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Project information Food and drink Project‑class This page is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Food and drinkWikipedia:WikiProject Food and drinkTemplate:WikiProject Food and drinkFood and drink articles Project This page does not require a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Food and Drink task list: edit history watch purge To edit this page, select here Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Food and drink: Help bring these Top Importance articles currently B Status or below up to GA status: Agaricus bisporus (i.e. mushroom), Beef, Bread, Curry, Drink, Food, Ham and eggs, Soy sauce, Sushi, Yogurt Bring these Top Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Beer, French cuisine, Sugar Bring these High Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Apple, Burger King, Fish Participate in project-related deletion discussions. Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review WP:Trivia and WP:Handling trivia to learn how to do this. Add the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} project banner to food and drink related articles and content to help bring them to the attention of members. For a complete list of banners for WikiProject Food and drink and its child projects, select here. Provide photographs and images for Category:Wikipedia requested images of food Consider joining this project's Assessment task force. List any project ideas in this section Note: These lists are transcluded from the project's tasks pages. This project has several sandboxes, please feel free to use them to make changes and suggestions to our main page or any of the other related pages under the aegis of this project or its task forces. Sandbox  • Sandbox 1  • Sandbox 2 • Sandbox 3 • Sandbox 4 • Sandbox 5 v t e Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/WikiProject used

Requests for new articles can be posted on this talk page and also at Requested articles/Arts and entertainment § Food, drink, and nutrition.

Hi all,

It doesn't look like this page is very active, but I thought I'd give it a shot.

I have recently discovered that the page Kettle corn is completely unsourced. I'd really like to improve it. Of course, the difficulty is finding sources. Simply searching for history of kettle corn just produces a lot of companies that have blog posts about the history, with no sources.

So how can I find some better historical sources for this page? I understand that it's difficult to find the exact origin of foods, and that's fine. But I'd really like to improve the page. I don't normally work in food-related pages, so I'm a little out of my depth. Really would appreciate any advice. Apathyash (talk) 01:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apathyash, often the best way to find good information about a food item familiar to the English-speaking world is to find specialty cookbooks that focus on that item. They'll usually have forewords or first chapters that discuss the food's history and importance. —valereee (talk) 17:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can we work on improving this short article, especially its sourcing? Bearian (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC) sure thing bearian 1:32 2/2/2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahoot77 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this real?

Hi, I've been working on a page on my sandbox on Mormon foodways. I think it's almost ready to publish (I still need to write the lead though). I haven't written any food pages before. Is "Mormon foodways" okay as a title? It's not different enough from midwestern food to be its own cuisine, according to my colleague in Mormon folklore. A recent book on the subject of Utah foods called it "Utah food traditions." Right now I'm also thinking I should get rid of the "bread" section and put it under "Utah pioneers - processing". Some information on the page could be appropriate on Rocky Mountain cuisine, a page which is currently focused on the Canadian rocky mountain cuisine. What are your thoughts? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

update, you can read this page at Mormon foodways. I did work the bread section into the other sections. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It results in the page landing in Category:Pages where expansion depth is exceeded.

You can see this in this old revisionofTalk:Mascarpone, which was reverted with the next edit. The call to {{WikiProject Food and drink}} looks like this: {{WikiProject Food and drink|class=Start|importance=mid |cheese=yes}}

Even without the "shell" it has a template expansion depth of 37, which is right up against the limit of 40, as shown in the source-code view of the "old revision" link above. Search for Highest expansion depth: 37/40 to find the parser profiling data. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:13, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidwr: This is an old problem, see Template talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Archive 1#Pages where expansion depth is exceeded. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article is concise and clearly written. However, the information provided is brief and seems incomplete. The page is underdeveloped, so I suggest the following improvements:

• More information can be added to this page by adding information that is posted on their website and by updating the information already written.

• A bigger variety of sources can be looked into to add relevant and reliable information.

• The article could also use some visuals, such as the logo of the organization.

• Information needs to be added about their different services, their efforts in education, their partners, and the impact they have on society. These could be turned into additional sections, except their services which need to be added to the existing section services.

• The article includes a clear introductory sentence, but the brief description does not include the content of the article's major sections. The lead section is also too detailed.

• The limited content of the article is relevant to the topic, but not up-to-date. Some services are missing and the main structure of the organization is also not included or explained. The different services that the organization provides are briefly described, however, they could be expanded on.

• The facts in the article are backed up by secondary sources. There are sources that are no longer available, and the article contains sources such as news papers and websites which seem random.

• The article is concise and easy to read. It does not contain grammatical or spelling mistakes, and is broken down in logical sections. However, the flow of the writing is less appealing

• The article is rated as Start-Class and as Low-importance. It is part of the WikiProject Food and Drink, WikiProject Hongkong, and WikiProject Organizations. Maybe by adding it to a different WikiProject related to non-profit organizations the article will remove more attention and might get a better status.

MLPQG (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you go the talk page of the article on Jelly Babies, you will see the article is of interest to this WikiProject, but has not received a rating on its importance scale. I would have thought it would be of low importance. Rollo August (talk) 17:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone his full busy with Tom Aikens (chef), Tom Aikens (restaurant) and Draft:Tom Aikens (restaurant). He originally proposed to merge the article about the chef and the restaurant, to which I objected as both are clearly notable. Now he is mingling the two, adding a prior career of Aikens to the restaurant and adding a case about theft in the restaurant to the article about the chef. Beside that, he added a piece about what happened with the building after the restaurant closed down. To my opinion irrelevant.

The discussion at Talk:Tom Aikens#Tom Aikens (restaurant) is stalling, so more eyes needed. The Banner talk 18:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lamb and mutton

This appears at the top and does not look right. Can someone fix the top? Thank you.

Condo951795 (talk) 05:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Michael.C.Wright (talk) 05:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you but why does Pork redirect to that article when it is neither meat? Shouldn't it be removed? Condo951795 (talk) 06:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed 'Pork' from the top. Thanks! Condo951795 (talk) 08:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The full explanation for all of the above may be found in this edit, which was vandalism, pure and simple - it should simply have been reverted outright, and should not have needed three separate edits to fix. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed! Johnbod (talk) 14:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whether pullman loaf and pan loaf are separate concepts or the same thing. Could someone familiar with bread look into it, and merge if needed and clarify if not? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I believe the article on Trans Fat should be restored. I won't repeat the explanation here, if you are interested, you can find the proposal here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fat#Request_to_Split_Fat%2FTrans_Fat

Declanscottp (talk) 19:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone. I'm not a member of this project, but I do (unofficially) co-run the Wikipedia:Triple Crown award. As you'll see at that page, a specific WikiProject Food and drink Triple Crown was created (before my time), though we have yet to have any people nominate themselves or others for that award. If you have met the criteria (been a major contributor to a DYK, a good article and a piece of featured content that are all under the scope of this project, please feel free to nominate yourself for the award, and maybe you'll be the first winner. Further rules/clarification is available at the awards page. Oh and feel free to nominate yourself for a regular Triple Crown if you have achieved those milestones though for articles not under the scope of this project. Have a great day. Damien Linnane (talk) 15:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a current discussion about saturated fat consumption and its association with disease. It might be relevant for users in this WikiProject who are interested in the topic. Link to the talk-page [1] Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we have a category for these cocktails? List of IBA official cocktails —¿philoserf? (talk) 02:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Over the next week, there is going to be a work project on Okonomiyakibythe Wikipedia Discord server as part of an attempt to get Okonomiyaki to B-class and we would appreciate your help. They are trying to get all vital articles to B-class. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence of this article reads: "Vasilopita (Greek: Βασιλόπιτα, Vasilópita, lit. '(St.) Basil-pie' or 'Vassilis pie', see below) is a New Year's Day bread or cake in Greece and many other areas in eastern Europe and the Balkans which contains a hidden coin or trinket which gives good luck to the receiver, like the Western European."

This should be divided into multiple sentences. I have no idea what ".....like the Western European." is referring to. Needs to be clarified or removed.

100.2.120.116 (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

French fries, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Aircorn (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An IP editor is repeatedly deleting part of this article. Some help would be appreciated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found Prawn ball in the unsourced since 2005 listing and thought I'd take a stab at getting it up to the modern WP standards, but I'm struggling how to integrate new information when the article (and related articles) aren't very good to begin with. I've made a talk discussion at Fish ball [2] that explains the issues. I'd appreciate any comments! Cheers, Estheim (talk) 03:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This South African dish seems quite likely notable, as it's a traditional ceremonial food, but sigcov is elusive. If anyone has access to books about SA/Zulu traditional cuisine/culture, it might be helpful. Other names for this dish include inyama yentloko, iskopo, and cow's head. —valereee (talk) 16:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please come participate in the discussion. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:List of breads#Accuracy and sources - some of these are ridiculous - posted after I saw a complaint that someone had added white bread as originating in the United States. Doug Weller talk 14:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tangent to this, I've found Bread roll and Bun (and their counterparts List of bread rolls, List of buns) to be vague, and each article references the other. In Bread roll: "There are many terms for a bread roll within the United Kingdom depending on region. These names include... bun" and in Bun: "A bun is a... roll." From reading what's in the article, I'd say that "Bun" is far more encompassing and could be the target of a merge, however both are inadequately sourced. Since so many examples are in non-English, I also question the categorization, since the original language might have a special distinction that is unique from how buns/rolls are defined in English-speaking places.

I think a merge would be good, but if there's a better idea, I'm all ears. Cheers, Estheim (talk) 17:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a better term for the "Baking" category here? Otherwise, the outline seems to imply baking is a catch-all term for any method that isn't grilling or frying and includes things like steaming, pressure cooking, and infusion. 9³ (talk) 14:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Baking is certainly wrong in this context. I cannot think of an appropriate replacement yet. My first thought is move that section to the bottom of the category and call it other. —¿philoserf? (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a conflict of interest matter occurring by a company employee (in the Communications Department!) on the talk pageofBeyond Meat. Observers and editors on the watch, please. Zefr (talk) 01:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I started the merger/redirect proposal on James Morton (baker)atTalk:List of The Great British Bake Off finalists. --George Ho (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For this ongoing collaboration, I've created a couple new entries about Black-owned restaurants. Anyone interested in participating? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I noticed that the article about Pastilla contains many allegations that are not supported by historical facts, chief of which the claim that Pastilla is an Algerian dish.

One of the contributors to the article makes the unfounded claim that Pastilla was introduced into Morocco when some Algerian families emigrated to Tetouan upon the occupation of the city of Algiers in 1830 by the French. To give a semblance of credibility to his/her claim, the author put a footnote that talks about Baklawas and not about Pastilla. It has been an established fact that Pastilla is Moroccan origin.

I would highly appreciate it if you do the necessary to prevent impostors from claiming what does not belong to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamirJawhara (talk • contribs) 22:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: SamirJawhara has been edit warring, removing content without a valid explanation and persistently censoring content on the Morocco World News article. Contrary to their baseless claim, the Pastilla article is extremely well sourced. In any case, should they survive WP:AIV, they will take a trip to ANI. M.Bitton (talk) 22:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Abby here with DoorDash, hoping to find an editor willing to review a couple requests I've posted at Talk:DoorDash. I've proposed an update about the company's entry into international markets as well as an update regarding the number of employees. I've received little feedback despite using Template:Request edit. I'm not editing the article directly because of my conflict of interest, and I'm hoping a WikiProject Food and drink member might be able to review and update the page appropriately. Thanks for any help! AH at DoorDash (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I created both Canadian women and men chef subcategories. I did so after seeing that American ones exist. Now generally, parents categories should not be filled with articles that can be subcategorized. Non-diffusing category templates are seemingly redundant as well. Only specific articles that can't be subcategorized should be in the main category. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 21:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr. C.C.: please read the WP:DUPCAT guideline that says "Subcategories defined by gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexuality should almost always be non-diffusing subcategories". The two categories Category:Canadian male chefs and Category:Canadian women chefs are defined by gender and should be non-diffusing of Category:Canadian chefs by this rule.--Mvqr (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mvqr: You didn't follow that. You added, then removed Canadian chefs category from other articles. So if that's the "guideline," you're not following it. Oh and it says "almost." Take that into account. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 17:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr. C.C.: I did follow that. I added by mistake Category:Canadian chefs to articles that contained the diffusing category Category:Canadian television chefs. I then realised my mistake and corrected it for articles in the diffusing sub-category. Category:Canadian male chefs and Category:Canadian women chefs should be non-diffusing, and articles containing them should contain either Category:Canadian chefs or the diffusing sub-category Category:Canadian television chefs.--Mvqr (talk) 06:26, 6 December 2021 (UTC) Fix ping @Mr. C.C.:.--Mvqr (talk) 06:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a titling RFC at Wikipedia talk:Article titles that may affect many articles at this project. There was discussion of making the RfC handled bit by bit before all projects understood the ramifications with entertainment being singled out next in a deleted draft, and other projects after that. Whether you agree or don't agree please join in the discussion for this massive Wikipedia change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fyunck(click), I'm sorry, I'm missing seeing how this affects food articles? —valereee (talk) 17:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it won't. The RFC authors said they will be looking at entertainment and similar projects next so I thought I better let as many projects know as possible in case this matters to them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all, I've created an English version article for Niños envueltos, a cabbage roll dish from Latin America (there's an article on the Spanish wiki), but I'm having some trouble finding a photo without copyright issues. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey WikiProject members! I've drafted an expanded and updated History section for the coffee chain Dutch Bros and am having some trouble getting editors to take a look at it. I'm a Dutch Bros employee and have a COI, so I obviously can't make the proposed edits myself. I figured editors on this WikiProject might be interested in reviewing my request, which you can read through on the Dutch Bros talk page.

I would really appreciate any help I can get with this. Thanks so much! Hillaryjbrown (talk) 03:57, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I started the merger discussion on the John Whaite article, located at Talk:List of The Great British Bake Off finalists#Merge John Whaite? George Ho (talk) 23:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caffeine (data page) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

DePiep (talk) 14:07, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've created Koutoukian, which looks to me like very much a notable topic, but it's difficult to find sources as we have a transliteration issue plus multiple versions of the name. Can anyone help? valereee (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC) valereee (talk) 19:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: If you do not find a reply here, then consider contacting the Greek meta:Wikimedia Embassyatel:Βικιπαίδεια:Πρεσβεία. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Bluerasberry! valereee (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An editor at Talk:Butter cookie believes that the image here is a palmier, not a cookie at all. So do I. But are we right? If so, I'll move the file.

Doug Weller talk 09:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to agree. The image was added to the page in 2006 and is from a Flickr account which simply called them butter cookies. I would replace it in the Butter cookie article and at List of cookies with something like

which showcases the variety of butter cookies that were explicitly described in the article. 9³ (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@93: thanks. I've replaced it at both articles. Doug Weller talk 10:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

look it up on google and check the results. you'll be sure to learn about it. 71.204.113.216 (talk) 21:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly enough there are at least six separate local news sources covering the candy:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVtmMh7pVUs 4 News Now aka KXLY-TV
• https://www.kxly.com/lollipipes-not-a-hit-with-some-spokane-residents/ KXLY
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIsK92cT8Pc KOIN6
• https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Lollipipe-crackpipe-like-candy-taken-off-store-11498757.php New Haven Register
• https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/UPDATED-Patterson-demands-removal-of-candy-crack-11496897.php New Haven Register
• https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2012/03/01/oakland-county-executive-issues-warning-against-lollipipes/ Click on Detroit aka WDIV-TV
• https://abc13.com/archive/8305494/ ABC 13 aka KTRK-TV
• https://www.thenewsherald.com/2012/12/27/2012-year-in-review-march/ The News-Herald (Southgate, Michigan)

Possibly suitable for a few sentences at Candy cigarette at the very least. 9³ (talk) 05:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

You're invited to a virtual edit-a-thon related to Black women in food history hosted by the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History and National Museum of African American History and Culture. We'll be demonstrating editing articles on women chefs and food activists - Tambra Raye Stevenson, Cleora Butler, and Toni Tipton-Martin.

• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Smithsonian_AWHI/Meetup/Wiki_Focus:_Black_Women_in_Food_History_2.0

Hope to see some of you there to help edit articles and contribute to the conversation! Fuzheado | Talk 15:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What I first thought was a simple, obvious, edit has become a contended discussion here. While there is no need for you to get into the specifics of the discussion, I could use some assistance on a couple points.

1. Can anyone locate an article or article section that discusses a "medaillon"? My search has not turned up anything, but this is far from my subject of expertise. Perhaps someone here who is more familiar with these articles can help find something appropriate.
2. The anglicized spelling, "medallion", has three meanings, of which the round cut of meat is the third. If you were to create an article on this subject, what would you name it? I proposed Medallion (meat cut), but I feel it may be a bit clunky and odd. Others have proposed Medallion (cooking) and Medallion (food), but a medaillon is neither a method of cooking nor a kind of food. It's a cut of meat. Does anyone have a better suggestion for the proper disambiguator? Perhaps you have a standard term that I'm not aware of. This is out of my league, so I thought it would be good to seek the opinion of those better versed than I.

Thanks much! PoundTales (talk) 11:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]