza People as Ethnic Group. The article is about the Zaza People and there is already an article about the Zaza language. Ironically on both articles the linguist point is given much more importance.Wikisupporting (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer. Well like I mentioned before. No one is arguing about the Zazaki language being Kurdish or not even while this is still on debate. The Article confirms my claim that most Zaza actually consider themselves as Kurds and are considered ethnically(linguistic is only one point of the ethnic heritage) as Kurds and are still counted as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 13:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I could find you some Articles from famous ethnologists considering the Zaza ethnically as Kurdish. Would this help you? The Reason why I am so in changing this is cause I myself am a ethnic Zaza and beside some groups in the diaspora there are almost no Zaza in Turkey promoting Zaza Nationalism. Only Zaza which see themselves ethnically as Kurds or due assimilation as Turks. I know my words are not a source so I can understand if you don´t take them to serious.Wikisupporting (talk) 14:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
No Problem I will try my best. Give me some time I will find the sources together and than first notify you about it. The Reason why I edited so much is because I am new here and didn´t knew how else I could change something on the article. I can also find you articles which split the Kurdish languages into two categories one being Zaza-Gorani another the Kurmanci-Sorani Group. The Reason is because the languages are named after the People. If the People are considered Kurds than automatically the Language is considered as Kurdish too this is my believe and how I learned it. Thank you once again for your help.Wikisupporting (talk) 14:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller. Like promised here are some Sources.
I quote some parts.
"This makes it necessary for me to state at the outset precisely whom I mean when in this article I use the ethnic label "Kurds". For pragmatic reasons I use a rather loose and wide definition, including all native speakers of dialects belonging to the Iranic languages Kurmanji or Zaza,"
This is the linguist part. I think we both agree that Zazaki is not a dialect of Kurmanji but a language.
"as well as those Turkish speaking persons who claim descent from Kurmanji or Zaza speakers and who still (or again) consider themselves as Kurds"
These are the Zaza and Kurmanj from which I told you who are partly assimilated (linguistically ) but still consider themselves Kurdish.
"if any, Kurmanji speakers understand Zaza, but most Zaza speakers know at least some Kurmanji. Virtually all Zaza speakers consider themselves, and are considered by the Kurmanji speakers, as Kurds."
This is exactly the Point I am referring to. Beside among some Diaspora Groups there is no Zaza which does not consider himself Kurdish but only Zaza and I have never seen a sources claiming the opposite. Thats why we should change the Article about Zaza into "Zaza are a Group which ethnically considered themselves as Kurds.
I have some books written by famous ethnologist, linguists and journalists like Dr. Ferdinand Hennerbichler and Mehrdad Izady. I will share them too after I found the exact part about Zazaki speaking Kurds — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 12:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Here is another Source. The author of the book is Ludwig Paul a linguist and ethnologist who claims Zazaki as a independent language but considers them ethnically as Kurds. He also mentions that the Zaza consider themselves as Kurds.
page 386.
" Die Mehrzahl der Sprecher des Zazaki bezeichnet sich heute als Kurden und hält ihre Sprache für einen kurdischen Dialekt."
translated
"The majority of the Zazaki Speakers today call themselves Kurds and consider their language as a kurdish Dialect.
Wikisupporting (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello dear Dougweller. Do you know who did change the part from ethnic kurdish Group to Parthian ethnic Group and removed all Sources showing this? And were is any scientific source claiming Zaza being a ethnic Parthian Group? I even added Sources from paul Ludwig a famous linguist who wrote in his book, I quote "The Zaza and Kurmandji Kurds form a unity and it is wrong to split them from the kurdish identity". This is Vandalism deleting scientific sources without Reason.
I see it was the User http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Erdemaslancan
He did delete all of my sources without any Reason he didn´t even gave a statement about this. Isn´t this Vandalism? how can he delete scientific Sources without Reason. There is no single Source connecting Parthians with Zaza only some Sources pointing out similarities with them. And also the Source he uses (Iranica) is pointing on only that the Zaza are a Iranian People but this Iranian refers to a wider sense and means the linguistic family Group to which also the Kurmanji Kurds belong. Thats why I wrote "the Zaza are a ethnic Kurdish group of Iranian origin " and this is pretty much the Case. You can be Iranian Group and Kurdish as well. Just like you can be a Swedish person of Germanic origin.
And also his Source doesen´t say anything about Zaza being not Kurdish. It even confirms me that they are called Kurds and distinguished from other Kurds. Still they literally are called Kurds and this is the main Point.
See here
"The Armenian term Kʿrder, literally “Kurds"
paragraph three
http://www.iranica.com/articles/dimli
So if you want we could also change the article into, "The Zaza are a ethnic Iranian Group which are referred as Kurds".
He uses a source also pointing out that Zaza are called Kurds by their neighbors and still changes ethnic kurdish Group to "Parthian Group" while in his own source there is no single sentence talking about Zaza being Parthians.
the User Erdemaslancan is from Turkey. I don´t want to claim something against him but if you know the political issues with Kurds and Turkey you can much assume that he only has a political Agenda. otherwise he wouldn´t delete two times, 9 acknowledged sources of linguists and ethnologists by only one Source which is used to be Iranica another Encyclopedia and not a scientific Person.
Here are the points which made me suspicious about "Erdemaslancan"´s intentions.
1. He changes my part of the Text from "ethnic Kurdish" into ethnic Partian. first of all. The Group is called Parthians and not Partian.
2. He deletes all of the Sources I linked to(9 in number) which many of them are scientific and puts one Source against it. One of my Sources is Paul Ludwig whom is one of the main Sources of the whole article. So it is somehow wrong to delete some parts of HIS works while mentioning other parts (like the linguistic part) made by him.
3. He uses this article from Iranica as a Source for his claim Zazas being of Parthian descend while in the whole article there is not one sentence mentioning anything like Zaza being a Parthian Group.
4. Even if Tthe Parthians were their ancestors. Still they would have nothing to do with the recent identity of Zaza because the Parthians are a ancient Group. It makes as much sense as saying "Tuscans are not Italian, they are of Roman origin"
5. That he used a source where there is no mentioning of Zazas being descend from Parthians to make the Zaza look like descend from them, shows me that the only thing he might be after was vandalism. Vandalism usually benefits them. They know that cause usually the Article is closed and they got what they wanted. It is not in his interests to contribute something to Wikipedia otherwise he wouldn´t have simply delete scientific sources and added a source he most probably didn´t even red himself before and only changed one part of the whole article. And this was the kurdish part.
6. Even in his Source there is no mentioning of Zaza being Kurdish or not. Funnily there is one time mentioned that they were called Kurds even if they were distinguished from other Kurds (probably due the language/linguistic) but still they were considered and called Kurds.
7. The Article is about Zaza being a Iranian People. This isn´t wrong but at the same time this doesen´t meant that they aren´t Kurds. Because the Kurdish Group also belongs to the Iranian family. For more details see the Iranian languages article.
The whole thing at least for me seems like this. The User who edited the article just wanted to make Chaos (Vandalism) So the article gets closed.
I am sorry if I sound a bit too emotional. But it is really exasperating to see some People having the opportunity to making their politics over my People and get away with it.
I hope this Problem will be solved.
hope to hear from you. Have a nice day.Wikisupporting (talk) 13:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Well thanks for the advice. but first could you change the article back like it was before the User Erdemaslancan did edit it because he did remove sources without any evidence and I think the wrong version is protected because no where in the article is mentioned that Zaza are a ethnic partian group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 21:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. Thats what I thought. Nothing useful to contribute on Wikipedia. He is just trying to make his political Agenda work here. I think I will change the Article to "the Zaza are a Iranic Group which are ethnic- and culturally referred as Kurds", because this is also the Case on his Source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 07:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Now I did change the article. And I even used one of Erdemaslancans added sources to it. If you want you can protect it now. As I have already reported the User Erdemaslancan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 08:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I see you have given a stament on the "Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts" board.
The reason why some users come and remove sources and try to prove the Zaza not being ethnically Kurdish is because of politics. Many Turks and some assimilated diaspora Zaza try to change the Zaza article by using the linguistic issue as a reason to claim the Zaza as a separate group. This is only a issue since the political movement of Kurds developed in Turkey. So I beg you if next time someone removes or adds new Source to claim Zaza ethnically as non kurdish. Please make sure if the source is making this statement about Zazaki and kurdish using linguistic issues or is talking about Zaza being not Kurds in ethno-cultural way because this makes really a difference and people usually equate linguistic with ethnicity/identity while this is not the case. This is also the reason why some of the people having a political agenda were unfortunately so successfully in Wikipedia. They use the linguistic part as a way to create a new identity and try so to split the Kurds from inside and weak the political movement in Turkey. Thats why it are usually users from Turkey or sometimes Germany (where the Turks are the biggest minority) are involved in this. This whole issue is based on politics. The best examples that a language doesen´t makes a identity are the Afghans, Swiss, Indian, Chinese. What makes a identity is not the language. We all know that a language is called after its people and not the other way around. The most important thing in forming a identity are history, culture snd all over it the self-designation in my opinion and not only the language . I can be a perfect German speakers this wouldn´t change my identity if I consider myself as a Kurd.
Hope I could give you at least a small picture about the political issue going on in Turkey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 13:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Sorry but what is an RFC? Dougweller he started a discussion with him on the talk page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zaza_people#Neutrality
I asked him 4 times for sources for his claim but he didn´t answered instead of that he accused me of things I haven´t done. Than he started to constantly remove my sources and replace them with sources talking about linguistic position of Zazaki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 08:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Ah Ok my fault didn´t saw you have posted above. Well OI will look what this RFC is. Wikisupporting (talk) 09:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I have red the article about "RFO" but to be serious I didn´t understand how this works exactly. Could you if you have some time try to explain me this function. It doesen´t have to be now or today if you have some time i will be glad about this.
However I think I might edit the Zaza article opening into the Zaza consider themselves as Kurds instead of are Kurds and are counted as such by ethnologists I think this seems less "nationalistic" for some Users who can´t live with the reality that Zaza belong and consider themselves as Kurds.Wikisupporting (talk) 09:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
ok thank you for the help. Well like i mentioned. The user takabeg is accusing me for "kurdish nationalism" just because i used scientific sources and asked him to do so too. however he didn´t gave any sources but accused me for things i haven´t done. Than when I have gone offline . he changed the article permanently even while he couldn´t give me any reason why this should have been made. He removed all articles which were about the ethnicity of zaza and their self designation and added sources about the linguistic issue again which are already used in the linguistic part. And when I asked him why he did this and changed the article back. He just gave me a joke like answer and kept going to edit the article.
Here is the discussion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zaza_people#Neutrality Wikisupporting (talk) 09:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Dougweller please help me. The User Takabeg has reported the article to another admin by claiming I am making a edit war and the admin is from Japan has probably not much knowledge about the Issue. He removed all of the Sources. Could you please talk to him. He said if you do confirm that I wans´t doing a edit war he would change it back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami#Hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 13:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Somebody reverted my last edit in this article. However, it was supported it by many third party references, and the content was important for the article. This article is under AfD. If I want to avoid the deletion, it is reasonable to improve it. I already deleted all the references to my own works. What is the problem with my contributions? This is the civilized solution: reverting my edits? I trust in your objectivity and the due process of the Wikipedia. Thanks, Gabor -Rovasscript (talk) 12:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller. In the article Zaza people, one user committed vandalism 1, 2 with removing sourced information. Becuase formerly I have been interested in this issue, I know that there are several theses and theories about their ethnic identity and language, and furthermore, political propaganda of the Turkish government and Kurdish nationalis' are continuing over Zaza people. But I didn't want to edit that articel, because I don't like edit wars. However, yesterday I investigated those soruces (like at the article Timur) as follows (from 1 to 10, some of them are not Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources):
Kurds according to ethnologists and also consider themselves as such. [1][2][3] [4] [5][6][7][8][9][10]
After reating them, I tried to improve the article by WP:NPOV. User tried to prove one theory (Kurdish nationalists' one) by his/her own POV. So he/she used sources inaccurately with his/her own explanation. When you have a time you can control sources. Anyway, for now how can we stop his vandalism ? Have a nice weekend. See you. Takabeg (talk) 09:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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All sources which were added before are shown and no one of us did remove them unlike you. You are just not able to separate linguistic from ethnicity and this is your problem not mine. And for the for the hundredth time. I did not remove sources which already existed I only replaced the link with a other showing exactly the same source. And those sources also were added by me and about a study saying us that Zaza consider themselves as Kurds. Why should I remove a sources which actually is supporting me?
And beside that you did remove sources not me.
I already explained all of this here. And i don´t want to do it again just because you don´t want to understand it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zaza_people#Neutrality
Wikisupporting (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
Yes. I understand your concern about use of userspace, perhaps I shouldn't be using Wikipedia sandbox to put together a paper. That is what I am doing, putting a presentation together that could conceivably become an internet meme oneday. I am in breach of crystal ball rules but do those apply to sandboxes? You might have to guide me, is there a rule against that? I'm sure you'll know better than me so hope the tags you provided will be sufficient not to inhibit this side-project. I will bow to your knowledge of the rules on the matter however. I purchased a book called "Archaeology of Lebanon" from LLC books today and it was simply a book of Wikipedia articles. I think I have written more about the actual archaeology of Lebanon on here than was in the book! This is going to be really tricky if the hypothesis proves true that there was a single domestication event for emmer and barley by a single human group in the Aaiha plain. I see it as working within the ethos of Wikipedia however and my work on that page will certainly create some great new articles as offshoots to fascinate you with, like Iraq Ed-Dubb next with some interesting transitional wheat and barley dates around 9250 BCE in nothern Jordan. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 21:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I reverted you, I have access to the Moorehead article.... --Nuujinn (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Dearest Doug
OnBook of Genesis, someone has put a hatnote up the top telling careless readers that if they type in Gen they'll be taken to a page about a book in the bible, instead of, say, a page about a certain military rank. In my view anyone lazy enough to type in Gen and hit Return gets what he deserves and vice versa, bit given this is apparently an issue in some quarters, would it not be better to send careless tappers to a disambiguation page? I have no idea how this is done, so I thought I'd hand it over to you, since I know you have tons of free time. PiCo (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hi. It seems that you are new to the debate, so allow me to brief you very briefly: the discussion has been dragging on since April, with three major votes each of which has established a majority of users which is not content with the current title and scope respectively. On the other hand, there has not been a clear majority for a change of these, either. The main effects have been the establishment of separate Pakistani and IVC lists, which, with the main issue unresolved now as much as then, unsettled. Clearly, the article is a classic example of lack of consensus to change something not being equivalent to consensus to keep it.
Basically, I am telling you this article needs attention and clear direction of an admin, otherwise you are wasting your time if you still try to establish consensus by talk. It is not possible, you will see. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller. It is now almost over a Week since the Zazaki Article was closed/protected and the RFO has started. Since than not one single Source was posted which could refute mine. the User Takabeg himself has since than not even posted one single source or made himself any work to support his claims. In contrary some Users even posted sources which supported my view that all or almost all Zaza consider themselves Kurds. For more information please see the discussion page of the article under sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zaza_people#a_couple_sources
In my opinion again a Zaza Nationalist was able to create chaos just that the article get closed under the "protection" banner and again be successful with his not supported "evidences".
If the article is not going to be changed back to my version. I beg you see the sources and at least change the part with "many Zaza actually consider themselves as Kurds" to "almost all/the large majority" or let me edit the article this time I give you my word I will not even mentioned that they are ethnically Kurdish. I will simply write that almost all consider themselves as such because this is supported by all sources which talks about this issue. I still can´t understand how his claims are taken seriously. The only thing he did was, going around from Admin board to Admin board accuse me for vandalism even the Admin Kwami recognized this and already admonished him
I hope to hear from you when you have the time because this article and issue is important for me but it seems for the User takabeg, who seems to have a connection with turkey it is almost only a "political issue" where he doesen´t even makes himself work to bring up the sources to support his claims which he made all over the discussion boards. He seems just to be happy that the article was again blocked and this was his only goal it seems. Wikisupporting (talk) 13:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Dear Doug (If I may? Am I right that this is you first name?). Thanks so very much for your help with this rather silly but ugly situation - and, also, for your thoughtful and informed comments. I am so relieved. You have been most kind indeed. Cheers and loads of best wishes are flowing your way from Beijing this morning. John Hill (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks so much for stepping in and resolving a potentially nasty situation - I am very grateful for your skilled assistance. John Hill (talk) 02:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC) |
Hi again Doug, It's been a long time, but I see that you've moved up from moderating sci.arch. to moderating Wikipedia. Congratulations!
With respect to the COI question you raised about my contribution to the Venus of Hohle Fels, I just wanted to tell you that, in accordance with WIKI guidelines, I added a notice to my user page announcing that I have a COI because I've published articles on this and the entries I've edited. Since I'm relatively new to this, however, I'm not sure whether doing so allows me to now edit entries that I do have a COI in, or whether publishing in a field -- paradoxically and seemingly illogically -- prevents people from editing entries in that field?
In either case, the articles I wrote were refereed and published in reputable journals by specialists who evidently saw some value in the views I was espousing. But it appears that many of the people who edited the same entries I did -- in some cases redacting or entirely removing my additions -- never published anything on these subjects, deducibly because they have relatively little or no expertise in those fields.
I should note that the position I added to the Venus of Hohle Fels is the subject of a forthcoming "Brief Communication" in "Nature" questioning Nicholas Conard's and Paul Mellars's conclusion that the Venus of Hohle Fels was sculpted to depict a headless woman as a "fertility" symbol. Berlant (talk) 11:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)Berlant
I also think 'ancient mycologists' is an anachronism, how widely used is the phrase? Dougweller (talk) 12:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me, Doug -- especially with an open mind and links to the WIKI guidelines I need to become familiar with.
As I admittedly do have a tendency to write assertively, I often qualify my assertions, and did in this case, with the phrase "arguably, if not certainly." I believe, however, that I am familiar enough with the world view of the people who have contributed to and edited the entry for "Entheogen" to surmise that they'll consider my addition thought provoking, as opposed to "too assertive." But, if anyone does question it, I'd be more than happy to discuss it with him or her, and redact it if necessary.
As for the phrase 'ancient mycologists', I don't think it's either widely used or anachronistic in that (1) a mycologist is simply someone who studies fungi, (2) 'ancient' refers to the period before 476 BPE, and (3) an ancient mycologist is thus anyone (e.g., Pliny The Elder) who was studying fungi before that date. If anything, I suppose I could have been more specific by using 'prehistoric' or 'prototypal', instead of 'ancient,' but, imo, the point is moot.
Hopefully, however, the people who read it won't be as semantically focused as you are :-), and none of my future edits will take up as much of your time as these did. Take care! Berlant (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC) Berlant
Forget something important? Prodego talk 17:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. I have reworded the entry, added some more info and provided references. Cheers, --Phagopsych (talk) 17:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Don't know if you've ever followed links to this site or not, [21], but I'm growing increasingly uncomfortable with them. I've read thru a few of their articles and quit a few of them push fringe theories, usually involving a Mexican origin for the Mississippian cultures of Georgia. In fact it seems to be a pervasive thread that runs thru the majority of their articles that I have looked at. This is a theory that I believe has no acceptance in academia and is a debunked fringe theory at best. They have plenty of useful info otherwise, lots of neat graphics, etc, but their focus on this idea bothers me. What are your thoughts on it? Heiro 12:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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I believe the correct source is a Don Luis G. Iza, see for example page 307 of this 1884 book. I honestly have no idea whether the "G" stands for "Goatherd", but I have corrected the article and added this reference. Thanks for bringing this to my attention! Best, Btyner (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that you removed the photograph from the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service, I had a feeling it was an hoax photograph but couldn't prove it. If there was an OTRS sent or somewhere they made the complaint as I'll be listing the photograph for DR on Commons. Bidgee (talk) 09:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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I see you are an administrator. That is a bit of a shock. But no matter. I have other things to do than to spend my time on Wikipedia. Cheers. Enjoy. pietopper (talk) 18:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey buddy, could you please semi-protect the Microfinance article? If you glance at the history, you'll see a ton of edits by IP 122.165.30.38 persistently adding an external link to promote a Microfinance software solutions company that is neither notable nor relevant to the article. Numerous people have been reverting his additions, yet he persists. Cheers, John Shandy` • talk 05:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, "Republic of Texas (group)" and another, "Legal status of Texas" has been proposed for a merge with Texas Secession Movement. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Otr500 (talk) 05:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Im just trying to find people to read my article and edit it. I don't care who. If you'd be willing to help. That'd be awsome. THanks for telling me.SteveMooreSmith3 (talk) 05:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I notice that in June you commented at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/archive1#Resolution_3 that there might be a case to take the issue of Thisthat2011 to RFC/U. I have no idea if that happened but note that the contributor is causing issues at Talk:Kurmi, Talk:Romila Thapar, Wikitalk:India and numerous other talk pages (including my own).
His/her edits are consuming vast amounts of time that other people (including me - yes, I am involved) could be spending doing something that actually benefits the project. Is RFC/U the only way to deal with this? The user has had numerous warnings since May but nothing seems to be sinking in. - Sitush (talk) 10:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Just for information, I have mentioned some of the comments here at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics.-MangoWong (talk) 11:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug. There was an error in the "Tree shaping " close, such that the section Arbitrators active on this case no longer shows the active arbs for that case. Paul August ☎ 16:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Note that there is a discrepancy in the number of active arbs listed in the ACA template: 15 active, 2 inactive (Chase me, and Xeno), and the PD page: 13 active arbs. Which is correct? Paul August ☎ 17:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller, thanks for the info at my talk page. Just had a discussion at the Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests about listing a book of a special collection of wiki articles in the "See also" section. It seems, the Wiki rules forbid that. It is a pity because that book is more then just listing the articles. It bounds together related articles that are not linked within Wiki and that is new information and good synergism. Anyway, it seems, nothing can be done. Thanks, Fluctuator (talk) 14:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
You're right, not technically vandalism. But see burden of evidence. --StormCommander (talk) 20:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, this is the umpteenth time you have modified my edits. Now, you being the more diversified editor, I respect your right, but if this continues, I might feel specifically targeted. If memory serves right, this began when the user AlimNaz wildly targeted and edited various pages and did not respond to debate on the talk pages. I believe I have been very accommodating and patient with his brutish un intelligent behavior of his and I have always respected your editing of my input as well. May I remind you respectfully that neither of you are specialists in the said field. On the other hand he has been undoing the work of Ph.Ds and specialists and on many accounts you have backed him up as well. Recently, in the article Afghana, a reference verification tag was put in, to which I replied, I verified all the references, and you undid my edit, even though I am in the WikiProject Afganistan & Pashtun. If you have doubts about my verification check, I am ready to provide you with online reference check links for references that can be verified from online resources. Am I not the right person because my method of removing the tag is incorrect or because some people just dont like me?? Please enlighten me!! Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 05:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
You mean that one edit by 65.69.248.9? It would not be a bad idea. Nightscream (talk) 15:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Berlant has inserted a long section in the Westcar Papyrus article about his own hypothesis—published in an ethnopharmacology journal—that an incident in one of the stories refers to a connection between the crowns of Egypt and an entheogenic mushroom. The addition was reverted once by User:Nephiliskos and then restored by Berlant without discussion. I'm not sure how to handle this, because Berlant is much more qualified than the average occult loon wandering in from the Internet. Egyptologists generally believe that there was little, if any, ecstatic religious experience in Egypt, but Berlant's hypothesis makes this mushroom a key facet of Egyptian religion. I don't know if Egyptologists have rebutted Berlant or paid any attention to him at all, but at the least, his addition seems like undue weight to me. A. Parrot (talk) 17:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Dear Dougweller, please follow the talk page discussion on the page Afghana. I posted to your query... Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
DougWeller - I noticed your reversion of 9th July in "Lemba people". The earlier edit of that date was not actually mine, but Spurdle and Jenkins may offer enough evidence to qualify as "significant"? - see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8900243 ... What is your particular threshold, to justify using that word?
In their Abstract, Spurdle and Jenkins state: The results suggest that > or = 50% of the Lemba Y chromosomes are Semitic in origin, approximately 40% are Negroid, and the ancestry of the remainder cannot be resolved. [Am. J. Hum. Genet. 1996 Nov;59(5):1126-33...The origins of the Lemba "Black Jews" of southern Africa: evidence from p12F2 and other Y-chromosome markers].--DLMcN (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I edited the page with a new information that had a reference. Could you explain me the reason you have reverted it? Nikoghosyanm (talk) 14:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Nikoghosyanm (talk) 07:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I edited Kurmi page at two places, one was Bold, another was simply a correction, which Sitush had earlier acknowledged as a mistake. Despite that he has reverted. FYI. I understand that you are the admin who is responsible for locking and unlocking.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug, please check out the talk page on Afghana. Talk:Afghana Thank you. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 20:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Dougweller, you have an untiring attitude toward Wikipedia. How have you been? I could not keep up and shamefully have been away busy with work. Anyhow, just droping by to say hello and wish you and your family the best. Cheers! Dr. Persi (talk) 23:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
My bad, missed the citation. Poliocretes (talk) 08:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Would you be interested in commenting on an old discussion you started? Talk:Mother goddess#Decline Thank you. USchick (talk) 15:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller.
I think this might interest you. Here is the talk page of the User Takabeg. it seems he did not only start a edit war with me. He does it with everything what might be against his turkish views. Be it Armenian or be it Kurdish. As a Admin please take a better look at this User. Something is very weird about him. It seems he edits things even before they are resolved simply to get a ban on the article. He works with System. He removes every Sources WITHOUT a Reason given just like he did with mine even while I asked him for sources or reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Disruptive_editing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Adding_unreferenced_banner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Armenian_placenames_in_Turkey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Refs_removed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Tughra_edit_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Vankli
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Takabeg#Anti-Kurdish_vandalism
I am still asking my self how a user, provoking closing of articles and obviously most of them at Kurdish and Armenian articles, can still work like if nothing happened. (You might know the relation between Kurds,Armenians and Turkey.)
If you don´t know about Turkeys anti Kurdish work on the Internet you might read this if you want. The part with "many Zaza" is copied by the former Wikipedia version of the "Zaza People" article.
And recently a man which was arrested in the "Ergenekon trial" (Ergenekon is a group of People working in high positions of the Turkish state) came out as one of the provocateurs working on the Net claiming themselves as Zazas and making Propaganda on Internet Sites and also Encyclopedias like Wikipedia.
http://www.haberdiyarbakir.com/news_detail.php?id=41870
I also informed the admin kwamigami about this Issue.
greets Wikisupporting (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
No problem Dougweller. wish you nice weekend. greets Wikisupporting (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
As someone who has contributed discussion in the past - you may be interested in noticing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_astrology#Deletion_of_unreferenced_content Cheers, Zac Δ talk 00:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I reverted you at Iroquois, using the vandal button by a slip of the finger. Sorry!
I only wanted to return the article to having the single dab in the hatnote, taking the reader to Iroquois (disambiguation) where they can find the helicopter and whatever else is associated. The helicopter does not need a separate entry in the hatnote. Binksternet (talk) 15:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tajik people. Obvious where this guy is coming from ideologically - I've asked for that AfD to be speedily closed as well. Prioryman (talk) 07:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
User:Drnhawkins/Moses and the Israelites served Amenemhet III during the 12th dynasty of Egypt - It's another OR piece to advance Wyatt and his particular interpretation of Biblical and Egyptian history. LadyofShalott 15:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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What solution can you offer that allows some discussion (in main space) about who was the Pharaoh contemporary with Abraham, Joseph, Moses (and also the Isralites who were in Egypt for 430 years and grew from 70 to 2 million in that time). I understand about what you say about original research and reliable sources but your policies put Christianity at a disadvantage because you do not accept the Bible as a reliable source of Historical information.--Drnhawkins (talk) 14:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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I have taken the liberty to move this thread out of the thread above that it became part of, probably because of my typo. See response at the bottom. Peter S Strempel | Talk 02:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Life intervened to take me away from Wikipedia for the weekend, but I posted a reply to the Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive712#Pointy_AfDs thread. That may be inappropriate because it is now archived, and because you have already closed the AfDs anyway. If my dissent from your decision would be more appropriate in a dispute or mediation forum, perhaps you would point me there. My goal is, at the very least, to get some answers to what I believe are pertinent questions. Peter S Strempel | Talk 10:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll certainly work with you on crafting it. I've not done one before though. Have you started it in a sandbox or anywhere yet? LadyofShalott 21:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hello. I checked a random few with a Swedish stats site and they all correspond. I've left a note at the IP's talk to suggest they add a link to their source at the same time as they update the stats. Maybe they'll listen... Thanks for raising the matter, Struway2 (talk) 17:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug, please see this and the previous edit. Drmies (talk) 19:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller. I agree with most of what you said in your comment while recommending closure of that thread. However, I might have agreed more if you could have said that eds who have familiarity with the topic also be allowed to finger with the article. I do respect our policies like NPOV, NOR, V. Its a huge thread, but if you investigated the matter, you could probably agree that the whole thing erupted only because I tried to apply NOR, V on an unsourced claim. Regards.-MangoWong (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
If you can spare the time could you take a look at what seems to be another pointy Adf request and consider how it relates to this COI dispute, which could do with an fresh pair of eyes from an uninvolved administrator?
Yesterday the editor who initiated the COI dispute placed 3 tags, including a 7-day notice of deletion on the National Council for Geocosmic Research page, claiming that it lacked references and failed to demonstrate notability.
Ifixed the problems and gave two references to independently published books that substantiated the brief summary of information on the page and demonstrated the notability of an organization that has over 3000 members and 40 international branches.
Today he has nominated it for deletion again, continuing to argue on the deletion request page that the notability is too poor and the references are only trivial mentions in "astrology from a-z" type directory books.
He only had to make one mouse-click the Google-books links to see how the references were two from many published books that could have been used instead or as well as. But how many independent references does a 100-word stub page need? Other editors have now added more. This fits the long-running pattern of this editor trying to generate dispute where none need exist, and in particular by questioning the references that I propose as necessarily unsuitable for one reason or another. Can the deletion request be speedily closed for the time-wasting exercise it is?
For the record (shouldn't need to say this but because of the COI issue I will) - I have no affiliation with, or concern for, the organisation itself Zac Δ talk 16:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
You may have forgotten a signature here. --Noleander (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller
This is a very Important issue for me and while you are the only Admin who I know and understands such issues, I came here to share this Problem with you.
It is about Dr. Garnik Asatrian which is used in the English Wikipedia as a source in Kurdish matters. Garnik Asatrsian is already disqualified as a Source in the German Wikipedia because he has obvious anti Kurdish agendas and he and his Institute give false and unconfirmed claims as facts.
I searched some days now for sources to demonstrate my claims.
1. Most of his controversial claims are in fact anti Kurdish and refer to Kurdish minorities.
2. The Yazidi for example. He creates on his own within his institute, a new ethnic identity for them. He claims that they are non Kurds while they speak Kurdish and the large majority considers themselves as such according to the representatives of the Yazidis
Here are two interviews. One with Garnik Astarian claiming a non kurdish identity for them. And the other with the Yazidi and Kurdish representative which confirms that the Yazidis consider themselves as Kurds.
Here are two interviews which show us the anti kurdish and unprofessional behave of Garnik Asatrian.
http://groong.usc.edu/orig/ok-19980630.html
I will cite one of his whole unproven and made up claims. However you should read the interviews if you have some time because they are important to see his behave.
"Although they speak Kurdish - Kurmanji - they do not consider themselves as Kurds, so this is the problem."
Now an Interview with the Yezidi/Kurdish representatives Hasan Tamoyan/Knyaz Hassanov http://www.groong.com/orig/ok-20061011.html
"OK: What is your opinion on the fact that some Yezidis consider themselves [ethnic] Kurds while others do not?
KH: The overwhelming majority consider themselves [ethnic] Kurds. This issue is one of concern to us, but it is not so worrying as the number of Yezidis who don't consider themselves Kurds is quite small. All over the world the Yezidis consider themselves as Kurds, so if 1-2,000 Yezidis [in Armenia] do not consider themselves as such it's not significant enough of an issue. It's also their human right."
How can a Doctor give such statements like "Most Yezidis feel not Kurdish" as if it is a fact while at the same time the representatives of Yazidis/Kurds agree that the majority of Yazidi do feel Kurdish and speak Kurdish.
Here is another interview with Dr. Karlene Chachani who is President of the Department of the Kurdish Writers of the Writers' Union of Armenia, and Chief Editor of "Friendship" - an Armenian-Kurdish political Journal.
http://www.oneworld.am/journalism/yezidi/chachani.html
In his interview he explains very well the Issue. And he also notes that Garnik Asatrian has joined the Dashnakutuune (Dashnak) Party.
For more informations about the Dashnak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Revolutionary_Federation
"The ARF advocates socialism and is a member of the Socialist International.[1] It possesses the largest number of members from the political parties present in the Armenian diaspora, having established affiliates in more than 200 countries.[2] Compared to other Armenian parties which tend to primarily focus on educational or humanitarian projects, the Dashnaktsutiun is the most politically oriented of the organizations and traditionally has been one of the staunchest supporters of Armenian nationalism.[2]"
How can a man who belongs to a Nationalist Party be used as reference in other Issues belonging to geopolitical neighbors?
3. On This Example we see the behave of Garnik Asatrian when he calls a Professor of the Harvard University a stupid man.
"for example, Mehrdad Izady in "Kurdish Life" has accused some Armenian nationalist newspapers of printing racist articles regarding the Kurds and the Yezidi-Kurdish identity.
Garnik Asatrian: Mehrdad Izady is a stupid man, a very stupid man. He is a Professor at the University of Harvard, and I wonder why Harvard has Professors such as he. For example, he could not even be a mere teacher here in Armenia, even teaching children. It's amazing, it's amazing, it's very amazing."
Is this how someone with the Doctor title should behave? How can Doctor G. Asatrian who calls Professor of the Harvard University, Mehrdad Izady, a stupid man just because he supposed a Armenian Nationalism behind this Yazidi/Kurdish division. In which he didn´t called any names but seems to have been right like we see on the Dashnak Party _G Astarian relation.
4. The same Armenian institute which belongs to G. Astarian made some books in Kurdish and called it "Ezdiki" while this name is not in use by any Yazidi family and most of those families refused to use this books.
" OK: From speaking to some visiting academics researching Yezidis in Armenia as well as hearing reports from some [Yezidi] villages, it would appear that some [Yezidi] schools are refusing to accept textbooks supplied the Armenian Government written in `Ezdiki.' Have you also heard about this?
KH: Not some, but many. Out of 12 [Yezidi] villages in Aragatsotn, only 1 has accepted these textbooks. The rest are not using them and nor do they accept them."
Garnik Asatrian however claims in one of his other biased works. That the Yezidis call their language Ezdiki
on page Eleven.
http://www.hra.am/file/minorities_en.pdf
5. I have read some of his other (obviously biased) books and they are full of wrong and unsupported claims.
Just like this. Page 5.
http://www.archive.org/stream/ProlegomenaToTheStudyOfTheKurds/Asatrian_kurds#page/n3/mode/2up
He claims that Assyrians, Armenians are traditionally considered Kurds (This is wrong there is no single Historian or scholar which could confirm this claim. The Kurds did never claim Armenians or Assyrians for Kurds.
However at the same time he calls the Laks as a other ethnic group. Another false and unproven claim of him. The Laks are known as accepted by all Ethnologues and recent linguistic researches as Kurds and speaking one of the languages belonging to Kurds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lak_people_(Iran)
There are many other examples which show that Garnik Asatrian has a obvious nationalistic and anti Kurdish Agenda. The use of Garnik Asatrians works as source is already disqualified in the German Wikipedia and this should be done here too in my opinion.
Greets Wikisupporting (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Ok Thanks I will copy it to the board Wikisupporting (talk) 21:05, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hello. Wasn't sure how to go about addressing this properly. I left a message on Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism about a week ago explaining the situation, but haven't seen any response, there. I've seen you on a few pages I've had interest in, and PiCo suggested I might speak to you. Would you have any feedback to the situation I left at the Talk page linked above? Also, any feedback on what I should properly do for any future situations like that. Many thanks. — al-Shimoni (talk) 18:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Astrology in Hellenistic Egypt , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. MakeSense64 (talk) 11:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Doug. I've moved the page back for now because it appears to be the only Ed James related article we have at present. We can always move it again if and when other articles are written, but for now it seems pretty pointless to me. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 15:35, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict):I did that because Ed James the writer and conceiver of Father Knows Best was linking to that article, and I wanted to change it into a red link rather than just unlink it. Now it's linked to the wrong Ed James again. Dougweller (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Please help settle a dispute at Talk:Evolutionary psychology#Page numbers II. There is disagreement about a proposal to allow editors a month to provide page numbers for book and long article citations before the sourced material is removed. The parties have agreed to get help with this dispute. Thanks, Jojalozzo 22:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
You completely removed my several amendments to the Henty listing. I've checked the Wikipedia list for why and the only possibility for deletion seems to be citations which I thought I had included. As a committee member and researcher for The Henty Society see 'www.HentySociety.org' were you perhaps a little hasty to delete all. eg I quoted book titles with their exact publishing detail and you deleted them. Why, when another book is similarly quoted and quite rightly remains listed. Why was my detail regarding the lady deleted. Surely if the detail currently listed can be put into context by stating that politically correct views were certainly not the views a century of so back, that is fair comment is it not ? Confirmation of all I wrote is available through The Henty Society if and when needed. Most of the detail on the Henty listing has been made accurate by me on behalf of The Henty Society yet for some reason you delete all of the latest considerable detail I wrote. Clearly I have no wish to fall out with anyone but I am just a little annoyed that my hard work is deleted in such a cavalier manner. Now you can easily confirm who I am and who I represent, does that help with knowing me and perhaps leaving my comments in place ? My Regards, RogerC HentySociety (talk) 22:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Dear Mr Weller, since our last encounter I have spent much of the time I devoted to Wikipedia re-reading policies and guidelines, and looking through archived pages for resolutions to perennial disputes and conflicts. I have arrived only at preliminary conclusions, and none of these are encouraging. They relate directly to the coincidental discussions in recent days on Jim Wales’s talk page about Wikipedia biases and apparently declining new contributor numbers.
Rules that appear designed to protect the ignorant and malicious from the kind of scrutiny that other encyclopaedia enforce as a matter of credibility don’t help in this regard. But I’m not yet quite ready to pass final comment on Wikipedia guidelines.
What I am here to do is to draw your attention to the product of administrator intervention in the astrology debate, which now appears to be entirely in the hands of mystics. Take a look at the wording proposed in the core principles section. Can you honestly say that this convoluted concatenation of horseshit does anything to explain astrological principles? Can you honestly say that this phrasing belongs in an encyclopaedia?
If your prescription for fixing this, and the continuing content forking that is occurring in the astrology sub-pages, is still that ‘exemplary’ editors should be seeking to find new sources to underpin this kind of crap rather than getting rid of it, the answers to the Jim Wales discussions mentioned above are uncomfortable: rational, sincere people will not waste their time arguing the merits of mysticism, metaphysics, divination or just plain fantasy.
Moreover, political biases aside, Wikipedia is exactly what we make it. If the decision is made consciously to treat the endeavour as a sheltered workshop for intellectually impaired or dishonest zealots seeking personal fulfilment, then that will be what Wikipedia will become — the blog I referred to last month.
All this to say that your actions, and those of millions of others, have consequences. One of those consequences is that the astrology article currently speaking to the world on behalf of Wikipedia is risible for an encyclopaedia, and the zealots have won: they have managed to wear down all rational contributors to once again make this page the plaything of superstition and personal flights of fancy.
I don’t expect you to do anything to fix the problem. That would be asking a lot. But I do ask you to consider the consequences of administrators getting complacent about enforcing the letter of the guidelines while apparently being oblivious to the underlying spirit of the Wikipedia endeavour as a whole. I mention this to you because I gained the impression that you are rational, even if beholden to that Wikipedia self-talk that suspends all normal rules of good judgement. Regards Peter S Strempel | Talk 23:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm writing you because you appeared to have included some comments in in one of your edit summaries. [30] The fact that Lendvai gave information to autorities was never challanged by anyone, in fact it was confirmed by hundreds of pages of archival documents and by Lendvai's own account as well(see for example [31]『kötetlen beszélgetések formájában természetes és szokásos újságírói gyakorlat volt, és ma is az. Ilyenkor a dolog természeténél fogva a felek információkat is cserélnek』 ). I think the confusion stemms from misunderstanding Lendvai's position where he states he is not and never was an "agent" or "spy" in service of communist intelligence. The difference is pretty simple, like between someone who is 007 or 005 (agent, spy) and someone who gives information to the authorities (informer, contact). There are two batches of archival documents one from the foreign ministry and one from the archives of the national security services archives. Many of the documents are actually available online in scanned form, but since they were declassified anyone may enter the archives and look at the originals so there can be really no debate about them being real or not. So there is no debate on the fact of giving information only how this fact is Tüzes fal (talk) 09:44, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I've unprotected this article; it is inappropriate to protect an article where you have also made content decisions, and chosen the version to be protected. In addition, the issues seem to come from one or two users at most - which provides a rationale for blocks, but not for actual protection, which is unnecessarily strict. Ironholds (talk) 11:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller. A protetion request in Talk:Iyengar exists for a long time, with no reponse from any amdinistrator. However, i feel the request should be denied, because it is a disputed page, and there is no consensus to support the edit request. It is from a one "User Ip 65.219.4.7", who has already received multiple warnings in the past, for inappropriate edits. Also, the reason given by the User-ip in the talk page violates Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines in every way. The user has made egregious attacks on - "other living personalities and other religions in that message". I'm mentioning some of the statements given(for the edit request) by the User-ip in that talk page, below:
1. The user ip had mentioned - "it is a shame to mention kamal haasan, as he is an atheist with anti-brahmin sentiments". Here the user ip thinks of this website as a pro-iyengar forum, and does not understand wiki' npov policies. The user had also attacked the celibrity(kamal haasan), and has defamed another religion(atheism). Also the "anti-brahmin sentiments" claim was dubious.
2. The user Ip speaks of "main stream iyengar views" as authentic. However here in wiki', especially w.r.t challenged data, neutral party views(from reliable sources/non-iyengar sources in this case) are those which matter.
3. The user ip had also communally offended authors/editors by saying "i suppose the author is a vadama, hence he had the agenda". Again he says "random sources cited are not trusted", thereby not complying with wiki' policies.
4. Finally, he refers to some sources as "not reliable". But they are the most "relied upon sources", as any indian wikipedian would say. "Castes and tribes in southern india - by edgar thurston" , and book sources which display genetic test results are highly authentic. But the user ip had just termed it "unreliable" as he was too uncomfortable with the facts. Check his contribs please(a long history of inappropriate edits by the user ip).
I hereby request to reject the "edit protected page" request made that user-ip, as it is a highly disputed page, and there is no consensus to support his request. The user-ip has often made vandalising edits in the past, and has given some egregious explanation for the request which highly violates wp talkpage guidelines. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 12:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank You for the response. Even w.r.t to the User-Ip mentioning of "random sources", actually they are not random sources. I can explain it. But it would be too big an explanation, and only an expert in the subject could probably understand it. For example: The user ip said that "Ref [35] and [37] talk about people in Andhra that converted to thenkalai. They do not even 0.5% iyengars." Actually the refs say that non brahmins were brought into thenkalai fold. Thenkalai is an iyengar subsect and the name is not used anywhere outside "iyengar". The User-Ip is simply trying to dodge and brainwash some senior editors who dont have knowledge about the article. The only area were i approve of the user ip would be that of the "honorific suffix sri". Otherwise the Ip user's request is almost completely based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT as you mentioned earlier. Requesting to reject the "edit pp request" alone, while the message could be kept. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 14:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)