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Michael and Susan Dell pledged $6.25 billion to boost participation in the new "Trump Accounts" child investment program. "The historic gift has little precedent, with few single charitable commitments in the past 25 years exceeding $1 billion, much less multiple billions," notes the Associated Press. "Announced on GivingTuesday, the Dells believe it's the largest single private commitment made to U.S. children." From the report: Its structure is also unusual. Essentially, it builds on the "Trump Accounts" program (PDF), where the U.S. Department of the Treasury will deposit $1,000 into investment accounts set up by Treasury for American children born between Jan. 1, 2025 and Dec. 31, 2028. The Dells' gift will use the "Trump Accounts" infrastructure to give $250 to each qualified child under 10. Though the "Trump Accounts" became law as part of the president's signature legislation in July, the Dells say the accounts will not launch until July 4, 2026. Michael Dell said they wanted to mark the 250th anniversary of U.S. independence.
[...] Under the new law, "Trump Accounts" are available to any American child under 18 with a Social Security number and their families can fund the accounts, which must be invested in an index fund that tracks the overall stock market. When the children turn 18, they can withdraw the funds to put toward their education, to buy a home or to start a business. The Dells will put money into the accounts of children 10 and younger who live in ZIP codes with a median family income of $150,000 or less and who won't get the $1,000 seed money from the Treasury. The Dells hope their gift will encourage families to claim the accounts and deposit more money into it, even small amounts, so it will grow over time along with the stock market. The report notes that the timed rollout of the $1,000 deposits gives Republicans a strategic political advantage by delivering money to voters during the 2026 midterms and halting the benefit right after the 2028 presidential election.
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bytheodp ( 442580 ) writes:
start your engines!
byRitchCraft ( 6454710 ) writes:
Minnesota has entered the room.
byaccount_deleted ( 4530225 ) writes:
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byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
I can get a ThinkPad for $300.
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
I stopped buying Lenovos when the finger of an enslaved Uighur child fell out of one I was working on.
Okay, didn't actually happen, but I think you get my point.
byTheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 ) writes:
If you can navigate through all the incredibly complex hurdles they throw in your way, you too can have just enough money to almost pay for your child's emergency room visit before they die from hepatitis. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/1... [nytimes.com]
Of course that all assumes the hospital near you is still open after millions of Americans lose their health insurance and can no longer pay for care.
But political points, amirite?
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bytekram ( 8023518 ) writes:
That is what the poor or working class do, they don't own stocks that is locked up in an account. The rich can afford to own much more, therefore mostly stocks and bonds and even speculative items. It is great that the Dells are giving this away, but the effect will be minimal given the name of the account which is in itself a give away as to the motives and is a gimmick.
The DT regime backed by big US businesses is doing this because they can't give the poor and middle class a working wage and keep prices affordable, so they taxed by any other way (tariffs) and then give back a little to the poor and give the majority of the taxes back in self dealings, tax loopholes and tax breaks to the rich.
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byfropenn ( 1116699 ) writes:
...did something very similar (without the required stock investments) in a much more efficient way, and didn't require a billionaire to donate funds. Republicans hated the expanded child tax credits (although the expanded tax credits were very good at reducing the number of children in poverty), but are now celebrating this as a big "win"...because, I guess, it includes three of the Republicans' favorite things: 1) billionaires, 2) pretending the private sector does everything better than the government (and that the private sector does not directly benefit from subsidies, regulations, and other benefits provided by the government), and 3) big, fat, juicy profits for banks and Wall Street.
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bybussdriver ( 620565 ) writes:
I don't know how many billions they have to trash. This is a scam.
A recent tax accounting conference to update accountants on the new laws etc. just happened in my city. People travel around the country for these things. The Trump savings account for children is complete shit. Nobody could understand the benefit to doing it; even the banks that manage it gain little and the IRS is somehow supposed to admin the things because the parents are NOT co-owners on the fund. Also, it must have Trumps NAME in the account title or it doesn't work.
What was said is that before it was amended away, it was going to allow it all to be in crypto. The general assumption by these experts was that it was a crypo lobbied scheme that failed at the last second. That doesn't mean it won't get another law to adjust it later so it becomes something.
If you are a bank running this thing and found some loophole then you could make money from it; the government itself is dumping $1000 tax payer money into each account. There are fixed returns and taxes on it - it's better to do your own IRA or something; it has zero benefit for the children other than it's a free $1000. Will they remember and get access to it in their future? maybe... some kind of management loophole could result in money being made by people like the Dells who are invested in banks who know the gimmick.
As far as taxes; they make no sense.
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Did you just make all that up? Have you looked at what $1000 turns into when invested in index funds for 18 years? And who cares what forms of investment they considered if they were later discarded?
And hey, free basically-an-IRA-or-401k for every kid. Babies tend to be very bad at earning and investing any money, so I don't know how they would fund their own.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
but the wealthy in my extended family bootstrapped from poverty
And the only reasons they were able to do that was the productive society that they, you, me and everyone else plays a hand in creating
I hear all this, you know, 'Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.' No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.
Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
No, not more efficient at all. That just gave parents a larger tax refund. It reduced tax revenues. This doesn't reduce tax revenues, costs less ($1000 once, not $37,400 over 17 years), and under conservative projections will provide, what, four times as much?
You could look at this as Dell just sent 6,250,000 kids to college for free, but you'd rather look at it as "oooo, banks are nasty!"??
Are you well?
byawwshit ( 6214476 ) writes:
> Under the new law, "Trump Accounts" are available to any American child under 18 with a Social Security number and their families can fund the accounts
So, if I have kids but I'm not having more kids in the next 3 years, then why would I want a Trump account vs my own account somewhere?
Seems good if you are having a kids, its free money to invest for a long time. But if you have to fund the account you don't need a Trump account.
byChalex ( 71702 ) writes:
I think it's basically like a pre-provisioned 529 and the govt puts a little bit of money in there to get you started. CA has a similar thing already I think.
byJakeThompson1 ( 808024 ) writes:
These accounts may end up being a lifehack for affluent families to get $90,000 into the child's Roth IRA when they turn 18. Stay tuned as there are various moving parts that would have to be clarified as legal.
byserafean ( 4896143 ) writes:
Or is this like Scott's Tots?
byGeekWithAKnife ( 2717871 ) writes:
Given all the things Trump has been involved in and his track record on charity and honest I'd say this is a worthy investment for fools.
No doubt the Dells are getting something for their troubles...
byKrakadoom ( 1407635 ) writes:
Why does EVERYTHING have to have this morons name on it. And why does he speak about himself in the third person. Pathetic.
byKevoco ( 64263 ) writes:
IF the children turn 18, they can withdraw the funds THAT MIGHT REMAIN to put toward their education, to buy a home or to start a business.
byjsepeta ( 412566 ) writes:
hahahahaha there's not gonna be any funds left in the accounts by 2028. That giant asshole tricked how many people into buying the vaporware Trump Phone which will never ship?
byNotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) writes:
... "Trump Accounts" infrastructure to give $250
Is this meant to impress parents? If parents had any self-awareness, they'd demand ALL billionaires pay taxes to vaccinate, feed and educate the country's children: That like other countries, the federal government enforced a minimum level of healthcare and education (more than a NCLB exam) by the states. At the moment, many US states treat children as an avoidable expense.
Remember, many states are converting education funding to a voucher scheme: Do voucher-funded schools care about NCLB? Do they re
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Okay, good news! ALL billionaires pay taxes.
byjsepeta ( 412566 ) writes:
Every time Trump comes up with a charity, they get sued for stealing the money. I wouldn't trust anything with that jackal's name on it.
byrally2xs ( 1093023 ) writes:
Everything about this appears to be a good thing to me. I honestly don't understand the negative comments.
bysinkskinkshrieks ( 6952954 ) writes:
Then you're coming across as a rube or willfully ignorant to what's going on or the interests of the people involved. They're not your buddies and not doing anything for kindness. Sadly, the state of education in America is abysmal and so it's never been easier to fool much more of the people more of the time.
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Or is it that you're so twisted up inside that you can no longer see when people are actually doing good things for good reasons? It hurts me to see this. I'm worried for you because that cannot be healthy.
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Okay, well, the answer to the OP's question is clearly, "Because I hate someone that I've never met so much that objectivity is now impossible for me. And I stopped seeing my therapist."
bysinkskinkshrieks ( 6952954 ) writes:
Just like the Silicon Valley Community Foundation, this is a tax avoidance scam and a PR blitz to "convince" people that the Dell family isn't the greedy, selfish asshole billionaires who exploited their workers, customers, and the planet to hoard ridiculous resources and corrupt the government with their lobbyists to rewrite laws including the tax code to gradually be more favorable to them. Trickling out crumbs over decades isn't doing all they could possibly do to help, just get/lend credit for it. Fuck
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
There is nothing worse for the soul than resentment. You're punishing yourself because of how you think strangers are living their lives. It's like using yourself as fuel for an engine that just sits there and spins.
bybsdetector101 ( 6345122 ) writes:
where the U.S. Department of the Treasury will deposit $1,000 into investment accounts set up by Treasury for American children born between Jan. 1, 2025 and Dec. 31, 2028. And where is this $1,000 coming from ?? Regular tax payers ? The Dells' gift will use the "Trump Accounts" infrastructure to give $250 to each qualified child under 10... that will buy a couple of books, maybe.
byk3v0 ( 592611 ) writes:
why not just have free healthcare for children?
bypresearch ( 214913 ) writes:
They better watch their ass.
Dell's hired Trump on retainer.
bygroobly ( 6155920 ) writes:
When these accounts mature, the beneficiaries will immaturely blow all the money on day 1.
bydamn_registrars ( 1103043 ) writes:
I can't load a news feed anywhere and not see another article celebrating their "gift". Of course the devil is in the details and the details show us this gift won't make much difference to many people.
Even if you ignore the political aims here, $250 is not a lot of money. Being as it is $250 for kids born between 2025 and 2028 - but not available to them until they turn 18 - it likely won't even buy them a weekend's worth of groceries by the time they can access it. Yet it is supposed to help them b
bydamn_registrars ( 1103043 ) writes:
Some conservatives who are rich beyond measure are spending a trivial portion of their wealth to offer to help kids at some time in the future. On top of that, it comes with so many strings attached that few will be able to cash this in. But they are good friends with our Dear Leader, so of course they deserve front page accolades here for doing this. The main stream media is also drinking this up and plastering news of this - with a beaming photo of the happy couple - on the front page of nearly every n
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
Michael Dell is a gigantic piece of shit. This should not be news.
byISoldat53 ( 977164 ) writes:
Nobody likes a poor thief.
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
You can't possibly be stupid enough to be making this argument, can you?
If Hitler or Stalin had given away $7B in State money to "other peoples kids", would they have been transformed into good people?
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
There would be congressional hearings at 9am tomorrow morning if this was Soros.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
"Soros Foundation to Donate $6.25 Billion To Encourage Families To Claim 'Biden Accounts'" and watch Republicans heads explode. It would be 24/7 on Fox.
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byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
The administration operates on a purely transactional basis. This was not done as a matter of goodwill but rather a business transaction. Dell is going to get something in return.
byVoice of satan ( 1553177 ) writes:
Yeah, the same.
byalvinrod ( 889928 ) writes:
Why were you considering buying a Dell in the first place?
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Well first it was just a figure of speech but second I have no particular issue with Dell hardware. I'm not a fan but they've been perfectly cromulent systems when I've used them (i'm a Thinkpad fan myself)
But with something like this much like many have done with Target [cnn.com] this year it's just a little nudge from "ambivalent" to "actively avoid"
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
They make a decent computer, the political affiliations of the owners makes no difference to me. That they just gave $6.25 billion to provide better futures for other people's children does make a difference to me but it still won't impact what must always be a cost/value decision.
It strikes me as profoundly unhealthy to introduce political resentment into an apolitical decision. Especially if what you resent is someone giving billions of their own dollars to children. I mean, that's just frikkin sick
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
That they just gave $6.25 billion to provide better futures for other people's children does make a difference to me
They didn't give it to children, they gave it to the Trump administration on the promise they will give it to children. If Dell always wanted to give money to children there has been nothing stopping him at any point from doing any number of things. Why this?
It strikes me as profoundly unhealthy to introduce political resentment into an apolitical decision. Especially if what you resent is someone giving billions of their own dollars to children. I mean, that's just frikkin sick.
Nah, we do it all the time. And please stop with the "won't somebody please think of the children" virtue signalling because again, this isn't charity, this is giving money to a political actor and political regime. Did Dell publically decry the Re
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Wasn't the expansion in the child tax credit a temporary covid thing? Like the increased ACA subsidies?
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
It was part of the ARP but since it was popular and had good results it was put back on vote and Republicans voted it down
https://19thnews.org/2024/08/c... [19thnews.org]
bypostbigbang ( 761081 ) writes:
It's a generous gift, if a bend of the knee to his royal lowness. Let the monarchy reign. We have work to do.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Oh you mean when it went to court and Biden both times respected the courts rulings? That time?
Oh yeah, you don't think Presidents should have to listen to courts! What am I saying?!
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byblastard ( 816262 ) writes:
They tried to do sending similar under the Biden administration, but nothing got done.
Iâ(TM)m not sure Americans would like Biden Accounts, but then again Biden didnâ(TM)t need his ego stroked by putting his name on everything.
This is a good idea, and it would be great with a different name. Maybe, Lifelong Investment Fund, or American Longterm Growth Opportunity for Retirement and Education.
bymaladroit ( 71511 ) writes:
"Both sides" is bullshit.
You will never find Biden-era equivalents of:
- Ordering the US military to fire on shipwreck survivors.
- Pardoning someone who helped flood the US with cocaine.
- Pardoning a hedge-fund manager who fleeced families out of millions.
And these are examples from just the last couple of weeks.
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bymaladroit ( 71511 ) writes:
Not a good example.
Griner was directly targeted by Putin; her release was part of an ongoing negotiation that resulted in the release of several journalists, among others [wikipedia.org].
Trump is selling pardons for cash [brennancenter.org].
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bymaladroit ( 71511 ) writes:
The Hunter Biden pardon is a bit of mess. Yes, Hunter Biden was trading off of the Biden name and making a mess of his life. But Joe Biden was absolutely correct when he stated that without the pardon, Trump would direct the DOJ to target Hunter Biden in a vindictive prosecution. Trump has repeatedly directed the DOJ to go after his perceived enemies with absolutely bogus charges [slate.com].
And again, since we're playing "both sides", private citizen Hunter Biden's activities pale in comparison to the literal billions that were received by government official Jared Kushner.
instead [Biden] let drug boats come in.
This is complete, total, right-wing-media-brain bullshit. Is your claim that the Coast Guard didn't exist during the Biden administration? That's just nuts.
And today's fun fact: when the Coast Guard intercepts boats, they do not find contraband in about a quarter of the cases.
So that means when the Trump administration orders the murder (and yes it's fucking murder) of the occupants of an unarmed boat, about one out of four times they are killing people who are completely innocent of any crime. At least one time, it was probably a fishing boat.
And even in the cases where they might have found drugs on the boats, they are using the US military to execute people without a trial. This is war crime.
In the recent "double-tap" strike, Hegseth went from murder to a truly heinous level of murder. He directed that they leave no survivors, so they fired a second round to kill two survivors who were clinging to the wreckage [wikipedia.org].
To repeat:
"Both sides" is bullshit.
You will never find Biden-era equivalents of this shit.
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byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Republicans didn't weaponize the courts and start firing off 100 court orders a week by judges using clown logic either
Uhhh James Comey, Hunter Biden, Ann Selzer and I could rattle off another dozen or two that might have a disagreement with that statement. Biden also didn't weaponize the DoJ like this you silly goose, this should have be grounds for removal alone, the fact you won't even acknowledge what a miscarriage of our justice system this is par for the course, but uhhhh, "both sides"
Trump accidentally posted message pressuring Pam Bondi to charge his enemies, source says [nbcnews.com]
I'm starting to wonder how much longer this can go before we end up like the UK.
I wonder how the UK got into their mess? Could it have been giving the keys to dumbass Tories and folks like Boris Johnson for 15 years? They let a huckster like Farage dupe them into Brexit? You're one the ones pushing us there.
The point is that both sides ignore the rule of law.
One side tried to rig the election and when it didn't work tried to interrupt the transfer of power and threatened to kill the VP. These are not the same. I'm not gonna get pretend centrists crazy-make me and pretend all these things didnt happen.
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byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
Somehow it's always "both sides...so I voted for the fascist", never "both sides... so I voted for the objectively less bad of a pair of undesirable options".
In other words, people saying "both sides" know one side is worse: you don't have to justify voting for something you think is genuinely a better choice.
I wonder how the UK got into their mess? Could it have been giving the keys to dumbass Tories and folks like Boris Johnson for 15 years? They let a huckster like Farage dupe them into Brexit? You're one the ones pushing us there.
The rot started earlier. The architect of the mess was David Cameron and his minion George Osbourne started dismantling the state to enrich their buddies, and also as an act of sheer performative nastiness. This created the fertile ground for all those weeds to grow. He then couldn't bare to have less power and decided to gamble the future of he country in order to get it. He, and ultimately us all lost.
And when I say lost: don't forget that the court ruled that (a) the election irregularities in the referendum were bad enough that it would warrant a rerun except that (b) it was non binding and advisory and reruns only apply to binding referenda. Fundamentally, Brexit was a travesty of democracy too.
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
How many votes were there on that "travesty of democracy"? What were the results? Did the results match the action taken?
Let me see if I can answer those for you. One referendum, one general election. Both in favor of Brexit. Then, Brexit happened.
That's not a "travesty of democracy", it's the direct result of democracy. What is the travesty?
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Also hold on, this is even more ridiculous then at first glance. You lead off with talking about the "balance of power" then complain about court orders *from the Judicial Branch* and pretend like these are court orders from the Democratic party. We truly are cooked.
bycoofercat ( 719737 ) writes:
> I'm starting to wonder how much longer this can go before we end up like the UK.
Whilst there are a lot of things wrong in the UK, I'd advise you very, very strongly not to listen to some of the loudest voices in America about it. Stories such as Sharia Law in London, or "no go areas" for the police and such like are absolute fantasy. We're also not "flooded" with immigrants - there are some tensions for sure, but actually, the percentage of immigrants (nationally) is really low.
Honestly, most Brits ar
bynonsenseponsense ( 10297685 ) writes:
I don't think you know what the word "illegal" means.
byMachineShedFred ( 621896 ) writes:
Your whataboutism is a weak, stupid person's argument and isn't even tangentially related to anything being discussed here.
Go fuck your own face.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
You thought Dell was a good fit for your next purchase. You've done some research, and Dell appears to have met your needs for quality and price.
That can all be true but I can still choose to go out of my way to find an alternative because fuck this guy. He could put his billions into a hundred other thigns that could help kids but he made this particular decision.
There have been a lot of complaints recently from young people about how the system has failed them: housing is too expensive, not enough high paying jobs, they can't afford to get married, own a home, and have kids.
So you wouldn't be opposed to raising taxes on all those billionaires just the same to fund it right? Right?
it occurs to me that there is a universe where "jacks smirking reven" is not a US citizen
And to me, sitting in my middle class suburban American home, if you don't see all the myriad ways this program, this donation and everything about this admin is an affront to what
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Why is this a bad thing? Objectively, not the subjective "Trump is involved", but an actual explanation as to why the idea of a $1000 investment account for every baby born is a bad thing.
If you care more about the association with Trump than the likely results, it calls your analysis, and capabilities thereof, into question.
byRazorSharp ( 1418697 ) writes:
There is no income limit for the parents who claim these but there are restrictions on what it can be withdrawn for. Those restrictionsâ"education, starting a business, etc.â"coupled with how this will be claimed, means that it will mostly be used by the wealthy.
This is literally welfare for rich people.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Why listen to an AC who can't even be assed to reply to the right comment? Open the schools!!!
But its also important to realize the tax money spent is coming out of the budget somewhere else that might benefit them even more.
Me when I totally understand how government budgets and taxes work. Open the schools!!!
bytekram ( 8023518 ) writes:
It is $6.25 bn and while it is generous it is only $250 per child born during that narrow period of election significance. In most cases, the parents could ill afford much contribution because of the tariff tax imposed that raised their annual purchases by $2000 which could be 10% of their disposable income.
byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
Meanwhile Biden actually reduced childhood poverty and Republicans stripped this program away are when replacing it with something of 1/8 the dollars and claiming a victory lap:
The expanded child tax credit briefly slashed child poverty. Here's what else it did [npr.org]
In July 2021, for example, with the first monthly payment, Parolin and Curran write that "the monthly child poverty rate fell from 15.8 percent to 11.9 percent. The first Child Tax Credit payment in July 2021, on its own, reduced the monthly child poverty rate by... 26 percent."
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byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
It's that we all know this is a grift and we're all trying to figure out how the grift works.
I can think of a few possible things but I don't have enough of a finance background to really say for sure of what they are up to, but I know damn well that billionaires don't just hand out billions of dollars for the hell of it. There is a reason that Bill Gates is still one of the wealthiest people on the planet despite telling us 20 years ago he was going to give away his fortune.
Billionaires have been lying to us for as long as we've had billionaires, some of us just figured that out
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byharuchai ( 17472 ) writes:
"It's that we all know this is a grift and we're all trying to figure out how the grift work"
if this is plain generosity I'll applaud it but I've lived too long & through too much to not smell a rat.
i'm happy to be wrong but far too often my gut feelings prove to be correct
bywgoodman ( 1109297 ) writes:
To be fair, Obamacare is called the Affordable Care Act but was nicknamed Obamacare by Republicans trying to disparage it. The LBJ space center was originally the Manned Spacecraft Center and it was renamed by Congress over a decade later. The Bush tax cuts were just called that because he implemented them. Trump however, is blatantly trying to name everything he can because he knows nobody else ever will.
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bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
They were called the Bush tax cuts as a disparaging term.
Hardly. Bush himself was proud of the tax cuts. It's hardly disparaging to say he cut taxes when he was proud of doing so. Tax cuts (or rises) are typically always colloquially called after the person who implemented them regardless of whether they were good or bad.
That really is nothing like the other examples.
byspacepimp ( 664856 ) writes:
What votes is Michael Dell buying? Trump doesn't need votes as he cannot be reelected.
bydirk ( 87083 ) writes:
This is all timed for the midterm elections, which Trump and the rest of the GOP are EXTREMELY interested in. And we all know, Trump is the GOP at this point, so anything that is good for him is seen as good for the GOP.
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byVoice of satan ( 1553177 ) writes:
I don't think they are going to respect the result of the elections if they are not favorable to the GOP. They act as people who de not expect to ever give power back or answer to the justice.
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byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
But given this administration's history of corrupting everything they touch it's not something we should get behind from this administration because it's almost guaranteed to turn into some kind of scam that puts money in their pockets.
There is nothing wrong with a sovereign wealth fund per se if your government is relatively uncorrupted. Ours is not, the Trump administration is without a doubt the most corrupt and criminal administration in American history and that is saying a lot.
Simply put you cannot expect good things to come out of this administration even if the underlining ideas are fine. And I don't think that's any kind of exaggeration or partisan bickering. The Trump administration is openly murdering Venezuelan fishermen in the lead up to another war for oil without even the slightest pretexts. That alone should tell you we are in for a bad time. You don't have to be a genius to extrapolate from that data point and the dozens of other data points like the illegal tariffs or the huge bribes like the cryptocurrency or the jet Qatar gave the Trump or the fact that the taxpayer is going to be retro fitting that jet for his use...
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Well, no, the problem with a sovereign wealth fund is that we run a deficit, not a massive surplus to fund the fund.
From this list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] - I'm not sure we can draw any conclusions about links between having such a fund and the level of corruption in the nation.
byharuchai ( 17472 ) writes:
you appear to have skipped an election that had the same "not Trump" message.
why?
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byharuchai ( 17472 ) writes:
Harris basically was campaigning at Biden 2.0 or maybe even Biden 1.1
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byharuchai ( 17472 ) writes:
I think it's worth pointing out that both Trump victories were against *female* candidates.
It seems to me that plenty of Americans still aren't ready for a woman to be Commander-in-Chief
byharuchai ( 17472 ) writes:
"Since we have no ideas of our own other than "Not Trump"?"
plenty of ideas from the prog wing of the party that's been squelched by the corporate-beholden leadership for a long time.
they've gotta go, way past time they did
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
And since the very best way to buy votes is to earn them by doing good things that clearly benefit the people...
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
Trump is little more than a puppet for the Heritage Foundation. Trump hands out pardons to exactly who they tell him to. Case in point. https://www.bbc.com/news/artic... [bbc.com]
This is about buying future power.
bysupremebob ( 574732 ) writes:
Cannot be reelected... yet. Trump still has almost three years to find a way to repeal or circumvent the 22nd amendment by then.
Most Slashdotters think that I'm trolling here, but keep in mind that 5% of people bet real money on Trump being the 2028 presidential winner on Polymarket. Either they know something we don't, so they're pulling a very expensive prank/troll on us.
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
The supreme Court has overruled 94% of the lower court rulings Trump has lost. It's painfully obvious they will just rubber stamp anything Trump wants. More importantly anything the heritage foundation and Peter thiel wants. Trump can't stay awake through an entire cabinet meeting so it's not so much that he wants anything but he would like to stay in power because he is making billions of corruption and bribes.
Meanwhile the Republican party does not have a viable candidate for 2028. Vance is a joke and
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Maybe, just maybe, consider the possibility that the lower court rulings were very wrong. Maybe the corrupt judges weren't the ones on the Supreme Court, but the ones who issued rulings that nobody expected to stand as acts of political showmanship.
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
If I had to guess, and it's just a guess, I would say that they are positioning themselves to profit from the money put aside for the kids. Probably sitting themselves up to redirect the money being invested in the companies that they own.
The one thing we can be sure of though is that this is a scam and the only question is what are the details of the scam.
You don't become a billionaire by being altruistic. People who genuinely care about society at Large stop accumulating wealth long before they be
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
You're making a lot of bad assumptions. You're making very deep assumptions about people you have never met and about whose person you know nothing.
You've assumed this is a scam, based on what? Your other assumptions about strangers, so far as I can tell.
And have you never noticed that there is a historical trend where leading industrialists become incredibly wealthy, and later in life start giving their wealth away? Did you know that's why we have public libraries? Would you have been railing aga
byClickOnThis ( 137803 ) writes:
What votes is Michael Dell buying? Trump doesn't need votes as he cannot be reelected.
It's not about buying votes. It's about buying influence. Trump will still be in office for the next 3-ish years, and in that time, I expect he will continue to reward his friends and punish his foes.
Dell wants to be one of Trump's friends. But ... so did Elon, until stuff.
bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
There's a difference between cautious skepticism and blinding cynicism.
byClickOnThis ( 137803 ) writes:
There's a difference between cautious skepticism and blinding cynicism.
To be sure. Could you explain how that applies here?
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
Forgive me if I'm skeptical of a man who unleashed grift after grift on simpletons. Like the latest example of his golden cell phone. He accepted orders and has delivered nothing. https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
Bibles, booze, watches, clothes, all manner of tacky shit https://www.rollingstone.com/p... [rollingstone.com]
Pretty soon he's going to surpass Gene Simmons on marketing made in China garbage.
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byGilgaron ( 575091 ) writes:
Having the hyper rich donate directly to various govt programs is often a sign of slipping into an oligarchy. Otherwise this isn't too terribly notable.
byharuchai ( 17472 ) writes:
"If this is what SlashDot has become, then I'm done."
point to a 3 month period in the past 15 years when Slashdot was different, please
byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
They say financial literacy is poor in the US.
Did you miss the part where it has to be invested in a market tracking index fund? The S&P 500, which is what people usually mean when they say "the market" has returned almost 10% / year over the last hundred years. Index fund fees are usually a fraction of a percent. So ~9% / year, subtract the US average inflation rate this century of 3% and you've got 6% real growth. No imaginary leverage scams needed.
byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
Right. I've seen that YouTube video too.
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