:::::Could you two please take your dispute elsewhere. I don't really wish to host it on my talk page, which isn't a noticeboard (all appearances to the contrrary notwithstanding). No follow up responses are needed. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 14:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::Could you two please take your dispute elsewhere. I don't really wish to host it on my talk page, which isn't a noticeboard (all appearances to the contrrary notwithstanding). No follow up responses are needed. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 14:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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I've just got my answer, the user won't willing to disclose the off-wiki email sender, so as per your note, we should go to ArbCom. What should I do exactly? Thank You.([[User:KIENGIR|KIENGIR]] ([[User talk:KIENGIR|talk]]) 22:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC))
I've just got my answer, the user won't willing to disclose the off-wiki email sender, so as per your note, we should go to ArbCom regarding this. What should I do exactly? Thank You.([[User:KIENGIR|KIENGIR]] ([[User talk:KIENGIR|talk]]) 22:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC))
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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.
El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Romania
And all I got was this... Whoa!
I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking.El_C19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes*El_C11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
AE sanctions
Hey El C, I just applied a DS sanction here in response to this edit (exacerbated by the others around it), and logged it here. This is the first time I've applied a DS sanction - would you be willing to check that I've completed all the paperwork correctly? Cheers GirthSummit (blether)11:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Yeah, for sure, looks good. I usually add a WP:BROADLY in there, too, mostly as a sort of emphasis. Oh, and you should log that AE block for the sanction violation, as well, (as an indent to your original bullet point). HTH! Best, El_C13:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, there is no un-logging. AEL serves as a permanent list for all recorded AE actions taken, so everything stays. El_C14:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, GS, just noticed this: you should not be closing requests at WP:ARCA (or any arbitration pages). That is the exclusive domain of the arbitrators and clerks. El_C14:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right, G — I'll take that save! (And hold onto it for dear life!) For sure, glad I could help (until I went to visit outer space, at least). El_C15:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A sentiment echoed by many, I'm sure, myself included. Hopefully, everything will end up getting resolved amicably on that front, somehow, and that this, too, shall pass. El_C17:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You know who else I really miss, Gerda, though it has been a long, long time? Phaedriel. Wherever she is, I hope she's doing well and doing good, as is her nature. El_C23:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Phadriel was the inspiration for the Precious, - much better: with a matching image and poem for each recipient. Click on yours, and scroll down to the bottom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right, that makes sense now that I think about it. The image for the award she gave me no longer exists, but I remember what it was — a shining star. El_C23:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
thank you, but today my music is this - I watched the live stream and loved it, and it's still available - more on my talk, which includes my first DYK ever --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Girth. I appreciate you letting me know about this ARCA — super-helpful seeing as I've been operating watchlist-lessly for a few months now. Anyway, important ARCA. Kudos for taking the initiative to draft it, and draft it in the way that you did. I've commented there already (ping attached). Best, El_C16:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know the pain of the non-functional watchlist - I'm at something like 25K thanks to CV stuff. Now that temporary watchlists are a thing, I've been intending to get round to deleting mine completely and then just permanently adding pages I actually want to watch. Haven't quite found the time yet though...
Anyway, thanks for the kind words about the request - it's the first time I've attempted to raise anything arb-related, I don't really know the etiquette so nice to know it wasn't a complete disaster! Cheers GirthSummit (blether)16:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So long as you don't close those Arbitration requests yourself! Wait, who am I talkingG to, again? Just checked: I'm currently at 99,771. Don't get me wrong, I love my watchlist (though many items fall through the cracks when the usual duration you set for viewing it is one hour!), but only when I have the time and/or inclination to patrol it! El_C16:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is watchlist envy a thing? Reminds me of a limerick by W H Auden:
Community guideline, which still has seen some ArbCom-related rulings. Very poor documentation about how it was established, though, which both WP:MEDRS and WP:WHYMEDRS do a spectacularly poor job in explaining outlining with any detail (whatsoever). El_C17:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I hope you’re doing well. Would it be convenient for you to briefly explain to me something about the ban on Balkans topic area? May I edit articles for the 2020 Summer Olympics, Eurovision Song Contest 2021, 93rd Academy Awards, 2021 ATP Tour etc? These events undoubtedly have participants from the Balkans, but by strict definition they do not belong to Balkans pages. Especially, am I allowed to update the results and other data on participants from the Balkans? Does the ban apply to Novak Djokovic career statistics and other non-political Balkans individuals (sports, culture, science)? Of course, I understand that I should not get involved in disputes about ethnic origin, controversial parts, etc. I'm thinking specifically of undisputed sports results, festival awards, etc. Could you please clarify this for me? I'd appreciate your reply. Best regards. --WEBDuB (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, the ban is still somewhat recent, so I'm wary of there being a sliperry slope. Also, the ban isn't just about Balkans-specific pages, but also about any Balkans-related content (whatsoever). Pragmatically, I suppose simple and verifiable additions to song contests are okayish, but nothing else is, really. No sports, no sciences, no culture, no biographies. And no further such requests, please. I don't want to make this into a thing, for a number of reasons, some of which go beyond the scope of this. Anyway, I hope I won't end up regertting this allowance. El_C16:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking your time, I respect your position very much. This was not a request, but a question. There is no cause for concern. I'm reasonable and always ready to cooperate. I will not bother you further with similar things. I wish you all the best. Kind regards.--WEBDuB (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
El Caprine
If you are unfamiliar with the wonder of goats, I suggest the video: Are goats OP? Recently the general public has come to recognize the wonder of goats, with GOAT serving as a backronym for "Greatest Of All Time". Unfortunately, society still has a ways to go in recognizing the contributions of our caprine symbiotes. Like goats, your work here is important but underappreciated. Our sanctions regimes are functional largely because of your work to enforce them, and despite the flak you receive, your work is truly appreciated. Perhaps the "C" in "El_C" stands for "Caprine", and you were a goat all along? Either way, enjoy the new lawn mower accompanying goat!
Now that my IBAN partner has left Wikipedia, and then been indef blocked and had TPA revoked for NOTHERE behaviour - including personal attacks in violation of the IBAN - I would ask that the IBAN between us be voided. That would allow me to edit certain pages without going into convolutions about their edit histories. If the editor in question is unblocked for some reason, I will consider myself under a voluntary 1-way IBAN while awaiting further developments, but given the circumstances of the indef, I do not see this scenario as likely. Anyway, you could just let me know here, at your leisure, what you decide. Thanks. Newimpartial (talk) 16:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, hope you're fine. I just noticed what is written on the bottom, however, I wanted to ask your opinion and advice on an issue (I waited even two weeks to come up, since I have been as well very busy after a strained period, which lasts still :( )...I listened a few of the musics offered....please tell me when I may have your attention, or when I should return...at least I hope with you everything is ok!(KIENGIR (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Heya, the postman always ring the bell twice also here :D. There has been a discussion which has been closed, but I debate the result and the conduct, which has been a blatant witch-hunt and violation of several conduct and good faith, but the most concerning is the outcome is as well semantically erroneus. Your time would be consumed of reading that discussion, and after opining and advicing me here what to do. Of course, it you don't have time now, I am willing to wait any long (I don't think there is a rule that a closed discussion may be challenged only within a time).(KIENGIR (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
I think it is not long in regular WP terms, especially compared to almost online chat-like ANI threads or a one-time "Polish-round"....([3]), here you may overview in blue, as an approximation. But again, you don't need to rush, if you say let's return later (even weeks), no problem. I honestly need your calm and sharp vision and understanding, because I get very disappointed and sad, so I reinforce I am willing to wait for you, any time.(KIENGIR (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Flattery will get you everywhere! Honestly, I don't really envision returning to the usual grind in merely weeks —and I've been at semi-grind for a while now, anyway (haven't even loaded my watchlist once in, like, 3 months)— but remind me in, say, a week or so, because this week I really am trying (trying!) to take it easy, all appearances to the contrary notwithstanding. El_C15:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your kind words at least it gives me power to withstand. Have a nice time, will return as you outlined. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 15:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
No, Commander, Miranda may be upon discussion if we completed our mission :-) So I'd be happy if you'd read the blue box, tell your opinion and upon changing our ideas...(we will have time until the Reapers don't come and a new cycle won't start...)(KIENGIR (talk) 21:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Okay, I'm not sure I can handle this turning into a Gerda-level Riddle Mastering... Because, incompetent.El_C21:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's turn more serious then (however, the music is very good, you deserved in return), the diff is above, please read the case (blue box meant that, as a closed discussion).(KIENGIR (talk) 23:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Thanks, glad you like! I've mostly fond memories of the Mass Effect series, so that brings me back. Anyway, yes, in all seriousness, and having already been aware of "Virginia" discussion a while back, I don't understand what it is that you're asking of me here. Probably best to spell it out at this point... El_C02:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Thanks, I did not know you already read it, I thought you would add a preliminary opinion, but ok, I'll spell out then my problem (or better I summarize since it should seem obvious). Well, I just noticed they will renew the trilogy, with the most advanced graphics, correcting bugs, and to convert the first parts control system akin the second one...although would be happy if Andromeda would continue in a better shape, if they really abandoned the original storyline...
Back to Sol, Earth:
- "In general": I was very sad of the witch-hunt I suffered, nobody really wished to have serious arguments, I've got mostly ad hominem or emotionally motivated arguments towards the subject as well, and pure straw-man argumentations almost for every professional demonstrations, furthermore the number & actual stance of participants a discussion should never influence it's outcome, if it is not well or thouroughly discussed, or the problem solved in accordance our policies and guidelines (as well). Hence the very early closure, even wished to be boosted by AN was execptional, given there are less "core important" discussions taking much more longer and there have been not such a fuss (but even important ones, in ten years I experienced even week/month long threads)
- Problem 1: Majority of the participants erroneusly considered the subject would be denying the connection between Fascism or Nazism, and they adamantly tried to prove something that was not even the catch, the closer's comment perfectly reflected this error - and suggest he did not read/understood the discussion -, so I contest closing (even this "Virginia" remark is hard (?) to be interpreted, since such user/username did not participate in the discussion, if it was meant to be a(n) (pejorative) insult, twice as bad, since would be a pure boomerang). Nazism is a form of Fascism (as well here Nazism is a subcat of it), and the first defining, appropriate qualifier to designate the ideology/system etc. Since the Elton John example was ignored, there is even better, beetle is a subgroup of insects, but it does not mean that ever insect would be beetle, similary if I wish to define a human, it's enough the designate with the first-defining order mammals, but I don't have/need to add that it stems/belongs/subgroup of Tetrapods.
- Problem 2: even is Problem 1 is enough to demonstrate the error, the discussion went to that direction what the sources say, a user after a hard digging shown two sources containing Fascist state...after I have shown three sources contanining Nazi state....according to our rules - since they preached we say what RS say - they should have either accept or make a scrutiny which is more prevalent and go on, etc.! This did not happen, but I've got serious deterioration and straw man arguments, and an overly pressure to falsely identify my conduct as a problematic behavior (= translation: they identified this was of argumentation with RS may result the same boomerang as before, so all efforts was put on charge on my witch hunting, like I would not hear/accept the other users opinions and what I would do would be disruptive and tendentious, etc., despite I also disproved all of such trials, since a content dispute is a content dispute, not a beauty contest or an exit poll, especially if I follow those policy line they introduced)
- Problem 3: after I came to realize the Jolly Joker - after the discussion has been unfortunately successfully deteriorated from the point -, besides Problem1&Problem2, the whole addition to the Government parameter of the infobox was in fact even semantically erroneus, since a government is not a state ([5]), hence regardless of the other points of the debate, it has to be reverted, but they've got very mad at me and the ad-hominem campaign has been intensified, like I would be the bad who should revise his thinking because so many users are disagreeing, blabla and the same panels, they've got so afraid that started to rush to close the discussion ASAP (= translation: "since it cannot happen one user would make a fool of all of us, after this already strained hotch-potch against him, since the decoy was taken by the majority already that he is "baddish"...)
Epilogue: I became very sad and I feel like this, very disappointed as a said, since any good-faith/professional editor who knows the subject and/or have an elementary logic, or just even conduct or practises of guidelines/policies in WP about content issues, clearly identifies my argumentations and points are valid and correct. What happened here, could not happen at ChessorDeutsch–Jozsa algorithm articles. Etc., I don't explain further, I think/hope you fully understand me, and I need it very much, since this issue has to be remedied...this bold edit was the cause of everything ([6]), unfortunately contrary the edit log, the user added someting else, the problem :( .(KIENGIR (talk) 12:00, 15 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Why did I omit the word brief?(!)¯\_(ツ)_/¯Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus! Anyway, Just Breath. Right, so, the awkward camera angles/pauses on her backside are said to have been removed from the remastered relaese, which some brainiacs seemed to have taken a strong exception against (idiotic).
Look, I don't really want to get into the content weeds of this definition (don't really have the stamina to do so, gotta conserve it for more pressing matters in my life right now) — but I will say that, as a professional historian who, at times, had both studied and taught the subject in university, your position seemed odd to me. Because, to me, the matter can be condensed to a fairly digestible axiom, which the Hebrew Wikipedia's פשיזם expresses quite succinctly in its opening sentence of a section devoted to Nazism. It simply says: Nazism is fascism that was developed in Germany, with added racist principles.
Which isn't to reduce from the wealth of historiography on the subject, but for our purposes, I think that really sums it up. BTW, myself, I prefer the way the Hebrew Wikipedia treats that infobox parameter of גרמניה הנאצית, which simply says: Fascism, Nazism — that's it! Anyway, again, as someone who has studied and taught the subject, through the prism of Holocaust historiography and beyond, that description aligns with what I know to be mainstream scholarly consensus (myself, I place more of a stress on the role of class in my own analysis, but that goes beyond the scope of this note at the moment).
I don't really wanna address the tone and tenor of the aforementioned on-wiki discussion (due to... reasons, which also includes stamina, again), except to say that the vehemence you encountered was a likely product of most participants thinking as I do: that the Nazi state was also a Fascist state (again, with "added racist principles"). Which I believe to be an absolutely pivotal mention, though, again, I prefer the Hebrew Wikipedia's approach than what we currently display here, at en.
I mean, though from an academic perspective, I don't view your position to be an historically revisionist and/or Nazi-sympathetic view, because it just isn't in a theoretical sense. I believe it to be a wrong view (though not necessarily wrongheaded, if that makes sense), but one which isn't outside acceptable bounds of historical and political scientific inquiry, But, I do think it was rather naïve of you not to expect there being fallout related to the more contemporaneous political dimension of Nazism and Fascism as labels. That is: Nazism → bad + Fascism → bad = Nazi Germany (as a more amorphous construct) portrayed in an otherwise worse light. At the event, the labels do match reality, so I don't think that there's a dissonance there worth expounding on in this limited context (i.e. in the realm of theory, as opposed to wiki-stuff).
Probably not the response you'd have hoped for, but I think sometime it's just best to be blunt, so as to help one to become realistic, which is likely to spare much grief and confusion, overall.
Well, since you did not have an initial comment, hence I summarized, as a brief-ing :-). Thank you for enlighting me about the phrase as well, still I consider the closers remark inappropriate, added the second part of the sentence as is. The video you sent is not accessible for me (I think yt may limitate access per location), so I was unable to check an extensive (M?)Ass-effect :D...about what you said really disappoints me, without that how could be this planned editions as Legendary?? (maximum the 40 DLC-s integrated they claim)...yes idiocy is a great danger in nowadays society, when people cannot kill the time with useful thinks but inventing -***(censored)***- is permanent...at least it seems there is a hope [7] (just run into it, they heard my plea? Seems not Andromeda will be continued)
Based on your background (which I did not know in full details), I knew I came with my problem the right place (hence noone could accuse me I would seek remedy where I would expect obvious advantage). About stamina (still I have enough), more pressing issues in life (I have and should better care that as well) we agree, though I faced many bad faith rallies or grouping against me as I dare to enter heavy subjects, and despite keeping all rules with good faith according to my best knowledge, some think it's easier to tackle me with non-related spurious claims. Then we start to think over if years of work would be damaged or lost if we would care less, who'd protect the undisputed achievements? If there is noone how dared to stand on them, we may not solve unsolved issues (you just don't know how much it meant for me when Gerda awarded and acknowleged me near 9 years after, but then I was the bad-witch...so I should believe my work won't be futile...).
Hebrew unforunately I cannot read, hence I cannot analyze approriately the Hebrew wiki. I am happy we agree on the classification - in theory -, they are related, but not identical, as Nazism is a special form/expressant. The encountering vehemence, as I expressed I get used to, I'll always get it several areas, mostly from non-academic/experts directions, which judge mostly by emotion or superficial knowlegde or urban legends...which gives power, that as well a selected members of our community, the wiser one acknowlegde and justify me sooner or later, or at least understand these problems, however without me they would not enter to debate/discuss (lack of stamina, or fear of stigmatization). But we need pioneers, otherwise ain't we'll construct once Mass Relays? :)
Btw, your position is clear, in favor of the current alignment, though not identical as you cited elsewhere, the semantic issue you ignored (govt vs. state), I still have to add relation to Fascism could be explained in the core as pivotal instead. My naivity would be general, as I don't care a priori stigmatizations/beliefs (as your equation perfectly symbolizes), I follow better a scientific/engineering approach, in which things are exact (and I am happy you acknowledge those who's try in a lame way accuse me with revisionist/sympthatic/whitewasher as a carte blanche - which is always easier then to enter professional arguments - have no chance).
That all said, hope humanity will preserve this discussion between a frontline soldier and a true SPECTRE, and once the Council will take this in consideration to remedy better once (even with intergalactic involvement). I wish you could/would have the time/stamina to participate and cut unneeded directions of the discussion, and would indicate witch-hunt is not a solution, but professional arguments, I think all the case would ended in a better solution like now. We should fight together against I-N-D-O-C-T-R-I-N-A-T-I-O-N, Commander...it's been an honor, logging you out, Shepard...FTL initiated!(KIENGIR (talk) 15:31, 15 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Thanks goes to Wikipediocracy for the interesting pointer to the "CR&S Office Hour" Zoom meetup back in June: YouTube link, which I had missed. Thanks, especially, to Vigilant for the OP and to SR for the bump. It's about an hour long, but well worth viewing in full. Possibly, everyone else knew about it except for me...?
BTW, Osborne, not sure why you're spreading misinformation about me. I was was opposed to SR's original siteban, as well as having supported their appeal a couple of months ago (first to do so, in fact). I was dissapointed that the appeal did not succeed, but remain hopeful that one day it will. Anyway, sometime, it's best to state the salient facts, for the record, especially against patently false assertions. El_C17:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pandemic/Wartime-like economic rescue plan to counter against a likely economic collapse and/or extreme stagnation.
To that: one last chance to counter against an eclipsing Chinese economy.
A preemptive countering against the Christian fascists, who may well end up arresting or otherwise significantly imperiling key neoliberal politicians and plutocrats (known unknowns).
Hi, El C. To the best of my knowledge, we have "hashed-out" all issues relating to "unbalance" in the article Beit She'arim (Roman-era Jewish village). Therefore, can I ask you to remove the "Unbalanced tag"? Since the tag was first placed there in January of 2021, more than six editors have worked on the article to alleviate the "perceived" problems.Davidbena (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
David, I'm not sure I understand why you've come to me with this, asking me to make an edit on your behalf. I mean, if the basis for the tag is resolved or otherwise is no longer being actively attended to, it may be removed by anyone. But why would I do so? I know absolutely nothing about whatever that dispute was about. Nor do I even have a passing familiarity with the article, in general. I remember having visited Beit She'arim on a field trip once, but that's about it. This request is quite confusing to me. Best, El_C02:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Partly done — page deleted (inapprorpiate, especially retaining it for this long), but decline the second request. Those are not suitable candidates for revdel. Regards, El_C17:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
RfC at Talk:Emanuel Cleaver
Hi, re this edit. Removal of the {{archive top}}/{{archive bottom}}, essentially reverting these edits, was OK if Mikehawk10 (talk·contribs) said that it was OK. But rather than adding a new {{rfc}}, which caused Legobot to assume a totally new RfC, you should have reverted this edit (so that the same rfcid was used) and immediately inserted your relisting comment between the original statement and original signature. Something like this:
Should the Rev Cleaver ending his prayer in Congress with "amen & awomen" be added according to Wikipedia's three content policies, neutral point of view, verifiability, and no original research policies? RfC relisted by El_C 15:57, 14 March 2021 (UTC), originally raised by Grahaml35 (talk) 18:16, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, so when re-listing just use the original rfc id, then? (Please confirm.) That I think I'll be able to remember. Yes, overturned at AN (link) as well as then also being voluntarily vacated by the closer. Thanks as always. El_C22:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the same value for the |rfcid=. A number of processes use this as a unique key, for example to decide if a user should not be sent a WP:FRS message (because they already had one). So if Legobot generates a new rfcid, people might be messaged twice about the same rfc. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just an observation
For someone who is not taking any new requests for help, you seem to resolve more editor conflict problems in a day than I do in a week. You can't help yourself but help out people who come to you with problems, can you, El C? Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. We're lucky to have you. LizRead!Talk!05:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I saw you ECP protected this article, but I don't think that was the correct decision. While the organization is opposed to intermarriage and is an active org, it doesn't have anything really to do with the IP Conflict. Sir Joseph(talk)13:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care too much to appeal but the calls for segregation is to segregate from non-Jews and in Israel that is primarily the Arab citizens. Not every conflict in Israel is related to the IP conflict. It's about assimilation and intermarriage, not the IP conflict. Sir Joseph(talk)14:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then that should apply to specific parts of the article, not the whole article. We should in general not lock up articles when not needed. Otherwise, as I told someone else, I can probably connect any article to the IP conflict using BROADLY. Sir Joseph(talk)14:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi El C, I'm concerned about the activity of the new editor, Traineek. Their first edits were a series of extremely POV and unsourced (or poorly) sourced information ([8], [9], [10] just a few examples...) which were all subsequently reverted. They then edit-warred far past the limitations of WP:3R and continue to exhibit serious battle ground behavior on The talk page. Surely something can be done here?? Aza24 (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would also think that Goguryeo needs to be brought back to a stable revision (I don't know if I could tell you when that would be from...) until the editors form consensus on the talk page. Aza24 (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aza24, I'm sorry, but as the notice of at the bottom of my talk page states, I'm not accepting new requests right now, and I gotta draw the line somewhere. Unless it is a genuine emergency, like BLP, defamation, harassment and other serious matters that are of an urgent nature, you're best to seek assistance elsewhere. El_C18:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I think I miss interpreted the "requests" as something to do with the music above. Best to you, and thanks for the work you do here. Aza24 (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy St. Patrick's Day! I hope your St. Patrick's Day is enjoyable and safe. Hopefully next year there will be more festive celebrations. Best wishes from Los Angeles. // Timothy :: talk
Timothy, funnily, I was just watching Brad Jones' St .Patrick's special Leprechaun 3: Las Vegas a couple of days ago. And, damn, that Leprechaun can take a beating (much like my liver). And he's also such a dick, but extremely cheerful at the same time, somehow... El_C18:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting some help
Greetings,
It seems you have previously edited article Black sea or some article which is linked/ connected to Black sea article.
And also requesting to visit Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları, an article is about Ottoman times female slavery with a special focus on the state of non-elite common women slavery in those times; and help expand the same if you find yourself interested in the topic.
El C, thank you - funnily enough, I came across you at recent changes when looking for an active admin because you had unblocked a user :-) Pahunkat (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to bug your but I have a general question regarding the scope WP:BLP. The policy states that it applies to all Wikipedia pages. Does this include talk pages? My reading is that it does, but I wanted to check with a much more experienced person to make sure I am reading it right.
Hello. Can you please Semi-Protect his article for a while? It has recently been vandalized by a handful of vandals, in addition to suffering from unsourced/misleading changes. The article also covers an unfolding natural disaster in the United States, so it's probably going to continue drawing attention for a while. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 15:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected for a period of one week, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. But LightandDark2000, please take note of the notice of the bottom of my talk page. Unless it is a genuine emergency, please direct such requests to RfPP. Thanks and all the best, El_C15:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That page was hijacked. I had restored the correct version and requested protection. Are you sure it should have been deleted? MB16:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Grand Central Station, Roxy. Even when under renovations, traffic remains... prohibitive. Ah, I see, MB. The sourcing is still extremely sparse (for the criminal), but I suppose that's a matter better left to AfD. Restored. El_C16:20, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gurbaksh Chahal
Please consider unlocking this page so disruptive editing cannot be made by those with Extended Protection status.
User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz tampered with the personal relationship section of both Gurbaksh Chahal and Rubina Bajwa by simply removing it outright. This user was later blocked on February 22nd (Per consensus at ANI (discussion); violation of civility-related editing restriction) after he made his changes.
For Gurbaksh Chahal, on January 18 his reason was →Personal life: no current source
For Rubina Bajwa, on January 18 his reasons were →Personal life: noncurrent gossip, no significance indicated
I did not know just because he saw a citation of article that was not recent enough, he had the ability to remove relationship status in its entirety? Their relationship status has been reportedly quite heavily in Indian media. Was there ever an article mentioning a break up? This was clearly done not in good faith.
I was able to revert the changes for Rubina Bajwa but since I do not have EP status, I could not make the changes to his page. I have requested others to revert the changes, with no luck. I believe it is only fair to open up this page so it can be monitored and protected by the entire wikipedia community when any user makes changes that are considered disruptive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk) 14:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like every few months, an IP comes along to ask for me to lift or downgrade the protection for this bio. I'll make it crystal clear (again) that this isn't going to happen pretty much for the foreseeable future. I guess you can try your luck at WP:RFUP, but I will object there, too, on the usual WP:BLP/WP:SPAM grounds. The article talk page is open to all, so you're welcome to bring up any concerns there, including by making edit requests. El_C17:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, why don't you just revert the changes of the blocked the user, since you are adamant about keeping this protected? If you don't want to remove the disruptive editing, then apparently there is some inherent bias in your thinking. You only want to keep this protected but won't fix any changes when someone with extended protection does disruptive editing to the page? 03:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk) 03:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I can see that you made an ordinary (non-WP:ER) request yesterday. And now an WP:ER one after writing the above. That isn't a long time to wait for something that isn't urgent. But regardless, I'm not interested in attending to your request, nor should you see me as the go-to person for edit requests regarding that page, in general. Your overall tone is unwelcome, so please refrain. El_C03:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing about this is that heralds tend to precede their main event, whereas SineBot would let the entire apocalypse happen and then follow up with something like " — Preceding unsigned death and destruction added by the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (talk • contribs)". DanCherek (talk) 03:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For protecting thousands of pages, for endlessly leaving comments at AN and ANI, for being valuable to a whole admin area that very few can bear to edit it, for other things. Courtesy of WikiProject Giving Users Barnstars Because They Deserve Them. 🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I take a dim view of such exclamations and I intend to have a word with BMK as soon as I submit this comment. That said, I don't know enough about the subject/edit to feel confident enough to revert the fully-protected page back to your version contrary to m:Wrong version at this time (even with the edit summary being that stupid). Again, the full protection may be a fleeting measure until the matter is sorted. Query about the Romanian study on the article talk page (calmly, please). If there isn't a substantive response within, say, 24 hours, I will restore your edit to the protected page. Will revdel. El_C19:51, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, the edit can be redone. I feel my suspicions of a personal bent are confirmed. BMK does not likely have a prejudice against Romania, but holds such strong acrimony toward editors with different opinions that they are willing to disparage a nation to make that point. Outing WP:TAG TEAMs tends to get messy.--Frobozz1 (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Though, honestly, I've known BMK for years and that is totally out of character for them. For whatever that's worth. In any case, I've issued them a warning at: User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken#Derision_toward_Romanian_scholarship. Beyond that, I'm sorry, but I don't know if I'll be able to find the spare time to follow up on this too intensively. Maybe. We'll see. But, again, if you query the article talk page about that Romanian study/edit and there isn't a substantive response in a day or so, I will restore your edit to the protected page. That I will follow up on, if you're interested. El_C20:30, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In consideration, you may or may not know they have been targeted many times causing two name changes, once for exposing a sockpuppet farm. It would be understandable to tend toward a general mistrust of others now. They have also entered a voluntary ban on themselves, which is noble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frobozz1 (talk • contribs)
Yes, I am aware — long (albeit interrupted) institutional memory over here. But I'll say that I am finding it quite odd how you waver from being gracious toward BMK here, to being attacky against them elsewhere soon thereafter. In any case, I've commented on your talk page about this and other problems, so best to limit that discussion there. El_C13:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Recent ping
Hey! I just saw the text on your talk page about not accepting new requests right now, so I'm sorry if my recent ping on the Talk:Zangezur Mountains page was one of those requests that you're not open to at the moment. One of the editors in the discussion pinged me and asked for help to get admin input and so I thought I'd ping you since you dealt with a dispute concerning the involved editors previously. AntonSamuel (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for the advice! So do you have the time to take a look at the discussion or should I create a report on WP:AE regarding it? The discussion is a bit messy so I'm not really sure about how I would structure the report and to be honest I wouldn't mind excusing myself from that particular discussion. AntonSamuel (talk) 14:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please take a look at the requester's edit. He is the one I complained about in the talkpage. If he is talking about what he reverted, and was reacting to my note on his talkpage (to which he did not respond - though he responded to later notes there), then it is hard to AGF.
His revert - that I complained about - added BLP violations.
When I complained about them, his approach was to ask you to protect the page? So that I could not edit it, while he could?
Doubly troubling, on top of his introduction of BLP violations.
I can't speak to the requester's reasons, but that particular dispute was unrelated to my protection. Edits such as this, for example, is what prompted me to protect the page. Anyway, you're welcome to try to convince other editors to support your position on the article talk page. Myself, I'm not really interested in getting involved further with the article at this time. You may also report BLP violations at WP:BLPN. El_C23:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did see that vandalism. It appeared to be a lone item - and unlike the complainant's edit, not a BLP violation asserting a living person did actionable things that the refs do not say. I didn't realize that we protect any article on the basis of infrequent vandalism. Is that the case? Thanks for your advice - hopefully someone will respond to my note on that page - rather than it end up languishing. 2603:7000:2143:8500:245F:81DC:F4FB:745E (talk) 23:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I wouldn't call it preemptive exactly, but that WP:AP2 page merits erring on the side of caution, I feel. There were also multiple revdels earlier in the month. El_C23:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's very slow going at BLPN. Though it has been determined that the editor whose request you acted on has indeed made BLP violations there.[13] The first two of them have been reverted. Others remain - including very bad ones, as indicated, still awaiting review. Given that the editor that asked for "protection" is the one making these terrible BLP violations, might it be perhaps rational to consider that the request was bad faith, to assist him in keeping the BLP violations in the article - as still remain the case for ones such as groping under a dress. And perhaps more good than harm will occur if protection is lifted, as the significant threat here is that of an editor who is not walled off from the article now, while those who might revert his edits are? 2603:7000:2143:8500:C198:5222:3CE2:FBCC (talk) 23:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
IP, again, this wasn't a BLP-driven protection, but an American politics one. While you, as an IP, being restricted from editing the article may be an unfortunate collateral, it isn't grounds to lifting the protection. Grounds whose basis, again, was due to different issues, including some preemptive components related to the nature of this developing story (specifically, the NY governorship). Beyond that, I doubt that one editor will continue to violate BLP for that page/person, but if they do, that would be a cause for sanctions. Anyway, if you register an account, I'm happy to confirm you immediately so that you don't need to wait the few days required — so, let me know. But I do note that waiting less than a day at BLPN isn't "very slow" or even just slow, it's a standard response time for that board. El_C03:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question
Hi, I noticed the issue at ani in the past hour that resulted in a warning for outing. I just wanted to point out that on the "outee"/ reg'd account's tp is a comment that clearly and easily leads anyone to an edit by the "outee" stating that they are also a specific ip user. Why do I bring this up? First, (jtbc), I have nothing to do with that ani, any of the user's or pages involved. I just noticed it while posting at another ani just above. I was just curious if, given that you now have this disclosure info, is that warning still justified? Did user "jb" still violate wp:outing? (I don't blame you for warning them at the time as you didn't have this info then.) The only reason I ask is because if I find a similar disclosure between an ip and a reg'd account, and I then warn them about ewlo, I wouldn't want to run afoul of outing myself. Sorry about the lengthy post. Any feedback would be appreciated. Cheers - wolf23:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned at ANI, I find it "borderline outing" to geolocate the IP of someone whom one is in dispute with, then greet them with mention of their school. I consider it creepy and uncalled for, at the very least. El_C23:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed on all points and ftr, I'm not planning on doing anything creepy like that, and this is in no way a criticism. (and why I asked here, I didn't want appear to be challenging you in the open, especially at a snake pit like ani.) I didn't know if you were aware of the disclosure, but that was what prompted me to ask, that and concern for myself, not any of any of the parties at that ani. Given such a disclosure, if I were to warn an editor for EWLO, thus making a connection between their registered account and the IP address, could I be in violation of wp:outing? Would you warn me? Thanks again - wolf00:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note that in locking the Rubin Carter page, you are leaving an edit which not only reverses a long standing edit that had already gained talk page consensus, but which removed the very notice of the talk page consensus, which I suspect, is the best possible outcome the vandal could have hoped for 69.116.78.233 (talk) 23:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you'd like to know it was delicious, although there was a last minute switch from the chips to mushrooms. It's a shame that you kept it off ANI but I understand. 90.209.118.28 (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi El C -- I saw the request for an uninvolved admin to have a look at this debacle discussion and just got done reading through it all and the relevant offshoots (I think). I saw you've taken a few administrative actions, though, so I didn't want to step on your toes if you were planning to close. Seems there's consensus at least for a topic ban; less convinced a block is going to do the trick. Conversation among other editors on the article talk page about the content dispute (insofar as there is one without him) seems like it can continue. I'm happy to dive in and close it as such, or I am happy to defer to you, or I can butt out entirely, or if you think there's a better path forward, I'm all ears. Just seems to me this has taken enough of everyone's time. Best, GoPhightins!00:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello El C. Earlier in March you enforced a Post-1992 US Politic T-Ban on me for 6 months. While patrolling new pages, I accidentally tagged a non-notable article with PROD (And still should be PROD), but I didn't read in detail and Fram messaged me on my talk page. He apparently was a canadit in an election in 2020, which made my PROD notice a violation on the T-Ban. I am sorry for that. I don't want to violate the T-Ban again so I won't link the article in question (See my talk page to see message from Fram about it). I did self-revert the PROD notice on the article since it was a T-Ban violation. Can I ask for the edits to be "swept under the rug" and become hidden edits? It was an unintentional T-Ban violation and my recent edits show that, however, I know there are users that will use that to get me in trouble well after the T-Ban expires. Thanks for the help or any advice you give about this. Elijahandskip (talk) 10:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Elijahandskip, trying to hide a minor mistake like that probably calls more attention to it than it otherwise warrants (even by virtue of this very request), but in any case, that isn't a suitable candidate for revdel. Also, this isn't some procedural ruleset game — you could have (nay, should have) linked to the article in question here, if only so I could weigh in on the actual violation. By failing to do so, you are, in fact, coming across as someone who has something to hide. Which isn't a great look. Just sayin'. El_C11:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Edit (not a revert) by a protecting admin that precedes the protection action results in no absence (diff) — 10 min interval. El_C15:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Revert (rollback) by a protecting admin that precedes the protection action results in no absence (diff) — 15 min interval. El_C16:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
RandomCanadian has given you a bonbon! Bonbons promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a bonbon, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.
Huasteca, a Mexican-based user and nationalist who mainly and frequently targets El Salvador's ethnic composition and edit these pages according to his own personal racial views, yet only apply these views in the Salvadorans pages and not the Mexican demographic pages, he neglect to answer why he makes exception to all Latin American pages except for the one's relation to El Salvador. This user makes changes in the Demographics of El Salvador as well and removes sources that don't fit his personal racial agenda despite advices to find better sources rather than going into a erasing rampage. I tried to act civil with this user but he persistently keep editing Salvadoran pages with valuable information for weeks. When confronted with reliable sources he dismiss these and begins on a edit warring rampage over and over again. When Sources are presented, he erases them out of spite. This user seems to be infatuated with race in El Salvador and seems to be bent on erasing African, Indigenous and European contributions in El Salvador. Cobaltous (talk) 02:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Cobaltous, but as the notice at the bottom of my talk page states (in large text), I am not currently accepting new requests here. Perhaps there's a noticeboard that could be of assistance...? Regards, El_C02:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Commander! I won't be lenghty. What prompted me to write you is this ([14]), but this is the premilinary ([15]). One user still did not answer me who sent the e-emails to co-odinate against me, as well I don't know their content yet, will wait still. However it's better if more administrators have insight, I am really fed up that a novice user hounding me with a bogus campaign, I have been quite patient, however the recurrent denial of basic policies, or not understading them today already reached that point that is untenable. To prevent @Ymblanter: of any concern, please also overview, or follow the events. Lying is a WP civility issue as well, which I graciously ignored to use against the novice user, better with extreme patience I tried to explain and enlight of the things with good faith, but had no success. Enough what is enough. If you have any questions just ask, very sad again, that instead of useful editing I have waste time on this :/. Have a nice day!(KIENGIR (talk) 14:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Will try to review this soonish (days rather than weeks), but certainly am too busy today, I'm afraid. El_C14:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, it's enough you know about this. The bad faith moves are continous from one direction, so events may escalate, of course not from my direction. Now you have all the clue, this issue is anyway clear. Cheers! (KIENGIR (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
I'll just state the usual, that if it becomes a matter of some urgency, a noticeboard may be the way to go, because I don't know when I'll get to this, or that if I do, how much time and energy I'll be able to devote to it. Also, I'll emphasize that off-wiki stuff is for the most part ArbCom's exclusive domain. El_C14:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but I won't waste my and other editors/admins precious time to write reports (I avoided these as far as possible), until not really necessary, it's not my style (and a sign of good faith towards editors who are acting bad faith towards me). For me it is enough for now two admins will learn the issue, so in case any further bad faith move may not mislead a steal more time from our community. About the off-wiki case, I will soon remind the user about my question, if he will not disclose at least the sender, we may mind ArbCom. I am patient, but sad like Samara in the void of eternity.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Sorry for intruding. From my experience, I can totally understand editors who become upset with KIENGIR's behaviour. At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups (starting 14:15, 22 November 2020), we were discussing whether the definition of Germans as an ethnic group is one definition among others (my view) or the main definition (their view). The discussion was continued at Talk:Germans. I was constantly asking them to give their reasons, but they constantly refused, using aggressive language. I took the case to ANI/3RR, with the result that both of us were warned not to make further reverts to the lede of Germans. --Rsk6400 (talk) 07:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rsk6400,
shame on you for your repeated attempt to mislead editors. All professional reasons were given, there was not any aggressive language, you repeatedly tried to attack with spurious claims editors who diasgreed with you, you even reported to the ANI Krakkos as possibe Nazi just because he dared to argue that Germans are an ethnic group as a principal meaning as well. Your only aim was with your reports to "solve the problem", and get editors out of your way, and you did it despite your claims and wished modifications have been though implemented even a more extensive extent as necesary, as a courtesy. However, your repeated trial of such behavior are included in the diffs, and if you wished with your intrusion to deteriorate El_C attention of the true reasons, it won't be successful, just a matter of time, since the discussions you linked contradict you. I am really sorry you increased your bad faith moves, but at least justified partially what's going on.(KIENGIR (talk) 08:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
I did not quote from you that literally, however, it is clear what kind of accusations the user sufferred incorrectly. I kindly ask you do not intrude more here, diffs were given, so we have no more to add.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Could you two please take your dispute elsewhere. I don't really wish to host it on my talk page, which isn't a noticeboard (all appearances to the contrrary notwithstanding). No follow up responses are needed. El_C14:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've just got my answer, the user won't willing to disclose the off-wiki email sender, so as per your note, we should go to ArbCom regarding this. What should I do exactly? Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Hey there. I see you have fully protected this article. While it does seem like there is too much of an edit war (although I am not justifying Random Haste's EW or use of unreliable sources inn the article), it is basically DE by returning socks of Fly787. Please see this. If you notice, these users have suddenly jumped into this article out of nowhere and have started citing many guidelines like WP:OR and WP:BURDEN. New users would generally (not always though) not know much of some guidelines esp something like WP:BURDEN. These socks have returned right after the recent block of one: Sayswalk. — LeoFrank Talk18:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
LeoFrank, sorry, but I don't know if I'll have time to follow up on this further. Even if I did find the spare time, I've protected well over a hundred pages via RfPP during the past week — it just isn't that practical for me to devote a lot of time to even a small number of these. So, barring some urgency, I gotta ration my time wisely. Regards, El_C20:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I am not contending the protection per se. In fact, it's good you have protected the page given the amount of disruption. Just informing you of the socks in case you come across another or the same article in the same situation. — LeoFrank Talk04:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cleaning up after vandals (Gerda bump)
Hi
You recently blocked Lenchmobbin (talk·contribs) for deceptive editing and poor communication, after my nomination. My quick question now is how do I most efficiently undo the damage they did? It would be a lot of work to go through all the articles and figure out what remains of their changes and what needs to be reverted, and since there are intervening edits I would have to do it all manually. Is there a quicker way with some tool or something, or do I just have to suck it up and do it the hard way? Thanks in advance for any help! Knuthove (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Another watering down of the wisdom of the tetragrammaton, damn it. History is all downhill. At least if we can trust Isaiah, the Big Chief's view was that there was 'no rest for the wicked'. As a rogue editor and traditionalist that's my take on working here (without offending Weary Dunlop 's memory).:)Nishidani (talk) 12:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That in itself is a wicked problem question, since how you take it depends on whether the stress accent goes on the first or the second syllable of wicked. Philip Roth's novels, and a million others (John Updike) often deal with male protagonists who have a wick(ed) problem, if the stress makes that word monosyllabic. Ah, I suppose, bending my mental elbow with fond memories of student weekends, I should accommodate the matter to the wisdom of my dialect: (no rest-rooms for the shickered). Cheers, pal.Nishidani (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The only connection there is with The Simulacra, which, being written by Philip Dick . . .Seriously, after Darkness at Noon, it's worth glancing at his neglected novel, Arrival and Departure. I read it too long ago to remember much but 'Statistics don't bleed' somewhere there stuck. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 13:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I've heard of it, but never gotten around to locating/reading it. Anyway, maybe we should start an Anti-Orwellian/Pro-Ninja book club? Just throwing it out there. El_C13:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno. The (Orwellian) future (apart from one's mortality at the moment of writing this:)) is already here in my twisted way of viewing this otherwise splendid world, so I tend to, with fiction, only read stuff composed prior to 2000 (BCE, would be ideal, but I never learnt Sumerian). Nishidani (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I only brace myself to avoid my trousers falling down to my ankles. You've stumbled on one of my early nicknames -Chip - the chosen monicker the brightest kid in our class (+162 IQ, but he wasn't good at football or cricket, poor bugger) devised for me. As long as your little chaps don't mind the toponi di campagna, snakes and hedgehogs that thrive on my property or come to share an evening meal with my cat, rest assured they'll get the royal carpet treatment, Devonshire tea if they bowl in too early to enjoy the abundant horse chestnuts here. I've long taken a leaf out of Archibald Belaney's book. Since I'm an ex-Mick and it's St.Pat's Day, for the record, his ophidophobic ostracism is something I put down as a black mark against the saintly blighter. As an act of ethnohistorical reparation, I have become the local snake rescuer, by the way, phoned to pick them up and remove them to safe bushland when they curl up near neighbours' doors. CheersNishidani (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nishidani, being as cultured as an aristocat isn't gonna save you from the justice of the mobmasses. So, when I say brace yourself, I'm chiefly talking about the chipmunks' tiny guillotines — i.e. takes a while before the choppy-choppy (Chinese racism connotations unintended!) is done! El_C20:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Death by a thousand comic cuts? But as an orientalist with a background in the martial arts, you should warn your chipmunks that I am a dab hand at 筷子剣道 with a swordsmanship only equaled by puss in boots, the real aristocat. I'm just a hardscrabble aristocrapNishidani (talk)
No, I didn't know how to find it. It's nice, I like it. Thanks! As for Pslams, did you not see that I did 124-150 as requested (on March 23)? 125 is good to go! No, I did not know. Congrats on like, what, the millionth FA?El_C12:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
DYK how I found it: ask google for "BWV 1", as difficult as that ;) - I wonder if you'd like the faster version that appears first better. - WOW for having done all those Hebrew psalms, - no, I missed it, and didn't you see that for many, we have them already, thanks to Yoninah? I'll do one by one. - What I saw and admired - with great sadness - was the beauty of this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why should he? You mentioned time well spent. Next time arbitration calls me I'll also not participate. Time not well spent. To my limited observation, always, sadly. - On that brighter side: I didn't count FAs, but none last year, and this one was hard. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, everyone, I will not be accepting any new requests for the immediate moment. In the meantime, enjoy the music! (Also here) El_C18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"if you remove my comments again, I will revoke your talk page access, again "
[16]I watchlisted this user because they are obviously grinding an axe, so I was not the least bit surprised to see they were blocked, but surely you are aware that per WP:BLANKING they were in fact allowed to remove those comments, and also your revert did more than just restore your comments. Please be more careful. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's isn't my understanding of appropriate behaviour of a user while blocked. I mean, I could add it to the block template, so what's the difference? Seems rather wikilawyerish. But you're the Arb, so I guess what you say goes. You do whatever you see fit with that case, Beeblebrox. I'm out. El_C15:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)
Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just checked: I'm currently at 99,771. Don't get me wrong, I love my watchlist (though many items fall through the cracks when the usual duration you set for viewing it is one hour!), but only when I have the time and/or inclination to patrol it! El_C 16:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked – for a period of one week. El_C 16:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I don't really envision returning to the usual grind in merely weeks —and I've been at semi-grind for a while now, anyway (haven't even loaded my watchlist once in, like, 3 months)— but remind me in, say, a week or so, because this week I really am trying (trying!) to take it easy, all appearances to the contrary notwithstanding. El_C 15:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
El_C 21:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Partly done — page deleted (inapprorpiate, especially retaining it for this long), but decline the second request. Those are not suitable candidates for revdel. Regards, El_C 17:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Semi-protected for a period of one week, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. But LightandDark2000, please take note of the notice of the bottom of my talk page. Unless it is a genuine emergency, please direct such requests to RfPP. Thanks and all the best, El_C 15:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Declined. El_C 04:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. El_C 23:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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