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Restaurant groups
How should this subject be covered? There seems to be a big move to groups of restaurants that are not necessarily clones. They are often opened by a restaurateur a la Wolfgang Puck. There seems to be a wave of this type of restaurant organization of several independent and different restaurants opened under an umbrella group. Thoughts? Candleabracadabra (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
A few possible approaches, depending on the case:
When there are only a few restaurants, they can be covered in a section of the restauranteur's article, since usually the person is the notable topic, not the restaurants themselves. Wolfgang Puck is a good example of this.
When there is a parent company that is notable in its own right, the restaurants can be discussed at that article (example: Lettuce Entertain You Enterprises)
Hey all, I am thinking about putting up Sip 'n Dip Lounge for GAN. I've done quite a few GANs in the past, but mostly about people or horses, never one on a bar or restaurant-type of place, so thought I'd drop a line here to see if anyone wants to peek at the article and make any suggestions for improvement. (I usually don't do a PR until I'm heading for FAC with something). Thanks Montanabw(talk)21:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Expand new Pinard (wine) (any French-speakers or WWI fans?)
I ran across the term pinard somewhere years ago and put it on my WP "to do" list. Apparently it's a French military term for wine, kind of akin in sentiment to "grog". A previous version was deleted in 2009 per WP:NOTDICT, but I think there's enough cultural context around pinard as a concept, not just a word, to justify an article (and fr.wiki seems to quite agree). I've put together a pretty basic version just based on English sources on GoogleBooks and an image from fr:Pinard (vin). If anyone is keen on this and speaks French, I'm sure much more could be said, though the fr.wiki version as it stands is just too flowery/sentimental/inside-jokey to pass en.wiki WP:TONE standards. Just thought folks might find this an interesting article about wine culture. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
One of your project's articles has been featured
Hello, Please note that Grocery store, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by Theo's Little Botat01:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team
Food industry template
I'm not a member of this WikiProject, but I was looking for the article on the documentary film Farmland (which, amazingly, doesn't have an article yet), when I stumbled upon some other food industry documentaries, such as Fast Food Nation. I saw its extensive "See also" section, and noticed that it's essentially repeated in every article that it links to. So I thought it would be a good idea to make a template for it an include it in all the related articles. I came up with this:
I know the title of the infobox title isn't perfect, since all these articles are of the "Boo! Food industry bad! Boo!" variety, but please suggest a better title if you can think of one. Thoughts? Comments? Criticisms? — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk13:45, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Frecklefoot I like "Food industry books and films" because all items here are books and films. If you really wanted to make a "food industry criticism" template, I would expect it to contain articles like Criticism of Coca-Cola and Genetically modified food controversies. Yes, this project is underserved please put it on your watchlist if you would. There are some people around but it would be encouraging to have a few more. Blue Rasberry (talk)13:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Blue Rasberry . I like Food industry criticism because all the entries are critical of the food industry. I would just populate the books and films sections, but I wouldn't oppose other adding & populating other sections. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk13:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
If I were looking for an article on oatcakes I'd probably end up at Oatcake but what I call an oatcake we call a Staffordshire oatcake. I'm not sure this makes sense as I think the most popular understanding of an oatcake is a Staffordshire oatcake. Dougweller (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a hatnote at the top of the oatcake page. I suppose you could also add a link to the straffordshire variety in the opening paragraphs as well. But it looks okay to me having articles on both and I think it would be unusual to make the main article subject about a regional variety of a food. I do think the hatnotes at the top of pages can get lost among the smorgasbord of lazy template taggings that goes on here, but apart from adding a link in the text itself I'm not sure what else you would have us do? Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Leaflet For Food And Drink At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,
My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.
One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.
This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:
• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film
• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.
• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.
• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____
• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost
No outline - could use "History' as one subsection
There doesn't seem to be a suggested article outline for any class of food.
One section that seems to be missing is "History." For example, how did humans discover, come to cultivate, or process/prepare this food? And when? Student7 (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
So I'm thinking about moving the table at Candy#Top-selling_candies over to List of candies. This would require updating a bunch of WP:FURs, so I'd like other people (who ideally will know more about what the list is intended to contain—there's chocolate and chewing gum in the proposed addition) to tell me what they think first. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
More community and project input could be helpful at a dispute at the Cuisine of Hawaii article. Some edit warring and the content dispute could also use more opinions on what images to use.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:01, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Auricularia auricula-judae: nutritionalvalue
Would someone please fix a recent edit at Auricularia auricula-judae (diff). My guess is that the two references in the "name" field should be removed and replaced with the new reference that was added to the "source_usda" field (with the "name" and "group" items in that ref being removed). I suspect that source_usda would actually be removed because it does not make much sense to link to a search page if a ref to the actual page is provided in the ref. The box lists Calcium, Iron, Phosphorous. Why not also Magnesium, Potassium, Sodium, Selenium (which each seem to be more prevalent than Iron)? The value for "kcal" also needs to be fixed by removing "g". I would have a go at doing all that, but it would be better done by someone with a clue. Johnuniq (talk) 01:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
The article says it is an "edible delicacy", thus it would seem to fall under the food category and project, as well as other categories and projects such as gastropods. Snails are eaten as escargot for example. Candleabracadabra (talk) 11:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Sugar candy
I proposed last month re-organizing some of the candy-related articles. You can see my original plan here. As I've gotten further into the sources, though, I've found that my original plan to treat Hard candy and Sugar candy as essentially the same thing is not viable. So I have created Sugar candy as the intermediate step. The overall outline looks something like this now, if you were trying to classify a simple sugar candy like a Dum Dum Pop:
Confectionery—includes both baker's confections (pastry) and sugar confections (candy).
Candy—all sugar confections, including chewing gum, chocolates, and sugar candies.
Sugar candy—only those sugar confections that are really sugar-based (and there are a lot of them).
Hard candy, on an equal footing with a number of other categories of sugar candies, such as caramels and fudges.
My main source for Sugar candy is an industry book that contains a fair bit of technical detail. In the course of working on this, I have discovered several missing articles about sub-categories of sugar candies. Feel free to look at the list, and keep WP:DYK in mind for anything that's interesting.
Also, there is a fair bit of updating that should happen at other articles, because many older articles point to the very broad subject of Confectionery in their first sentences, and they really ought to point to Sugar candy or even one of the subtypes (like Hard candy) instead. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I have done a lot of work with WikiProject Council. My impression is that successful WikiProjects are those that have multiple established editors actively involved from the very beginning. If you don't have a couple of "wiki-friends" who are dedicated to joining you in this, then you're probably better off not creating a WikiProject. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:06, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
The articles have too much POV language and some of the sentences were a little run-on. I fixed up the leads, but be careful of the gushing language. It's okay to quote reliable sources that talk about how awesome the subject is, but we can't use such language in our own prose. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk14:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I am curious about Category:Food and drink articles needing attention to grammar, a category that includes Talk:Drinking fountain. There are no particular grammar problems on Drinking fountain, and no language or style-related maintenance tags in the article itself. I also don't see anything on the talk page that would occasion this categorization, except for {{WikiProject Food and drink}}, which puts the article in the "start" class. Am I right in guessing that all articles below a particular class are automatically classified as "needing attention to grammar"? If so, that strikes me as an odd and rather unhelpful category. It will include well written (in grammatical terms, anyway) articles that lack sources and are thus stub- or start-class just as readily as articles that could actually benefit from grammar-minded copy editing. I haven't noticed such categorization from other banners based on {{WPBannerMeta}}; I wonder how common it is. Cnilep (talk) 03:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello food experts. This old Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. It's rather promotional, but I am willing to remove any fluff if the subject is notable. Should Wikipedia have an article about this person? —Anne Delong (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Nagpur orange , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Cnilep (talk) 02:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Don't forget to tell that you started removing them from all the templates in the series after I had protested.
Most restaurant signs in Europe are similar is design. This Czech sign is clear enough to convey the purpose that this template is about restaurants. The real Dutch signs are of this type what is similar enough. How many people will recognize a) that there is a difference with Dutch signs and b) that the used sign is Czech? The Bannertalk22:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I've made a little progress on candy-related articles, and have a few notes to pass along.
Candy bar is a redirect to Chocolate bar, which is not true (candy bars can be chocolate-free). There's a WP:DYK opportunity for anyone who wants to work on that, or perhaps it would make more sense to keep it together and rename the page away from the more specific example of chocolate candy bars.
There's no information about the Combination candy bar, of which the GooGoo Cluster is the oldest example. This is a candy bar that contains more than just one kind of candy in it. I think that this information should be part of a larger article.
Looks as if Ref 2 to the Saturn Peach article needs to be deleted as its target is not relevant - as far as I can see.
Segilla (talk) 21:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC).