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• ... that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam is planned to be the first main entry since 2013 in the series Professor Layton, despite it being its developer's most popular media franchise?

But Layton's Mystery Journey, from 2017, says right at the start "It is the seventh main entry in the Professor Layton series". And the main article Professor Layton also calls it "The seventh entry in the main Layton series" and labels the new article (at DYK) "The eighth entry in the main Layton series".

And is it their "most popular media franchise?"? Well, the source used to confirm this is from 2013[1]. Inazuma Eleven had 8 million units sold by 2016, but has since had 2 new games. More importantly, while Layton was said to be at 15 million, Yo-kai Watch is another franchise of the company which has seen many releases since 2013, and our article states that it is at 17 million sold copies, plus movies, toys, ... Fram (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article seems to differentiate between "main series" games, and "spin off" games. This is a main series game, whereas the 2017 one was a spin off. Is "main entry" supposed to refer to main series? Secretlondon (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noted this on WT:DYK as a not too interesting hook that relied on a technicality, but didn't catch the popular franchise bit was outdated too. Not sold on the original hook idea either, some thinking needed (Template:Did you know nominations/Professor Layton and the New World of Steam). CMD (talk) 14:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should be well known that other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources: while Layton's Mystery Journey's states "it is the seventh main entry", this fact is not cited in the article, as far as I can tell. Would adding "then" into the hook (i.e. "its developer's then-most popular...") solve any remaining concerns? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but if your DYK hook and article don't align with our main articles on the subject, it doesn't look too good. Anyway, Gamespot says "Professor Layton and the New World of Steam is the first mainline game since 2017's Layton's Mystery Journey". Fram (talk) 14:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Putting aside what other Wikipedia articles say, this hook the first main entry since 2013 and the related text in the article the last main-series game before New World of Steam was announced was Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy (released 2013) and the last spin-off was Layton's Mystery Journey (released 2017) fails verification against the cited sources:

• From Ref #2
  • what many would refer to as another proper Professor Layton title -- "what many would refer to" does not mean "is"; the qualification in the source didn't make it into the article or the hook
  • [the previous game, "Layton's Mystery Journey"] was always going to be more of a spinoff from the main story -- doesn't mean "is a spinoff"; again, it's qualified ("always going to be more of")
• From Ref #3: The last time we heard from the puzzle-solving lad was in 2017 with Layton's Mystery Journey on the Nintendo 3DS, making this the first entry in five years and the first time Layton has appeared on the Switch. -- Ref #3 says nothing about "main" vs. "spinoff"

So it seems we took a source (ref #2) that says "what many would refer to as [the first main entry]" and used it to support "the first main entry," which is not what the source is saying. The other source (ref #3) contradicts that reading because it doesn't distinguish between "main" and "spinoff", and yet it's used as a cite for "last spin-off" in the article.

Also as Fram points out, the 2013 "most popular" source is outdated. Ref #3, dated 2023, meanwhile, says "an incredibly popular series" but not most popular.

I've edited the article to fix the above, which means these hook claims are no longer in the article. I also added a sentence (from ref #2) about the company changing its mind about whether or not it would release games on consoles internationally. And so I suggest this alternative hook (or something like it): ... that after announcing it would no longer release games on consoles outside of Japan, Level-5 switched by announcing that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam would be internationally released on Nintendo Switch? That's not really great but it's the most interesting hook I can think of for this article. Levivich (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging nom Suntooooth and reviewer SL93. Levivich (talk) 15:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly can't think of an interesting hook from the article. I think it's a bland article, but I also do not play video games or follow them. SL93 (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm generally not a fan of "Did you know ... that [company] is releasing [product]?" hooks, because it's using the main page for commercial advertising, and unfortunately there just may not be anything else to say about this game. Levivich (talk) 15:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I haven't got the free time at the moment to respond properly. I've glanced at the rest of the discussion and if the consensus is that the hook isn't supported and nothing else from the article would be suitable, I have no qualms with removing the hook and declining the article for DYK. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 16:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam features a new puzzle designer than previous entries? SL93 (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Haven't been able to check this yet, possible WP:THURSDAY issue? In monobook, the page layout is broken now, see example - with the "welcome to wikipedia" being moved, a "," on a line by itself, bad font/size as well. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno: just in case you are working on this via Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the comma break by moving the comma in to the h1 element; not seeing that causing breaks on vector or vector22. The h1 styling here seem to be the primary problem now. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be styles associated with the mw-heading1 div around that h1.. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing the same issue - it looks very ugly. Thanks for looking into this! Modest Genius ^talk 11:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The gap between Welcome to Wikipedia and "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." is too big on Monobook. The line at the top cuts off the bottom of the P. I suggest you do "Welcome to" in smaller letters at the top and then just Wikipedia in large. "Welcome" looks a bit silly being that big.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Getting these reset may be enough:

body.page-Main_Page #mw-heading1
border-bottom: none;
margin-bottom: none;
font-size: 100%;

— xaosflux ^Talk 12:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Doing... font size fix first, waiting for sync. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done font size fixed in MediaWiki:Monobook.css; margin/border to do. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Doing... border/margin - waiting for sync. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I'm not sure I love these CSS hacks though. Suggestions for improvement (here or upstream) are more than welcome. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically I'm not liking that the parser is building the ID from the content and including "," in the element id now. (That is the one thing that will affect all skins). — xaosflux ^Talk 13:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xaosflux Fixing this in Monobook.css was not appropriate (fixing it in WP:Main Page/styles.css is sufficient), nor was I believe moving the comma necessary. The relevant change is phab:T363597. It will be coming to the other skins Soon so we will need to fix it for all skins. Please remove the Monobook.css styles and revert your main page change so we can fix this correctly. Monobook being broken for a day or two is not a reason to... hack. Izno (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno looks like phab:T363597 is going to be 2 weeks out? Do you have a fix for /styles.css ready to go, in which case certainly we can pull this out of monobook.css. Also, do you know what the "breaking" change # is for reference? — xaosflux ^Talk 17:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have such a change. I'm not going to work on it until you revert yourself. It's a pain to sort things out when you're starting from the wrong state. Izno (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And no, it is definitely live in Monobook. Izno (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno OK, I've restored the broken version - we certainly shouldn't leave this broken for weeks though. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will take care of it today. :) Izno (talk) 17:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Semantically, not sure about that comma - it is floating between the header and the end of a div that encompasses the header - certainly not a big deal other than the header handling breaking it there. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is fixed. Padding/margin between the top of the box and the welcome line looks off so that needs some investigation. I'll take a look later to see if that's just my imagination.

The comma is outside for the same reason you felt gross about it being on the inside earlier, except it matters for screen readers. IDK how the comma inside would even sound but it would probably be awkward. Izno (talk) 17:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got here from T363597 – looks like this was resolved in this edit: [2]. Thanks for fixing it. Matma Rex talk 18:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]